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Old 03-05-2013, 11:35 AM   #41
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The bigger reality is it'd be damn foolish for the streak to end in the current hole WWE's in in terms of viewers. Not that they'd never do that for someone they like as much as Punk, but it doesn't mean it wouldn't be a bad idea. End the streak to literally the smallest audience in decades.
I think this is a great point, too. But maybe having Punk beat 'Taker would draw lots of those WM eyes to the following episode of Raw, and if Punk does something to set up a great feud (likely with Cena, or maybe with Kane as a revenge angle, but no one takes Kane seriously anymore) that night some of those eyes hang on until Extreme Rules, and suddenly your Extreme Rules buyrate is up from previous years.

But, in all likelihood, anyone breaking the streak would put so much pressure on the performer that they would NOT be able to live up to the moment of following that and becoming as big as the rub would require.

And the audience is now a fraction of what it once was. So... yeah, we'll see. As a side note, if last year's WM had the largest buuyrate ever, and we all expect this one to top it, doesn't it just feel like they're building for WM30 to be through the roof? THAT is where I could see 'Taker's streak ending, even if only for timing purposes.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:39 AM   #42
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The only thing that can end the streak is Hulkamania! Brotha!
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:11 PM   #43
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I hope Taker lasts a few more years. I'd love to see Taker vs. Sheamus and Taker vs. Ryback at mania before we finally get Taker vs. Cena.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:40 PM   #44
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Taker wins at Mania, but throw more money at Mark and get him to stick around for another month so CM Punk can get a win back at Extreme Rules, or Summerslam if you wanna go for one of the prestigious 'big 4' PPVs.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:58 PM   #45
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Taker wins at Mania, but throw more money at Mark and get him to stick around for another month so CM Punk can get a win back at Extreme Rules, or Summerslam if you wanna go for one of the prestigious 'big 4' PPVs.
I'd say the chances of Undertaker performing at Extreme Rules are somewhere between zero and none. I'd love to be wrong, but I just don't see it. And it's not about money, it's about him. He's probably got only 3 or 4 matches left in him at the most.
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Conversely, I could see them being all for it, but CM Punk being the one to say that the streak should be kept intact.
This. If I recall, Taker offered the streak to Kane and Orton and two different points, and they both declined to take it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:27 PM   #48
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:28 PM   #49
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:30 PM   #50
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Could one man beat another man in a fake sport?

Absolutely.

The reality is, he's probably not going to, just like the last few guys people thought would break the streak.

The bigger reality is it'd be damn foolish for the streak to end in the current hole WWE's in in terms of viewers. Not that they'd never do that for someone they like as much as Punk, but it doesn't mean it wouldn't be a bad idea. End the streak to literally the smallest audience in decades.

Now, I know Wrestlemania is going to be huge, and probably exceed prior mania's. But that will happen regardless of whether Punk wins the title, breaks the streak, our outpops DX. The next week, however, it's back to business as usual, and we're back to normal viewers and bragging about that streak-ending will seem awful....Small.

(This also applies to everyone else in the company)
Of course it's a fake sport. But I explained what I meant by stating Taker may offer to let Punk go over. Keep up thanks
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:33 PM   #51
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I could actually see Punk winning.

It depends on whether this is, in fact, Undertaker's last go-around, and on how Undertaker feels about Punk "in real life". If Mark likes Phil, and believes that putting him over would be great for his career and for the WWE, I'm sure he'd do it. Undertaker losing and his record going to 20-1 would not damage his legacy in any way, shape or form, but it would greatly help Punk's. Mark knows he just shows up once or twice a year, and that beating Punk (one of the hardest working men in the business) at WrestleMania isn't totally necessary, his legacy and his HOF career are already set. He's not going to become an even bigger star just by beating Punk, but Punk beating Undertaker could definitely catapult him to a whole 'nother level.

So it wouldn't shock me if it finally happens.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:37 PM   #52
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Undertaker maintains the streak, but I love the way WWE set-up the feud.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:38 PM   #53
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Fuck if HHH didn't beat Taker in the last 2 WMs why the hell would Punk win? The only way the streak ends is if Cena were to fight Taker in a future WM.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:40 PM   #54
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This. If I recall, Taker offered the streak to Kane and Orton and two different points, and they both declined to take it.
I've heard that with Kane and maybe HHH. Never Orton. I don't buy Orton. Orton back then would have probably been all "Yyyyyeah, let's do it"
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:59 PM   #55
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They should have Ryback do it. You know, someone who doesn't look like a homeless crackhead and can actually wrestle Taker and make it look believable.
LOL you said wrestle ....then you said Ryback that's the best joke youve made so far.

CM Punk could conceivably win hes one of a few people I'd be just fine with giving Taker a WM loss.


And Gertner I'm not a fat indy fan I'm 129 pounds.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:03 PM   #56
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how would that help punk, he is allready over. if they were going to end the streak it would be a young heel like cody or zigler.
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Old 03-05-2013, 06:10 PM   #57
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Punk is not winning, period.
But I would be ok with it if he did.
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:00 PM   #58
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Punk shouldn't even be on the card. Punk winning yesterday cost the company about 500,000 buys.
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:29 PM   #59
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Somehow I don't see Undertaker having enough to make it to 25-0 and I've said it before working one match a year for defending a streak makes Untertaker look weak. Then again just him being on the card will help the PPV buyrates at the same token you have to focus on making you're current talent also. Otherwise Vince and company will end up being in the same boat they several years ago having to push some new guy to main event like they did with Lesnar.
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:01 PM   #60
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"Somehow I don't see Undertaker having enough to make it to 25-0..."
LOL who's talking about 25-0?
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:15 AM   #61
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I don't think it should ever end, don't think it makes any sense to really, but if it were to end I think it would have to be someone younger, Punks said himself he doesn't think he'll be around all that much longer and if you're giving someone the rub of ending the streak it has to be somebody who can build on it for the long term, somebody with another decade or so left.

