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Old 07-10-2012, 03:44 AM   #41
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It kind of sucks for ROH, but they have really now captured much of the imagination recently, have they? Kevin Steen is usually awesome -- his stuff with El Generico and his recent run coming to mind -- but beyond that who else is there? There are no real personalities in ROH since Austin Aries left. Back in the day, you had Bryan Danielson, CM Punk and Samoa Joe go through ROH, and they each had their own vibe and something unique they brought to the promotion. Now everybody seems the same.

Charlie Haas tries his damn hardest to have a personality, and he is a really good heel. I think he and Shelton Benjamin will probably be fought over by the WWE and TNA to help rebuild either promotion's tag division. Most of the talent will probably find work in either the WWE or TNA, to be honest -- and it would suck if ROH closed their doors, since they have been a pretty decent alternative over the past few years, and their DVD library would be worth something to the WWE -- but the company has been so bland lately.

ROH should be trying to go after amazing ring talents with personality. Low Ki would be a great choice, although I'm not sure what his relationship with ROH is at the moment. Beyond that, I'm finding it hard to really think of anybody. Colt Cabana, maybe? What are Paul London and Brian Kendrick up to these days? Jimmy Yang is a great worker that knows how to talk when he needs to. Carlito could come in if he were willing, but I'm sure he enjoys working for his dad.

Signing Chris Masters would be a good move. The dude looks like a Superstar and can work -- he'd be great as Jim Cornette's choice for a new future of the company -- and something Steen can fight against. In fact, that is probably the best story ROH can go forward with -- Jim Cornette trying to turn ROH into a "sports entertainment" product, going for guys with "the look" instead of guys who can get things done. If Matt Morgan does leave TNA, he would be an obvious signing for this storyline, too.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:06 AM   #42
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:07 AM   #43
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:13 AM   #44
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Crazier idea that may not work.

A variant of the old territory system. Basically, WWE is the place you want to end up at. It be the main touring thing goes all over the US and indeed all over the globe. However, the main touring group has a smaller roster that cycles in and out to keep talent fresh. Raw be the show that features the main group, with the CM Punks, John Cenas, etc.

Smackdown, however, should be a bunch of different shows catered to a certain area of the US. Each area can have their own roster and fit their own niche. They tour their own area, build up their own stars, and have their own minor championships.

If the WWE Network ever gets off the ground, each area gets their own night of the week. WWE occasionally sends a top star down to a region to help build up a guy. Occasionally, the guys looking to move up the ranks go from area to area.

Biggest downfall to this idea is the cost. WWE would be more or less tripling their overall payroll at the very least. Biggest upside is a much larger pool of up and coming talent, easier schedules for the smaller guys, and can test them on the road. You can even use the talent pool to give the top guys time off should they need it, and keep them fresh.

Just a dumb idea, might work, but Vince wouldn't do it.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:22 AM   #45
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I like the territories idea, but I doubt it would work practically.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:13 AM   #46
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Crazier idea that may not work.

A variant of the old territory system. Basically, WWE is the place you want to end up at. It be the main touring thing goes all over the US and indeed all over the globe. However, the main touring group has a smaller roster that cycles in and out to keep talent fresh. Raw be the show that features the main group, with the CM Punks, John Cenas, etc.

Smackdown, however, should be a bunch of different shows catered to a certain area of the US. Each area can have their own roster and fit their own niche. They tour their own area, build up their own stars, and have their own minor championships.

If the WWE Network ever gets off the ground, each area gets their own night of the week. WWE occasionally sends a top star down to a region to help build up a guy. Occasionally, the guys looking to move up the ranks go from area to area.

Biggest downfall to this idea is the cost. WWE would be more or less tripling their overall payroll at the very least. Biggest upside is a much larger pool of up and coming talent, easier schedules for the smaller guys, and can test them on the road. You can even use the talent pool to give the top guys time off should they need it, and keep them fresh.
Agreed. Regarding the cost, thank goodness McMahon compensates his Superstars and Divas as if they were independent contractors...
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Old 07-11-2012, 02:17 PM   #47
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Once again: Jim Cornette is one of the WORST minds in wrestling.
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Old 07-11-2012, 02:58 PM   #48
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Then we get to watch Cornette's head explode as well!
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:07 AM   #49
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ROH needs personalities. When the second most dynamic personality in your company is Charlie Haas, there's something sadly wrong.

