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Old 01-09-2012, 01:33 AM   #41
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What to do to be a working and top-selling face in the business today?

answer: be a pissed off psychopath all the time that brutalizes the heels, will stomp on ANYBODY including innocent bystanders, midgets, and 80 yr old women, background music that's actually threatening

not the answer: go around waving with a smile on your face, high fiving fans, be an honorable competitor that defends the weak, help granny cross the street, background music that makes you sound like a superhero (this only worked all the way for Hogan, but Cena... kids and teenage girls only)

For the record, when Mason Ryan came out with a pissed off expression to look like he was going to help Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger, and then turn on them, goes back up the ramp with a happy cheerful smile, he fucking blew any chance for loyal fandom that night. Had he went psycho on the three faces and THEN turn on the heels and lay one of the faces ontop for a pin, he would have developed something to follow.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:49 AM   #42
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And for one more record, Cena WILL turn heel eventually simply because they have people capable of replacing him. Punk (if he can speak as radically, if not more, as he did before watering it down), Ryder, who is most likely the next big thing unless we see an unexpected highly successful turn for Dolph Ziggler. Hmmm... that's a good idea for a thread...
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Old 01-09-2012, 03:14 AM   #43
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We all remember how he came into WWE as a HEEL right??.
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It's not about finding someone to carry things on the babyface side. It's about finding someone to replace the shitload of Cena merch people buy for their kids. No one can do that right now. He is this generation's Hogan. And even if they could find someone else, they'd still be losing money on Cena as opposed to having both guys be the kid friendly, role-model face.
That's what I meant.
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We all remember how he came into WWE as a HEEL right??.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Cena debuted as a babyface. He was all "I'm going to stand up for myself! Grrr!"
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Old 01-09-2012, 03:44 AM   #46
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given the monumental rise from punk in to being the top face, imo, and the return of jericho, hopefully for awhile (you heard the constant pop he got) i can see a cena heel turn..which would suck, since i just bought my lets go cena? cena sucks shirt, lol
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Old 01-09-2012, 12:59 PM   #48
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What to do to be a working and top-selling face in the business today?

answer: be a pissed off psychopath all the time that brutalizes the heels, will stomp on ANYBODY including innocent bystanders, midgets, and 80 yr old women, background music that's actually threatening

not the answer: go around waving with a smile on your face, high fiving fans, be an honorable competitor that defends the weak, help granny cross the street, background music that makes you sound like a superhero (this only worked all the way for Hogan, but Cena... kids and teenage girls only)

For the record, when Mason Ryan came out with a pissed off expression to look like he was going to help Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger, and then turn on them, goes back up the ramp with a happy cheerful smile, he fucking blew any chance for loyal fandom that night. Had he went psycho on the three faces and THEN turn on the heels and lay one of the faces ontop for a pin, he would have developed something to follow.
you serious? i cant tell.
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Old 01-11-2012, 10:32 AM   #49
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:43 PM   #50
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:53 PM   #51
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He's not exactly saying it in a "Hey I don't care what you guys think so fuck you" manner though is he? It's much more "I'm gonna make sure I do the right thing because I'm a super nice guy, whether that makes me unpopular or not"
Which still gets him booed.

Actually, it's the heel-iest thing he could do right now, because even "go fuck yourself" would probably be more in line with what the fans want.

Cena's fine where he is and the only reason smarks want him to turn heel is so they can cheer him.
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:07 PM   #52
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Well I personally just see the face/heel definition as being on par with good guy/bad guy, hero/villain, Superman/Lex Luther, Batman/Joker etc rather than doing what the fans want or not. Cena is the ultimate good guy whether people like that or not, and that to me makes him a face and not "the biggest heel in the business" as some people like to put it, just because a section of fans boo him.

Some people might prefer The Joker to Batman and want the villains to come out on top, doesn't change who the villain and who the hero is. Some people might want Tom to catch Jerry, doesn't change the general stance of the two characters.
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:13 PM   #53
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That has nothing to do with whether or not Cena will turn, or whether I think he should or not. Just solely debating with the guys who suggest Cena is already a heel.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure Cena debuted as a babyface. He was all "I'm going to stand up for myself! Grrr!"
He wasn't a babeface, he was a heel. . He Bitch Slapped Jericho before facing Kurt Angle, and am Pretty sure Jericho back then was a face.
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Just read a Superman comic where some "teens" were anti-Superman because they thought he was lame:

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Well I personally just see the face/heel definition as being on par with good guy/bad guy, hero/villain, Superman/Lex Luther, Batman/Joker etc rather than doing what the fans want or not. Cena is the ultimate good guy whether people like that or not, and that to me makes him a face and not "the biggest heel in the business" as some people like to put it, just because a section of fans boo him.

Some people might prefer The Joker to Batman and want the villains to come out on top, doesn't change who the villain and who the hero is. Some people might want Tom to catch Jerry, doesn't change the general stance of the two characters.
Part of being a good guy in the WWE Universe is appealing to the fans. Batman doesn't have to deal with that. Though I would argue his heroic status is debatable in many incarnations, but that's really not here or there in terms of this topic. The point is, Tom and Jerry are pretty amoral at best, Batman and Joker don't have to satisfy Gotham City, and it doesn't REALLY matter if Metropolis is rooting for Superman. It does matter with John Cena, because his role is different.
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:34 PM   #57
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He wasn't a babeface, he was a heel. . He Bitch Slapped Jericho before facing Kurt Angle, and am Pretty sure Jericho back then was a face.
No

His debut was against Angle... as a face. That was his first appearance period. He then went on to feud with Jericho... who was a heel at the time.
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Remember when John Cena wrestled against Godzilla for the IC title? I can't remember if that was before or after his debut match with Angle.
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Cena isn't in any sort of "character danger" at all, and since he was reported as about 109 million to WWE last year I highly doubt he will take on any disposition changes any time soon.

This thread is made at least once a month on TPWW and it gets old. People need to open their eyes and see that Cena's character is the binding to the book of WWE.
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Large image tracking Cena's boo/cheer ratio. Don't know how it is measured.

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Large image tracking Cena's boo/cheer ratio. Don't know how it is measured.

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