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Old 08-04-2013, 02:10 PM   #41
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I've thought this for years, and I am probably wrong, but I think Cena will cheat or something to end The Streak and turn heel. It will be an insane moment. It could be what Austin's heel turn could have been. Plus, I think it could give Cena the same shot in the arm it gave Hogan's career. He could be a heel for 5-6 years, and eventually turn back to a babyface to finish out his career.
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Cena turning heel and ending the streak at the same time is like combining wrestling's two possible biggest moments into one mindblowing package.
He should cheat, but get the win via legitimate move. Ending the streak with something as simple as a illegal object or whatever is waaaaay too WCW of a move.

Turn Cena half-way through the match, almost get the win and then have the rest of the match be Undertaker beating the living shit out of Cena with the entire audience (including children) cheering him on. Then, have him kick out of a Tombstone and take him out like Triple H took out Foley in the retirement match.

Edit: I think they planned the fall through the cell here.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:17 PM   #42
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He should cheat, but get the win via legitimate move. Ending the streak with something as simple as a illegal object or whatever is waaaaay too WCW of a move.

Turn Cena half-way through the match, almost get the win and then have the rest of the match be Undertaker beating the living shit out of Cena with the entire audience (including children) cheering him on. Then, have him kick out of a Tombstone and take him out like Triple H took out Foley in the retirement match.

Edit: I think they planned the fall through the cell here.
I was thinking of the Rock/Austin finish from WM17. Undertaker kicks out of the AA for a 3rd time and Cena loses his shit and just beats the ever loving shit out of him with a chair. It is going to take something very drastic to get the kids to boo Cena.
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I was thinking of the Rock/Austin finish from WM17. Undertaker kicks out of the AA for a 3rd time and Cena loses his shit and just beats the ever loving shit out of him with a chair. It is going to take something very drastic to get the kids to boo Cena.
Well, they could do that mid-way through, 15 minute point Cena can't hit the AA and can't make Undertaker tap so he brings in a chain, table, chair etc. goes to work on Taker, we think it's over, Undertake kicks out and makes a comeback.

Then we see Cena after barely surviving the beating pull out a victory. No handshake afterwards. Kind of like Cena VS. Lesnar.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:28 PM   #44
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Well, they could do that mid-way through, 15 minute point Cena can't hit the AA and can't make Undertaker tap so he brings in a chain, table, chair etc. goes to work on Taker, we think it's over, Undertake kicks out and makes a comeback.

Then we see Cena after barely surviving the beating pull out a victory. No handshake afterwards. Kind of like Cena VS. Lesnar.
I don't think that'd be drastic enough to turn Cena heel, and he might even get cheers for making such an epic comeback.
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Undertaker kicks out of the AA for a 3rd time and Cena loses his shit and just beats the ever loving shit out of him with a chair.
Triple H already did it.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:37 PM   #46
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Triple H already did it.
Not like Austin did to The Rock though. Uncle Paul did use the shit out of that chair though.
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Matt Hardy should have ended the streak.
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Old 08-04-2013, 02:39 PM   #48
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That's certainly one way to do it. However, then it's all about the turn and not about the Undertaker's final match.

I don't know how hard it's going to be to get the entire audience to turn on Cena, honestly. They nearly did it for the Rock and Cena was about as babyface as he could be through that entire ordeal.

Real question here: will kids care if Cena turns heel when he does his "make-a-wish" visits?
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Old 08-04-2013, 05:03 PM   #50
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No. All of the wrestlers do Make-A-Wish things. They'll just ask to see Punk or Sheamus more instead of Cena. You don't make business decisions based on kids who will probably be dead before they can order a PPV on their own.
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Old 08-04-2013, 05:41 PM   #51
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The streak will never end, the business the streak generates is far too great, to have any superstar, and I use the word superstar very loosely regarding the characters in the WWE right now.

No up and comer is hot enough to deserve the honor and let's be honest, if HHH wasn't booked to break the streak, it isn't going to happen
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Old 08-04-2013, 05:47 PM   #52
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What business is WWE gonna stop generating if the streak ends?
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Suppose it goes to 25-0, which I assume it will. T-Shirts, DVDs ect...

