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Old 05-16-2013, 02:34 PM   #41
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Thinking about this makes me really wish they moved that Elimination Chamber PPV to any other month.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:45 PM   #42
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Or throw it on Cena and see it main event stuff.
To be fair, Cena could make the Hardcore Title or Europen Title Main Event stuff if it were around his waist.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:30 PM   #43
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Back during the days of HHH, Eddie, and JBL's runs, yes, it was very legit.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:33 PM   #44
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Thinking about this makes me really wish they moved that Elimination Chamber PPV to any other month.
I've thought ever since they put it there, that it is wasted in that month. They are already committed to their Mania plans by then, making it seem almost "filler".

It was more exciting in the summer, where you actually had six guys who seemed to "legit" have a chance.
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We had a brand split though then fignuts
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Back during the days of HHH, Eddie, and JBL's runs, yes, it was very legit.
Eddie and JBL were WWE Champions.
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They were WWE Champions on SmackDown, though. The World Heavyweight Title was being defended in the main event of WrestleMania those years.

I'm of the belief that the brand split can be saved. If they established respective rosters and stuck to it, they could have the WWE Title at the top of one show and the World Heavyweight Title at the top of another. Then you can have the US Title and IC Title as respective stepping stone belts on each brand. With Kassius Ohno, Richie Steamboat, Bo Dallas (whether you like it or not), Bray Wyatt, The Family, Paige, Emma, Adrian Neville, Evan Bourne, Hunico, Camacho, Brad Maddox, Leo Kruger, Conor O'Brian, Rick Victor and Corey Graves as solid talent that is either on yet to debut or currently inactive, you've got plenty of mid-card talent to fill out roles on RAW and SmackDown. If you bring back some mid-card guys from the past, like John Morrison and MVP (both of whom have said that they are fairly open to returning), there's plenty of potential for two deep rosters.

If the WWE is absolutely against the idea of two rosters, then I think it makes absolutely no sense to have two World Titles active. If you're not the overall champion of something, why keep it around? For the meantime, I think there could be a way to sustain both titles, as long as they had Superstars actually go out of their way to express their interest in being the World Heavyweight Champion specifically. For example, Alberto Del Rio set his sights on the World Heavyweight Title when he initially debuted in the WWE -- calling it his "destiny" to win it -- so he is one guy that should always be going after that belt. The Miz has never been World Heavyweight Champion before, and that would complete his Grand Slam. He is another guy that could set his sights specifically to being WHC. Mark Henry, given his pride in his strength and power could consider himself the heavyweight, and thus the World Heavyweight Title might fit his persona more than the WWE Championship.

They could also have those big name part-timers they have go after the belt. The Rock winning the World Heavyweight Title and dropping it off to someone would be pretty huge. Brock Lesnar would also make a fairly amazing World Heavyweight Champ.
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I've been entertaining the idea of Brock Lesnar as World Heavyweight Champion ever since the WWE HQ segment.
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I actually wanted to see it before then. Just because Brock Lesnar as WWE Champion and appearing only sporadically would be a bit too reminiscent of The Rock's reign. As World Heavyweight Champion, though, Brock would actually be raising the prestige of the championship. Plus, Lesnar has never been WHC before, and having a replica of the big gold belt might be a cool thank you for him coming back.
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They were WWE Champions on SmackDown, though. The World Heavyweight Title was being defended in the main event of WrestleMania those years.
My balls would like to point out that Angle/Lesnar main-evented WM19 from Smackdown while HHH/Booker T made a pretty mediocre spectacle mid-show from Raw.
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My balls would like to point out that Angle/Lesnar main-evented WM19 from Smackdown while HHH/Booker T made a pretty mediocre spectacle mid-show from Raw.
Yes, they did. But in the Eddie Guerrero/JBL era, the World Heavyweight Title headlined WrestleMania XX and WrestleMania 21. Both championships were seen as legitimate "World Titles."
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Old 05-17-2013, 03:12 AM   #52
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I remember when they ditched the European, Hardcore and Light Heavyweight titles because they had too many belts floating around...

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US and IC titles aren't even defended at PPVs on a regular basis. Trying to remember the last time I cared about a feud surrounding either belt other than "Yah it'd be cool for Barrett to have it I guess."


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Even with those belts though, they served a purpose. The European title was the lower-midcard title for a while (Kinda what the TV Title was in it's early days in WCW) and the Hardcore and Cruiserweight titles serve the purpose of being the main prize of specific divisions.

I'd be all for them bringing back the Cruiserweight title for guys like Justin Gabriel and Tyson Kidd to fight over since they're really just on the roster to put on exciting matches on Superstars and don't realistically have the main title as a potential goal. Give them something to strive for and feud over.

