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Old 10-07-2013, 04:47 AM   #41
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I was talking about all the nonsense over "Taker has come back from being buried/burnt alive". I don't see how it's relevant.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:16 AM   #42
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He's still referred to as The Deadman, and that was still part of his character. But I guess we're supposed to pretend it never happened.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:17 AM   #43
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But that's not the point I'm making, so you singling out that one comment is pretty much irrelevant.
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Old 10-07-2013, 02:22 PM   #44
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He's been buried alive, blown up, and set on fire (among others), and still returned. Given his health, the WM match[es] probably wouldn't include any of that. It's not even believable for him to lose a standard match anymore. (i.e. How could he lose like that after all his comebacks?) It just wouldn't make any sense.
So he shouldn't lose a match because it's not believable if he doesn't get buried alive, blown up, set on fire or something along the lines. Really? lol
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Also, I like the idea that his health would prevent him from being buried alive, blown up or set on fire.
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He also hasn't lost a standard singles match in 5 years. How is it believable for him to lose his ONLY match of the year? Fuck, you are a shithead.

But again, not really the point: No one deserves to end the streak. It has become bigger than anyone on the roster and quite a big part of the event itself at this point.
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You made the comment as a reason Taker shouldn't lose, dumb fuck. It is the point. Not my fault you wanna downplay it now. Wrestlers lose. When they're booked as unstoppable, it's even more monumental when they lose. When they're old and there are younger guys who could benefit from beating them, it's beneficial to make the younger guys look amazing by jobbing to them. It's not fucking rocket science. Good God. lol

Can't believe Goldberg actually ever lost a match after being booked as unbeatable. And don't get me started on Hogan beating Andre the Giant after Andre was undefeated for over 10 years. So fucking unrealistic.
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But again, not really the point: No one deserves to end the streak. It has become bigger than anyone on the roster and quite a big part of the event itself at this point.
And as for this point... a) It still avoids the question of who does the streak ending hurt and b) If you don't want Cena to do it, you put in the effort to build someone up near Cena's level and have them do it. It provides one of the biggest moments in wrestling history and both Taker and the guy who wins get an iconic, timeless moment that NO ONE in wrestling gets nowadays.

For the hundredth time... no one benefits from the streak never ending and everyone benefits from the streak ending.
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It goes against everything in wrestling to not have someone get the rub of ending The Streak.
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The streak should be kept in tact. No one deserves the honor and I think in the grand scheme of it all nobody really needs to beat the streak. There are to many variables. If you choose a guy to beat the streak and he is truly THAT GOOD, he'll become a star regardless. The streak isn't going to make a star and nobody is going to care two years after it is broken. Let Taker keep the streak and make a star the way a star should be made.
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And as for this point... a) It still avoids the question of who does the streak ending hurt and b) If you don't want Cena to do it, you put in the effort to build someone up near Cena's level and have them do it. It provides one of the biggest moments in wrestling history and both Taker and the guy who wins get an iconic, timeless moment that NO ONE in wrestling gets nowadays.

For the hundredth time... no one benefits from the streak never ending and everyone benefits from the streak ending.
Cena doesn't need the streak. If you build a guy up to Cena's level he won't need the streak. The streak IS Taker's legacy. The streak is to Taker what 16 title reigns were to Flair.

The Streak is bigger than Taker himself really
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The streak should be kept in tact. No one deserves the honor and I think in the grand scheme of it all nobody really needs to beat the streak. There are to many variables. If you choose a guy to beat the streak and he is truly THAT GOOD, he'll become a star regardless. The streak isn't going to make a star and nobody is going to care two years after it is broken. Let Taker keep the streak and make a star the way a star should be made.
First of all, I'm still waiting for an explanation of what good keeping the streak in tact does for anyone. And the idea that no one would care two years after is insane. It would easily be one of the biggest moments in wrestling history. As for "the way a star should be made", they should be made by going over established guys and being involved in huge, iconic moments. Ya know... like beating the Undertaker at WrestleMania and ending the streak. And even if you don't think it should be used to put someone over for some reason, it should STILL end for the moment alone. Not just the moment it would give Taker and his opponent but the moment it would give wrestling in general. There's no reason to keep it in tact. At all. It helps... no one.