Money, it's all about the money.
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Old 08-04-2013, 06:12 PM   #54
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Suppose it goes to 25-0, which I assume it will. T-Shirts, DVDs ect...

Money, it's all about the money.
You mean the shirts and DVDs that have already been sold? And tickets to the one show a year he wrestles at that will sell out either way?

Good points. Lots of money to be made that doesn't exist.
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And even if they were gonna make money of shirts, DVDs and such...

Once he loses, put the number of matches he's won - 0 at the end.

... Like I said, the streak ending does not mean the streak never happened. They can still promote his 2_-0 streak forever.
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Old 08-04-2013, 06:24 PM   #56
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Joe DiMaggio didn't get a hit in his 57th game during 56 game streak.

Doesn't mean 56 straight isn't a mythical and amazing sports number that people still go to Cooperstown to see the 56th game ball.
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Old 08-04-2013, 06:25 PM   #57
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No. All of the wrestlers do Make-A-Wish things. They'll just ask to see Punk or Sheamus more instead of Cena. You don't make business decisions based on kids who will probably be dead before they can order a PPV on their own.
So very, very cynical but very, very true!
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Old 08-04-2013, 06:33 PM   #58
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You mean the shirts and DVDs that have already been sold? And tickets to the one show a year he wrestles at that will sell out either way?

Good points. Lots of money to be made that doesn't exist.
No I mean the new shirts and DVDs that will be released once he reaches 25-0. Why stop the money making machine? Doesn't make any sense.
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Old 08-04-2013, 07:01 PM   #59
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Thing is, The Streak will end one way or another. The only thing to debate is whether you let Mark Calloway go into retirement with an undefeated streak of Mania matches or do you have him give somebody the biggest rub of all time on his way out?

So by all means drag it out to 25-0, sell your merch then have him lose/retire at 25-1 (and repackage the DVD to include the match with the biggest moment in Mania history.)
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Think of all the money to be made on the guy who ends the streak, if you want to go that route.
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So lets say, (you fill in the blank) beats Taker, than all of a sudden decides to take a hit of a joint and gets thrown in jail. You've wasted the opportunity to sell thousands of dollars (if not more) on 25-0 merchandise on a guy that just threw it al away.

That's just an example of coarse, that's not gaurenteed to happen to the guy that beats him, but why risk it? It is Taker's legacy, and it shouldn't be risked.
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So lets say, (you fill in the blank) beats Taker, than all of a sudden decides to take a hit of a joint and gets thrown in jail. You've wasted the opportunity to sell thousands of dollars (if not more) on 25-0 merchandise on a guy that just threw it al away.
Don't be silly... Jack Swagger would never be the guy who ends the streak!
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So lets say, (you fill in the blank) beats Taker, than all of a sudden decides to take a hit of a joint and gets thrown in jail. You've wasted the opportunity to sell thousands of dollars (if not more) on 25-0 merchandise on a guy that just threw it al away.

That's just an example of coarse, that's not gaurenteed to happen to the guy that beats him, but why risk it? It is Taker's legacy, and it shouldn't be risked.
Better not push anyone, ever then.
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So lets say, (you fill in the blank) beats Taker, than all of a sudden decides to take a hit of a joint and gets thrown in jail. You've wasted the opportunity to sell thousands of dollars (if not more) on 25-0 merchandise on a guy that just threw it al away.
You're not risking selling any merchandise.

Taker has to retire at some point. When he's wrestled his last match, you release a DVD of his 25-0 streak or whatever it is. It still happened. Even if he lost his 26th, he still went 25-0, it's the greatest streak in wrestling history and you don't lose a shitload of money because he didn't win the 26th match.

Like Hanso said earlier, Dimaggio's hitting streak is not fucked up because it ended. It was a monumental streak. Just like Taker's will go down as NO MATTER WHAT. No one is gonna say "Aww, fuck. Not gonna buy that DVD commemorating Taker's 25-0 streak because it ended."