I don't care how many belts they have as long as they all serve a real purpose.
And that's the thing; it all depends on the set up scene.

I'm the guy who thinks people oversimplify "just consolidate the titles back to Undisputed" in the same way they see "Cena going heel = instant give a fuck", but even I see that right now (and that's the catch: THIS MOMENT IN HISTORY) that one belt would make more sense. It's not simply because there should only be one guy, it's because WWE let the two champion system stagnate to where people constantly bitch that there should only be one guy.

All of those second/third/tertiary tier championships mentioned that have since been unified and/or fallen off the earth all filled a role in the landscape at one point in time. For example, the Light Heavyweight stuff was pretty awesome when there was an abundance of small guys to jump around and compete for it. It wasn't so awesome when you just had Shane Helms and... uh... yeah, everyone else is a heavyweight.

Even the Pink Piss-break Championship meant more when there were actually multiple women who could at least halfway wrestle AND were cute enough to hold attention on their own, as opposed to now where "every girl gets a turn" and how hot they are supercedes any type of need to even HAVE a Divas division where the arm charms have random clusterfuck matches and only one "serious" contender for the title at a time. At this point, they could pretty much just be valets, and nobody would give a damn because just about all of them are valets anyhow.

Part of the problem on the world champion front is, and has always been, focus. And that focus is RAW. For the better part of the last decade or so, they've used a good chunk of Smackdown to tell us what happened on RAW. They spend a good chunk of RAW telling us what happened on RAW the previous week. They spend a good chunk of RAW telling us what JUST HAPPENED on the same episode at the top of the show, a segment ago, a commercial break ago! People get really over? Ship 'em to RAW. RAW is important, and if you're not on RAW, you don't matter. For as much as they were supposed to be legitimizing the WHC by having "another brand", they've offhandedly continued to drill home that that brand shouldn't matter to their audience. Then they pretty much called the split dead, all but calling Smackdown insignificant. They've continued defeat the entire purpose of a second world champion at every turn.

Unless they do something to change that culture (like the examples of Brock or Cena or 'Taker winning it for spotlight purposes), I concede that they should just lump them both together. Not because it's a knee-jerk reaction, but because they don't currently foster the climate to sustain to supposedly equal world champions in much the same way as not having legit and numerous tag teams killed the tag division.
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No idea why people complain about the current setup. It is the same thing as the WWE Belt/IC/European/Lightweight or whatever system WCW had. These titles have different names and that is it. The only grip I can see is having a title named World Heavyweight Champion but that is minor to me.
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Ruien has a good point. It's just a stupid naming system. Also, I often can't work out whether the WWE cares more about the IC or US Title.
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If the WWE refused to go back to two distinguished rosters, I would like to see a title scheme that looks likes this:

WWE World Heavyweight Champion
Intercontinental Champion
WWE World Tag Team Champions
Divas Champion
WWE 15 Champion

The WWE 15 Championship would be the concept FCW used where championship matches go for fifteen minutes and the winner is the guy who scores the most falls within that time limit. It'd be a championship that would stand out from the others, the matches would be different, you'd be guaranteed a pretty well-worked match on whatever show the title is being defended on, and it allows guys to showcase themselves in that position.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:40 PM   #56
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No idea why people complain about the current setup. It is the same thing as the WWE Belt/IC/European/Lightweight or whatever system WCW had. These titles have different names and that is it. The only grip I can see is having a title named World Heavyweight Champion but that is minor to me.
It's not the same thing though. Like I said earlier, in WCW's system, every belt had a reason/identity. With the WWE's old title setup, every belt had an reason/identity. Not to mention the fact that WWE is currently awful at building up more than 2 titles. Assuming they stay this inept, I'd even say "fuck it" and ONLY have a World and WWE title. Then you could at least say "This is the top title, this is the 'not yet at that level' title." There you go. Identity.
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That is a very good point, wwf-fan.
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I'm actually really nostalgic for the roster split.
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If the WWE refused to go back to two distinguished rosters, I would like to see a title scheme that looks likes this:

WWE World Heavyweight Champion
Intercontinental Champion
WWE World Tag Team Champions
Divas Champion
WWE 15 Champion

The WWE 15 Championship would be the concept FCW used where championship matches go for fifteen minutes and the winner is the guy who scores the most falls within that time limit. It'd be a championship that would stand out from the others, the matches would be different, you'd be guaranteed a pretty well-worked match on whatever show the title is being defended on, and it allows guys to showcase themselves in that position.
The 15 Championship will just show how boring/stale most of the rosters is when they can't show anything decent in 15 minutes.
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Divas Champion
WWE Television Champion (defended on every raw)
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