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Old 06-12-2012, 07:49 PM   #41
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Only Bret has ever claimed to be the model of the perfect human being.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:13 PM   #42
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lol nobody's perfect James.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:32 PM   #43
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I've got to admit, even though I could see how everyone involved let things get way out of hand and they all could have handled the Montreal situation better, I really felt bad for Bret over the years. It was great to see him come back though and apparently heal his relationship with Vince, Shawn and everyone and get some closure, etc.

After seeing the Bret/Shawn Greatest Rivalries DVD and seeing and hearing some of his comments since his return and closure, he really does still seem bitter and angry though, at least towards Shawn, and I've lost a lot of the sympathy and respect I had for him. I mean if he's really "put it all behind" him as he claims, he sure doesn't come across that way with comments like these, regardless of whether or not he's simply responding to a repeated question or what.

Sure, maybe they can work together and socialize some at this point, but he still comes across as the guy who is bitter and pissed off, at least at Shawn, for having such a great career. It's like he believes that Shawn just got lucky and was Vince's favorite, and if it wasn't for Shawn, Bret would've been the one having the great matches and career, instead of acknowledging the great talent, work and career that Shawn had. Instead of claiming Shawn "stole" the ladder match from him (like Bret invented it, when in fact he just "stole" the idea from his time in Canada), he could've simply said that Shawn and others have had some great ladder matches over the years, and that he's proud that he got to help bring something as iconic as the ladder match into the mainstream and the WWE with Shawn before the HBK/Hall WM ladder match.
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:54 AM   #44
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Wow, some of you are just looking for a reason to hate.

Bret said that he wanted brought the idea to Vince, he taught Shawn the concept of the ladder match. The first Ladder match was at a house show between bret and shawn - it was a trial run to show vince how it works.

Bret brought the concept from Stampede Wrestling into the WWF. He introduced Shawn to it. Shawn didn't ask Bret if he could use the concept - although in black and white Shawn didn't need to ask bret as bret doesn't own a trademark or a copyright on the ladder match - he should have as it is a sign of respect and brotherhood...

That was before shawn turned into a title forfeiting cunt.
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:23 AM   #45
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Bret used to be one of my biggest favs back in the 90s but when the attitude era started to go full metal, I cheered for Austin/Taker,

The thing is Bret said he'd never step foot in wwe again,
yet my guess he was short on cash, and when Vince Called
they setteled a deal. Bret got screwed 3 times.

As you said James 1st was against HBK
2nd in wcw
But 3rd was by Vince MCmAHON AGAIN, this time over the rights to the wwf library.
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Don't know how he was a dick in the bret and shawn rivalry dvd.
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brets story has never changed over the years. Shawn sat there and had every opportunity to defend himself - sat in there in a quiet guilt stupor.
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I thought they both just told their sides of the story. Noone looked worse off for it. Both guys misunderstood one another. And Bret didn't think Shawn was a team player.
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The thing that turns me off about Bret Hart is that he always makes it seem as if everyone, everyone, was out to get him. He's been playing the role of victim for well over a decade now.
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no thats not true... He has said on the dvd that a lot of the things were both his and shawns fault. He even said everyone had a hand in Montreal.
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no thats not true... He has said on the dvd that a lot of the things were both his and shawns fault. He even said everyone had a hand in Montreal.
You don't think Bret Hart makes it seem everyone was out to get him?

You should hear him talk about his relationship with Hulk Hogan, both in the WWF in 1993 and in WCW when Bret went there.
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What's hilarious to me is that if anyone not named Bret Hart was bitching about how Hogan fucked them over, they'd at least get a sympathetic ear.

But Bret? OMGZ HEZ SEW BITTERZ!!!!!!111ONE!!!ELEVEN!!!
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That's probably because "anyone not named Bret Hart" hasn't spent the last fifteen years complaining about how the wrestling world screwed him over to anyone who'll listen.
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And Hogan.