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I'm really looking forward to the promo work from Punk and Heyman selling us on the possibility that the streak will end. I've always envisioned Punk taking a "cut the theatrics" stance with Undertaker. No, not because it "breaks the fourth wall," but because being such a dick antagonist has been what Punk has always been about. Talking about The Undertaker's mortality, his body breaking down and how the last time Taker beat a guy who is still a full-time roster member was Mark Henry back at WrestleMania 23 in 2006 and the last time by pinfall was a 24-year old Randy Orton in 2005. Those sort of mind games will make this a must-see match to me.

For the past four WrestleManias, The Undertaker has been fighting babyfaces who respect him and revere the streak. CM Punk is the sort of iconoclast who could really provide that unpredictable threat to The Undertaker.
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LOL you said wrestle ....then you said Ryback that's the best joke youve made so far.

CM Punk could conceivably win hes one of a few people I'd be just fine with giving Taker a WM loss.


And Gertner I'm not a fat indy fan I'm 129 pounds.
So you're a crackhead then. Good trade-off.
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no you idiot, I hate that you think "some vanilla midget indie guy" is going to bankrupt WWE. Linda McMahon's 52347892785712385789234 failed political runs could (but likely not) bankrupt WWE. Those crappy WWE films that you probably watch on a continuous loop at home could (but likely not) bankrupt WWE. One person who held the company's top title for one of the longest reigns in a long time is not gonna bankrupt or destroy WWE. Your pathetic attempts to troll and be a racist and a disgrace to your own country and to all of humanity are sickening and you should be fucking ashamed. Your parents should also be ashamed of raising you. Go fuck yourself.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:26 PM   #69
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Gertner, you are truly a piece of shit human being.

As for the streak - it won't get broken. Carry on.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:26 AM   #70
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Ultimately its likely Taker's decision and if he wants to lose to Punk it could happen. Taker seems like a guy that would want to lose his last match to put a guy over and we don't know how many he has got left.
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:24 PM   #71
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I made mention of it in another thread, but I think it'd be cool if Undertaker came out with Paul Bearer's urn on Raw. Then it'd be an awesome heel move for CM Punk to steal the urn. Ultimately Undertaker could get the win at WrestleMania and revenge on CM Punk by pouring Paul Bearer's ashes down CM Punk's throat.
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Old 03-08-2013, 02:31 PM   #72
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Now that I've thought it through a little bit more it'd be great if Taker tried pouring the ashes down Punk's throat but when he tips the urn upside down a giant turd comes out instead, revealing that CM Punk shat in the urn.
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Old 03-08-2013, 03:30 PM   #73
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I think I have to set Gertner to ignore.

I get his deal and I've actually even laughed at some of his more insane comments before. But threads like this are just overkill - totally ruins what could be a legitimate topic of conversation because every other post I'm having to check to see if it's Gertner (it is) because it's some inane bullshit comment.

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Old 03-08-2013, 03:37 PM   #74
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To answer the question though, I don't think Punk is going to end the streak, and frankly I don't want him to end the streak. Not after such a lame kick-off to the feud and a short, month-long build up. There was a time when the streak was small enough that the idea of Randy Orton or Edge or Kane ending it seemed plausible. But after the past 4 years and his unbelievable matches at Mania, it's ballooned to a point where it might be more important than the WWE Championship. The streak might be the most prized accolade in wrestling today.

And for it to end, it has to be the culmination of a long, long storyline. It should be a moment that's built up to over a few months and when it happens it should be the ultimate climax of a long, arduous struggle. Some could argue that CM Punk's quest for respect over the past year could be that storyline, but a heel CM Punk victory over Undertaker wouldn't be that "moment." It just doesn't feel right.


So no, he won't end the streak. But it's sure to be a great match, and Punk is just good enough that I'm sure at certain points in the match we will be questioning just whether Punk can get it done or not.
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:47 PM   #75
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Now that I've thought it through a little bit more it'd be great if Taker tried pouring the ashes down Punk's throat but when he tips the urn upside down a giant turd comes out instead, revealing that CM Punk shat in the urn.
Then 3MB come out and save Punk. When they've got Undertaker beaten down Jinder Mahal pulls out a bag from his trunks. At first everyone thinks it's a huge bag of pot, but upon further inspection HE'S GOT THE ASHES!. Team Hell No come out and try to make the save for Kane's father but before they can hit the ring they're taken out by The Shield. Dean Ambrose grabs the mic and says he told everybody justice would be served. Now? The Shield's joining up with the terroristic mind that is Jinder Mahal. Dean, Punk, and Jinder then lead an Al Queda like stable. They pour the ashes of Paul Bearer in the middle of the ring and piss on them. 3MB, The Shield, Punk, and Heyman then dance in the ring with filled with an empty urn, a giant turd, and piss soaked ashes as they close out the show with the ULTIMATE wrestlemania moment.
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I think it's all up to Taker. I think this maybe Mark's last year and I know that's been talked about for years but Taker is almost like Hogan when it comes to his body's health. Though I don't like the Idea of the streak ending, I do understand if Taker wants to retire with having put someone over like Punk with ending the streak.
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Old 03-08-2013, 10:43 PM   #77
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Taker should of left it at the last WM. Was one helluva way to go out, also, nice round number.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:09 PM   #78
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It seems as though I'm gonna have to make my own thread some time tomorrow about this storyline I have for Paul Bearer's ashes since it's getting so much positive feedback.
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I could see Taker getting into the mindset that the best way for the Dead Man to go down is with a loss. Possibly in a casket match. There is no result in the ring that could destroy his legacy...if you're going out, go out with a bang.
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