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Old 08-24-2013, 04:27 PM   #41
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Old 08-24-2013, 10:57 PM   #42
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The E will be in great hands with Triple H.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:08 PM   #43
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There have been times where the WWE has put Triple H over at times when I don't think they should have. Sometimes I can understand why they did it. WrestleMania XIX was their first brand-split WrestleMania and they wanted the title change moment in the main event and had never tried the "two new World Champions in one night" thing. I think there should have been a screwier finish to protect Booker T, but I understand their desire to keep the World Title on Triple H at this point.

I can understand why they put Triple H over Lesnar at WrestleMania this year. In some ways it adds to the mystique of The Undertaker's streak, since the guy who lost to him two years in a row can beat Lesnar at the event.

Triple H beating Randy Orton at WrestleMania XXV actually made a little sense too. Triple H was the babyface in the feud and people like to see the good guy beat the bad guy. Orton going over would have allowed him to get a good run as a heel champion started, and from that a new star could have been made by beating him.

Unforgiven 2004 still baffles me though. The whole booking of Randy Orton at this time baffles me actually. The fans were rabid to see Randy Orton beat Chris Benoit in Toronto. It was the right time to do the switch. The face run for Orton was kind of shitty, though. He spent most of his time running away from Evolution from memory. I still think that the best two ways to go with Orton in 2004 were the following:

1) Randy Orton hands the World Title back to Triple H when he was asked to. Everyone wanted to see an RKO on Triple H, but Orton's respect for Triple H and Ric Flair and dependency on Evolution would lead to him being obedient and not falling out with the group. Chris Benoit would take issue with Orton just handing the title to Triple H. Benoit was never a great talker, but I'm sure he could have put a promo together about how he worked for so many years to be World Heavyweight Champion, Orton becomes the youngest ever and then just hands it to Triple H?

This would lead to Orton wrestling Benoit a couple more times while Triple H feuded with other guys over the World Title he never earned. Eventually, more and more people start telling Orton that he should be the man in WWE, not Triple H. Orton would then win the 2005 Royal Rumble and then set his sights on Triple H and the World Heavyweight Championship.

2) By becoming World Heavyweight Champion, Randy Orton proves that the future is now, and Evolution turns on Triple H, who is now "past it" as far as they are concerned. Orton would be the young, cocky heel and the story heading into WrestleMania 21 would have been Triple H's search for redemption.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:50 PM   #44
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Yeah thats all fucking garbage noid.
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Old 08-25-2013, 08:56 AM   #45
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Can I just post the Smackdown HCTP Roster?

Are you saying we couldn't have WHC matches with

HBK/RVD
HBK/Kurt Angle
HBK/Big Show
HBK/Hogan
HBK/Rock
HBK/Cena
HBK/Anyone

To say there weren't other wrestlers in 2003-2004 who could main event during those years is downright wrong.
Look at it in terms of the brand split and keep yourself to Raw wrestlers. That takes out Angle and Hogan right there. The idea that Cena was ready for a company-shouldering main event during that time is absurd. The Big Show's work during that time was not at all good. RVD proved he wasn't ready for the top spot by smoking it out the window when he got it. And as fucking awesome as HBK is, I'm pretty sure it was largely his own input that kept him from headlining through most of those years.
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Old 08-26-2013, 09:02 AM   #46
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John Cena Main Evented Backlash 2003. RVD didn't get caught smoking until 2006. Wrestlers were able to move to other brands but Undertaker, Nash, Kane, and Booker T were primarily raw brand guys.

but no your right, for nearly 3 years HHH should have been in every WHC match-up. It never got stale at all.
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Old 08-26-2013, 09:11 AM   #47
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You just listed a bunch of guys who DID main event during those years, plus RVD who should never be in this discussion. What's your point?
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My point is we should have had a few more WHC PPV matches that did not involve HHH over that time span.
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There have been times where the WWE has put Triple H over at times when I don't think they should have. Sometimes I can understand why they did it. WrestleMania XIX was their first brand-split WrestleMania and they wanted the title change moment in the main event and had never tried the "two new World Champions in one night" thing. I think there should have been a screwier finish to protect Booker T, but I understand their desire to keep the World Title on Triple H at this point.

I can understand why they put Triple H over Lesnar at WrestleMania this year. In some ways it adds to the mystique of The Undertaker's streak, since the guy who lost to him two years in a row can beat Lesnar at the event.

Triple H beating Randy Orton at WrestleMania XXV actually made a little sense too. Triple H was the babyface in the feud and people like to see the good guy beat the bad guy. Orton going over would have allowed him to get a good run as a heel champion started, and from that a new star could have been made by beating him.

Unforgiven 2004 still baffles me though. The whole booking of Randy Orton at this time baffles me actually. The fans were rabid to see Randy Orton beat Chris Benoit in Toronto. It was the right time to do the switch. The face run for Orton was kind of shitty, though. He spent most of his time running away from Evolution from memory. I still think that the best two ways to go with Orton in 2004 were the following:

1) Randy Orton hands the World Title back to Triple H when he was asked to. Everyone wanted to see an RKO on Triple H, but Orton's respect for Triple H and Ric Flair and dependency on Evolution would lead to him being obedient and not falling out with the group. Chris Benoit would take issue with Orton just handing the title to Triple H. Benoit was never a great talker, but I'm sure he could have put a promo together about how he worked for so many years to be World Heavyweight Champion, Orton becomes the youngest ever and then just hands it to Triple H?

This would lead to Orton wrestling Benoit a couple more times while Triple H feuded with other guys over the World Title he never earned. Eventually, more and more people start telling Orton that he should be the man in WWE, not Triple H. Orton would then win the 2005 Royal Rumble and then set his sights on Triple H and the World Heavyweight Championship.

2) By becoming World Heavyweight Champion, Randy Orton proves that the future is now, and Evolution turns on Triple H, who is now "past it" as far as they are concerned. Orton would be the young, cocky heel and the story heading into WrestleMania 21 would have been Triple H's search for redemption.
Not bad, but I would have done this:

Have Orton win the title........and stay heel.......and have Triple H be kicked out of Evolution.

Batista then goes over Orton at Mania'.

Basically - I would have switched the roles of Orton and HHH.

Even if Orton was getting cheered like crazy, he should have been kept heel. This is one mistake the WWE constantly makes.......and has been constantly making since 2001. The moment anyone gets even a hint of a face reaction, the WWE turns them face.......instead of letting the character stay heel and letting the fans appreciate the character as a heel.
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