And, apparently, the Mountie.
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agree with him or not, he has legitimate points when it comes to Vince, Hogan and Shawn and I don't recall The Mountie being mentioned in anything close to the same context

so yeah, definitely the whole wrestling world
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They really need to finish work on that sarcasm font.
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And, apparently, the Mountie.

Haha I know, right? Even The Mountie screwed Bret out of having a long, healthy Intercontinental Championship run.

All this Canadian on Canadian crime has to stop.
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They really need to finish work on that sarcasm font.
I think it's more a case of you learning when sarcasm is applicable
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I'm just always sarcastic. I figure now and then I'll get one right.
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going to just pretend that your response was "FUCK YOU, don't tell me when I can and can't use sarcasm"
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The argument that ensues from Bret v. Shawn (personally, not a match) always seems to come down to "the prison effect".

That is to say, Shawn is treated like someone who went to prison for a few years, then comes out all Jesus saved and goes from being loved because he's the bad boy to loved for being the reformed bad boy. He gets showered with adoration in spite of making a career from being a self-serving asshole.

Bret, on the other hand, is the kid that kept his nose clean, got a B average in school, and everyone rags on him that he "should have got straight As then!" He's seen as "old and bitter" because in spite of his hard work, he'd not quite gotten the recognition he felt he rightfully deserved.

A better(?) measuring stick for what I'm going for would be to compare them to the Hardy Boyz. Not counting the batshit insanity that came later, mind you, think of their prime: you have Matt, who was a decent working "company guy" who got the Chavo treatment, and you had his "charismatic" fuck-up brother who got pushed to the moon because he jumped off shit whist smearing himself in blacklight bodypaint. In a world where we're always hearing about how hard work is supposed to pay off, Matt got the rep for being a whiny bitch (like Bret) and Jeff is just automatically forgiven because he's high profile and moves merch/puts asses in seats (like Shawn). It might be the way the business works, but it's not exactly fair.

The argument about the ladder match thing is basically it went from Shawn not having a clue WTF Bret was talking about to it becoming synonymous with Shawn (until the Hardyz- this time bringing them up was unintentional.)

Bret's had an awesome career to be sure. However, he feels he could have been treated better during it. It's not as simple as water under the bridge for everyone. Being treated like shit kinda does make you a grumpy fucker, and it isn't so much about how us fans feel about him for that career. This is more about how he was treated in relation to how he feels he should have been treated.

I dont' feel like he's ever really said that he should be getting his ass kissed and sloppy blowjobs at all times, but more like if he was so good and such a valuable asset to the company, he shouldn't have gotten treated like such a bastard stepchild so much.
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(Oh, look, Bret feels Ric Flair was also sabotaging him. What a surprise).

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On Ric Flair and his matches with Ric in 1992 when Bret first became WWE champion: “Flair was a tricky guy to work with, when I worked with Ric. When he was champion we had much better matches and the moment the title got switched we seemed to screw up my match every night… I always felt it was sabotage. I actually went to Vince, cause (Flair) was leaving the company, I thought he was purposely screwing up to ruin my run. We finally got the agents and Flair in a room to try give a little better effort in the matches and at least follow the story line… He confessed his mind wasn’t into the matches and he was having some problems at home. We would go out after the big talk and have the same screwed up match as we had the night before. I think over a period of time over the next few weeks I can remember Vince coming up to me saying he didn’t think Ric Flair was doing it on purpose – that he just didn’t know hat he was doing. I kind of agreed after a while. Ric Flair, as great was and a hard worker as he was, he just tends to get lost in the ring.”

Bret Hart’s opinion on why his first WWE championship win came at a live event in Saskatoon and not on TV or PPV: “I think it must have been some kind of condition agreed to by Vince and Flair. I can’t imagine Flair saying that he didn’t want to lose on T.V or something like that- maybe it was something like that. I know Flair, upon dropping the title, gave Vince news that he was leaving and going back to WCW, at the time. So, I think it was all amicable. Vince was like probably happy to get rid of him- I think.”
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:30 PM   #69
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i cant believe jake roberts and bret never had a match..crazy
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Old 06-14-2012, 12:51 PM   #70
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Bret is a paranoid guy, I think Bret it secretly sabotaging all the members of the Hart Foundation out of paranoia.
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:38 PM   #71
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(Oh, look, Bret feels Ric Flair was also sabotaging him. What a surprise).
... Instead of quoting all that, I'll just get to my reply point.