If you wanna worry about someone throwing their career away after taking the streak, okay... you gonna worry about that every time you push someone? If you are, give it to a guy who's already established that you trust (which I actually kinda want them to do anyway). You make money off the fact that you just produced maybe the biggest moment in wrestling history.
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I'm a firm believer that the streak should end. As far as my dream opponents go for The Undertaker, here are mine for WrestleMania XXX:

1. Daniel Bryan

This is not me just being a total smark. Think about it: The Undertaker is respected enough to have a say in who his WrestleMania opponent is. He's worked with Daniel Bryan and has no doubt seen the tear he has gone on. Bryan would be able to work well with Taker, have another classic match and I'm sure Taker appreciates his MMA-influenced style. Plus, there's the added story of The Undertaker retiring Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania XXVI, and HBK being the guy who initially trained Bryan. Shawn Michaels appearing in the corner of Bryan, or even being the Special Guest Referee would be pretty epic.

2. John Cena

It would be a huge match. It'd be bigger if they had kept Cena strong at WrestleMania and he had a streak of his own, but Cena is the franchise and beating The Undertaker at WrestleMania would blow people's minds. Cena turning heel to do so would be absolutely incredible, as many have suggested.

3. Bray Wyatt

It's not insane, given that Wyatt is such a young member of the roster. If The Undertaker enjoys his character, he may request to work with Wyatt and give him the rub by being one of Taker's WrestleMania opponents. Could you imagine a story where Wyatt looks like he is going to fight The Undertaker fairly, but then has his Wyatt Family hit the ring causing the DQ by attacking Bray himself. Ultimate heel move. Triple H could then come out, use his authority to restart the match as No Disqualifcation and No Countouts, because the streak is not ending like that. The Wyatt Family can then brawl with The Undertaker and Triple H. You then have Kane (who could potentially be a Wyatt Family member at this time) hit the ring and clear the ring of everybody not Bray Wyatt or The Undertaker. They can then do a spot where Kane has to choose his new leader or his brother. Depending on the moment you want to create, you could go either way -- Kane Chokeslamming Wyatt and helping The Undertaker keep his streak alive would be pretty huge; but Kane could also be the one responsible for the streak being broken and helping Wyatt win in a shocking moment. Wyatt would be a huge star after that, but the history between The Undertaker and Kane also comes up.

4. Dean Ambrose

He's got issues with The Undertaker. You'd think if Undertaker were to return to the WWE, his first opponents would be The Shield. Maybe he even teams with Daniel Bryan against them heading into WrestleMania? But what if Dean Ambrose were The Undertaker's opponent. Ambrose has got some pretty great ring skills, of which The Undertaker is probably well aware, and he can cut a promo. Ambrose taking on a more unstable character as WrestleMania approaches could create an intriguing villain in the young man, who would no doubt get a massive rub out of just hanging with Taker, let alone beating him. Imagine an ending like the Hart/Austin I Quit Match where Ambrose doesn't tap-out to the Hell's Gate, but rather passes out, leaving Taker with what feels like a hollow victory over the young gamer.
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Can't agree with the logic that 'if you do not want to risk wasting the ending of a streak on someone you should not risk pushing anyone ever'... The streak is bigger than any other title at Wrestlemania each year; the match itself is single biggest of the year. While Undertaker is a guaranteed hall of famer regardless of the streak, the Streak is the Undertaker at this point and as others have said, there are many benefits of keeping the streak in tact monetarily and intangibly/sentimentally.
Thus the consequences of blowing the ending of the streak are many orders of magnitude greater than having a wrestler blow a push and the logic outlined above does not make sense to me: just because you're happy to blow $50 on a bet does not mean you are happy to blow $1,000,000 on the exact same bet.

For these reasons the only candidate I can see for ending the streak is John Cena.
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Why, exactly?

Sure it's a big feat to accomplish, and definitely becomes a footnote on the person's Wikipedia page, but it's not exactly like Undertaker is the face of the company right now. It's not exactly a "passing of the torch", in the sense that say, beating John Cena at Wrestlemania (for a normal mid/upper-card wrestler, not The Rock) would be.

I think there's been far too much emphasis on the importance of the streak. In a vacuum it is certainly an important storyline, but it only has so much legs. After a wrestler beats 'Taker for the streak, how is that angle supposed to carry him in later feuds?