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Cena doesn't need the streak. If you build a guy up to Cena's level he won't need the streak. The streak IS Taker's legacy. The streak is to Taker what 16 title reigns were to Flair.

The Streak is bigger than Taker himself really
Cena needs the streak as much as Taker needs to keep it. It's kind of a wash as far as "NEED". It is a big part of his legacy. But again...

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The man's a legend regardless of the streak and again... the streak will always be a part of his legacy. It doesn't cease to have ever existed once it ends.
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#1-wwf-fan is 100% correct.
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They can play the clip forever. Plus, it's not like Taker has an eleven-year career of main event matches and moments prior to the streak even being brought up by Jim Ross at WrestleMania X-7.
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First of all, I'm still waiting for an explanation of what good keeping the streak in tact does for anyone. And the idea that no one would care two years after is insane. It would easily be one of the biggest moments in wrestling history. As for "the way a star should be made", they should be made by going over established guys and being involved in huge, iconic moments. Ya know... like beating the Undertaker at WrestleMania and ending the streak. And even if you don't think it should be used to put someone over for some reason, it should STILL end for the moment alone. Not just the moment it would give Taker and his opponent but the moment it would give wrestling in general. There's no reason to keep it in tact. At all. It helps... no one.



Cena needs the streak as much as Taker needs to keep it. It's kind of a wash as far as "NEED". It is a big part of his legacy. But again...
I just don't see it. In my personal opinion I'd like to see Taker undefeated at mania and I don't see the moment that would make me say "Wow, I'm glad they ended it that way." or "That was the way to do it." I can't think of a storyline or person that is worthy of it or who will be ready any time soon.
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The Streak ends one way or another. Either someone beats Taker or he goes into retirement undefeated.

Either way, The Streak seizes to be a selling point for Mania. Either way, The Streak has ended.

Seems like some people think Taker has years ahead of him, prolonging The Streak and helping the Mania buyrate.
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I just don't see it. In my personal opinion I'd like to see Taker undefeated at mania and I don't see the moment that would make me say "Wow, I'm glad they ended it that way." or "That was the way to do it." I can't think of a storyline or person that is worthy of it or who will be ready any time soon.
Daniel Bryan. WrestleMania XXX. Seriously.

You put the WWE Title on Bryan at Hell in a Cell and you have him hold it until TLC in December, where he is screwed out of it by The Authority. Bryan then enters the Royal Rumble, but he is forced to enter from the #1 position. He manages to make it right up to the end, when he is tossed out by a heel working for Triple H and Stephanie McMahon that isn't even in the match. It could possibly be all three members of The Shield.

Elimination Chamber sees Bryan take on whoever cost him the Rumble, and he defeats them soundly. If it's The Shield, he actually beats them in a Handicap Match. The time between Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania XXX sees The Undertaker return and Taker actually challenges Bryan. He says that he respects Bryan's ability and he hasn't seen a Superstar with such momentum in a long time. Bryan accepts the challenge and says that if he can't be the WWE Champion then he will do something no one has ever done before -- not his mentor and not the man who keeps screwing him out of the WWE Title -- end the most legendary streak in sports entertainment history.

Shawn Michaels is announced as the Special Guest Referee in the match. HBK is torn between his student and the man who ended his career, and a man he greatly respects in The Undertaker. He vows to call it right down the middle, but the potential for drama is still there.

Imagine the atmosphere of a WrestleMania match between these two. Little Daniel Bryan standing across the ring from The Phenom, as the crowd chants "YES! YES! YES!" and "Undertaker!" There is so much good-will towards Bryan from smark crowds that they are going to want to bite for everything he does, and the match will surely be a classic. Bryan will show in-ring prowess that wears down The Undertaker and hints that he may have the technical strategy to defeat The Dead Man. Taker also manages to use his size, power and experience edge to dominate Bryan at times, and he hits him with everything he has and can't keep the plucky fighter down.