I guess Rhett Titus kind of has a personality. I'd like to see him become a little bitter that Jim Cornette stripped him of the ROH World Tag Team Titles just because Kenny King got into trouble, and to sort of become a renegade against the current ROH set-up. Maybe Titus could align himself with Steen & Jacobs and whoever is on their side. ROH need to take steps to removing Jim Cornette, though. Also, they need to hire Low Ki. He's one of those few guys on the independent scene that has something resembling a personality. Oh, and they should make another play for Homicide.
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Old 07-12-2012, 10:50 AM   #50
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ROH could have its wrestlers perform supercards with other indies. ROH would then make royalties from a broader base of tapes / DVDs. For example, ROH could send a few of its own to participate in the milder, non-tournament preliminary card of the CZW King of the Deathmatch Tournament (which I've read synopses of for each tournament, and that stuff is totally brutal, but the ROH folks would not be in any barbed wire or thumbtacks matches).
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Old 07-12-2012, 02:28 PM   #51
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What company has Cornette been a part of that you'd consider a "success"?

ROH has floundered
TNA did nothing
Smokey Mountain flammed out
OVW I guess, but it's top period was when Heyman was booking.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:13 PM   #52
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What company has Cornette been a part of that you'd consider a "success"?

ROH has floundered
TNA did nothing
Smokey Mountain flammed out
OVW I guess, but it's top period was when Heyman was booking.
He was part of the booking team for WWF and for early WCW.

Cornette could have done more for TNA, but wasn't paid to. Can't really blame him for that one.

I'd argue that SMW was a victim more of bad timing than anything else. There is a market for old school wrestling, it's a niche market, but it exists.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:26 PM   #53
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The WWF and WCW were terrible during his runs
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:27 PM   #54
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Cornette is too lost in his anger against anything modern to be effective these days. He needs to realize that the days of territories and slapping wrestlers because they did not perform to your standards are over. If I was Johnny Nitro, I would have slapped him back to Kentucky.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:29 PM   #55
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He slapped Santino.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:35 PM   #56
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Oh. I probably would have slapped Santino too just for what he would eventually do to the United States Championship.
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Cornette is too lost in his anger against anything modern to be effective these days. He needs to realize that the days of territories and slapping wrestlers because they did not perform to your standards are over. If I was Johnny Nitro, I would have slapped him back to Kentucky.
Like HHH said, Santino, but yeah i dont think hes a poor booker just too stuck in his ways, alot of what he says is right but he refuses to accept the days of the territories are over.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:01 PM   #59
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He was part of the booking team for WWF and for early WCW.

Not exactly helping.
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I think that RoH could get out of the hole they dug for themselves if they could snap up another high-profile WWE release to get mainstream fans excited. Haas and Benjamin, or even Maria, were a good start. They should aim for someone like Morrison, Chris Masters or Evan Bourne (The former Matt Sidal).
JoMo or Bourne. I couldn't see Chris Masters fitting into the ROH style very well. The other two definitely.
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Carlito could come in if he were willing, but I'm sure he enjoys working for his dad.
Carlito has actually been quite vocal that he would love to work some ROH shows but they're not interested in him. He probably doesnt score high enough on workrate.
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ROH are making me think they are stupid now.
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I was reading a suggestion somewhere that Spike TV considers purchasing ROH and try to turn them into a profitable little block of programming, kept separate from TNA for the most part, but crossovers can be done between the two.

Imagine Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas in TNA's tag team division, or Kurt Angle wrestling a ROH match.
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Carlito has actually been quite vocal that he would love to work some ROH shows but they're not interested in him. He probably doesnt score high enough on workrate.
He has too much personality, too.
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