There was a plotted point thread about the career of Hulk Hogan and how he would put himself in positions that made him look awesome and weasel out of situations that would make him look weak. Granted, people bashing Hogan is kind of the thing to do, like hating Cena and fellating the hot new thing to be on the cusp of the main event scene until they actually get to the main event scene, then they're "too mainstream/boring", but say it were Bret that put that together instead of a random TPWW poster, it somehow makes him just paranoid and bitter instead of wanting to think less of who he's mentioning.

You kind of forget, it has been talked about by others that Flair has been known to be a mark for himself. Maybe it *is* a possibility he sandbagged some matches with Bret. Ric isn't even the only person who has been said to do such things.

Again, it seems just because it's Bret Hart giving his opinion on how he percieved things happening around him during his career that he's "just making everyone out to be a villain". If this were anyone else, I'm sure you'd be more inclined to go "Wow, Flair was kind of being a dick." Just because it's Bret saying it shouldn't automatically make it catty attention seeking behavior.
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:42 PM   #72
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i cant believe jake roberts and bret never had a match..crazy
Yea..I woulda loved to have seen a heel Roberts against him. Heel Jake was short but sweet.
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:58 PM   #73
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I would imagine its hard to let go when the same person stepped on your dick,.your entire career. I also imagine is salt in the wound, now that.the same guy has changed his life and is contrite about it. Yah, he should move on, but it still hurts. Especially considering his career was ended premature.

Come to think about it. If any wrestler deserves to be bitter, its Brett Hart for sure. The guy has been through a lot.

Btw, I was at Wrestlemania 8. It still ranks as one of the top 10 nights of my life. That Piper\Hart match and Flair vs Savage were a huge deal for me. And I'm pretty sure I cried when Hogan was getting beat up.
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Old 06-14-2012, 02:02 PM   #74
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Hardly shocking considering the amount of guys who accused him of the same stuff when he booked WCW.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:51 AM   #75
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you should see ric flair on those Wrestling Roundtables -he is an outragous mark for himself.

Bret Hart is always asked about things and he answers. He isn't just going out there an bitching and moaning. Always remember he approached WWE to come back and bury the hatchet.

I guess some of you have that mob mentality - "bret Hart is whiner", "cena is horrible" etc..why? cause its the "in-thing" in the IWC.
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:46 AM   #76
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Hart's bitter. I get that.

Still had the best-looking stuff. I forgive the bitterness because of the fact that he was enormously screwed over. Not necessarily by Vince, but fate. After the screwjob happened, Bret's life went to complete shit for a number of other reasons.

He's also extremely unhappy about what happened during his run in WCW. This is actually his biggest gripe. The screwjob is the point in his life that everything started. Then he has concussions, family deaths, strokes, you name it.

Imagine being at the top of the world. Your ultimate goal is to be the best wrestler around. You're a champion, on top, but the guy you can't stand is going to take your spot. You get "screwed," and then all that shit happens.

You're gonna have a chip on your shoulder. I think if he didn't, he wouldn't even be a person.
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:40 AM   #77
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Been saying Hart's an over-rated whiner for ages now. He's never been a draw in the U.S, and was only on top in the WWF because they were going through a down period. HBK is 100000x times better.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:52 AM   #78
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Apart from he was a draw and HBK wasn't (the first time round anyway)
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Old 06-16-2012, 02:36 PM   #79
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brets story has never changed over the years. Shawn sat there and had every opportunity to defend himself - sat in there in a quiet guilt stupor.
Exactly. Try reading their books side-by-side. The first is well-written, specific about the time period, a wealth of information, a tome compared to other wrestling biographies. The second is a revisionist, semi-ghostwritten pamphlet.
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Apart from he was a draw and HBK wasn't (the first time round anyway)
And any WWF show that wasn't in the US.
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