Bryan is eventually caught in the Hell's Gate and it looks like the same fate will befall him as everyone else, but he actually manages to counter the move on Undertaker and lock in The YES! Lock on the legend. Undertaker struggles to get to the ropes, but Bryan starts kicking Undertaker in the back of the head viciously and re-strengthens the hold. Taker still gets to the ropes, but Bryan manages to roll the move back into the middle of the ring and Taker has no choice but to actually tap-out. The crowd would fucking explode. Bryan would get a big celebration with HBK as he leads the world in a "YES!" chant. Undertaker would get back to his feet, walk into the ring and raise Bryan's arm. Taker would go to leave and Bryan would stop him, tell him to enjoy his moment and then he and HBK head to the back as Undertaker soaks up the applause. Taker raises his arm on the stage one last time and we get a special moment and a classic match.

And that wouldn't even be the main event.
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Daniel Bryan. WrestleMania XXX. Seriously.

You put the WWE Title on Bryan at Hell in a Cell and you have him hold it until TLC in December, where he is screwed out of it by The Authority. Bryan then enters the Royal Rumble, but he is forced to enter from the #1 position. He manages to make it right up to the end, when he is tossed out by a heel working for Triple H and Stephanie McMahon that isn't even in the match. It could possibly be all three members of The Shield.

Elimination Chamber sees Bryan take on whoever cost him the Rumble, and he defeats them soundly. If it's The Shield, he actually beats them in a Handicap Match. The time between Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania XXX sees The Undertaker return and Taker actually challenges Bryan. He says that he respects Bryan's ability and he hasn't seen a Superstar with such momentum in a long time. Bryan accepts the challenge and says that if he can't be the WWE Champion then he will do something no one has ever done before -- not his mentor and not the man who keeps screwing him out of the WWE Title -- end the most legendary streak in sports entertainment history.

Shawn Michaels is announced as the Special Guest Referee in the match. HBK is torn between his student and the man who ended his career, and a man he greatly respects in The Undertaker. He vows to call it right down the middle, but the potential for drama is still there.

Imagine the atmosphere of a WrestleMania match between these two. Little Daniel Bryan standing across the ring from The Phenom, as the crowd chants "YES! YES! YES!" and "Undertaker!" There is so much good-will towards Bryan from smark crowds that they are going to want to bite for everything he does, and the match will surely be a classic. Bryan will show in-ring prowess that wears down The Undertaker and hints that he may have the technical strategy to defeat The Dead Man. Taker also manages to use his size, power and experience edge to dominate Bryan at times, and he hits him with everything he has and can't keep the plucky fighter down.

Bryan is eventually caught in the Hell's Gate and it looks like the same fate will befall him as everyone else, but he actually manages to counter the move on Undertaker and lock in The YES! Lock on the legend. Undertaker struggles to get to the ropes, but Bryan starts kicking Undertaker in the back of the head viciously and re-strengthens the hold. Taker still gets to the ropes, but Bryan manages to roll the move back into the middle of the ring and Taker has no choice but to actually tap-out. The crowd would fucking explode. Bryan would get a big celebration with HBK as he leads the world in a "YES!" chant. Undertaker would get back to his feet, walk into the ring and raise Bryan's arm. Taker would go to leave and Bryan would stop him, tell him to enjoy his moment and then he and HBK head to the back as Undertaker soaks up the applause. Taker raises his arm on the stage one last time and we get a special moment and a classic match.

And that wouldn't even be the main event.
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Fair enough. I'd take it over The Undertaker beating someone else for the sake of it though.
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For some reason, this post made me think of that horse from Ren & Stimpy that said "No sir, I don't like it."
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Old 10-13-2013, 12:06 PM   #62
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