"Hey Dolph Ziggler! I ended Undertaker's streak, now I'm going to... wrestle you!"

I just don't think it's as important as a lot of people seem to think it is, in terms of getting someone over.
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It'd be as important as Jericho being billed as the "First Undisputed Champion" or Patterson being the "First IC Champion". Definitely more important than half of the roster being multiple-time World Champions. Numerous people can be World Champion/Rumble winner/Mr Money In The Bank/King of the Ring/etc, only one man can ever be the first to beat Taker at Mania.
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I agree with XL and road doggy dogg's assessment on the situation. It'd be huge, and the guy who does it would probably be made WWE Champion as early as Extreme Rules (or at least given a build to SummerSlam), but I don't think it's the career-crusher that people think it is. If it doesn't get a guy instantly over, it'll just be there as something to brag about when they do decide to push the guy again.

Remember when Drew McIntyre was Vince McMahon's "Chosen One?" Yeah.
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I do think a "reliable company guy" like Cena should be the guy who ends it but not because of this fear that someone will get the streak and then not go on to be a star. I think it's more about the moment than trying to use the streak to put someone over.

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Like I've been saying... no idea why people have this idea that the streak ending is throwing money out the window. And if there is some sentimental reason to keep it, should that trump the entertainment value provided by making a new "Hogan slams Andre" type moment? Especially since the sentimental value for Taker probably amounts to shit. I'm sure the guy would fucking jump at the chance to not only retire having had the greatest streak in wrestling history (which again, will have still existed and will still spawn DVDs and make the company money anyway) but also to have used that streak to provide one of the greatest moments in wrestling history.
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When the streak is over, the mystique of The Undertaker can relax a little, and he can provide some backstage insight into his matches in a re-released version of all his WrestleMania matches. Wouldn't it be great to hear about The Undertaker's thoughts about going against Giant Gonzales or A-Train and Big Show at the same time? Or how he prepared for Shawn Michaels?

Arguably, you can make more money by breaking the streak.
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Taker is right near the top of people I'd like to see give their non-kayfabe insight either in a book or DVD.
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Could you imagine if someone like Dean Ambrose ended the streak and was gloating about retiring The Undertaker on RAW, but then he came out and was like "Bitch, I don't end with the streak. I'm still around to kick your ass," and Ambrose just shits himself.
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There's too much risk ending the streak with some newcomer who may or may not get over, so the guy to end it should be somebody established like Punk or Cena. Punk could have a rematch with Taker at Mania and make it 2/3 falls or last man standing and make it a picture perfect finish. It's not like Taker has much left in the tank. The time is coming soon.I would've loved to see it with Austin because they could create real magic in the ring and had a series of matches through 1998-99. If Austin beat Taker in last man standing match at Wrestlemania 18 or 19, that would be legit.
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Realistically, at this point, the ONLY person that I would have end the streak is John Cena.

Lance Storm's scenario is awesome however.
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I hope he faces Lesnar this year, then Cena or DB, I'd like to see Cena lose and then DB get a chance the next year. Maybe if Taker sticks around for a few more years you could let him face Ambrose or Sheamus or The Rock or even Ziggler before he got to Cena and DB, but those last two are the money matches, after Lesnar of course.
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What if Kane ended it? Kane has a long history being Taker's brother and he's been floating in and out of the main event scene. What better competition than your own flesh and blood? They could do it Hell in a Cell with the WWE title on the line. You wouldn't pass the torch, but you might settle a long standing feud.
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I remember there were rumblings some time ago that Taker wanted Kane to be the one to end the Streak, but Kane said no. Frankly, that's probably for the best, since Kane's on the tail end of his career as well, and something that big should be given to someone who can use the most out of it.
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I'm still all for Daniel Bryan ending the streak.
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What if Kane ended it? Kane has a long history being Taker's brother and he's been floating in and out of the main event scene. What better competition than your own flesh and blood? They could do it Hell in a Cell with the WWE title on the line. You wouldn't pass the torch, but you might settle a long standing feud.
This would be awful. They had one of the worst hell in a cell matches ever in 2010.
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