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Old 09-27-2013, 05:32 PM   #1
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If Taker comes back for a storyline with Bray...
I see it playing out as a fight for Kane's soul. Kane will fight Taker and Taker after defeating Kane will fight Bray. Exactly like that.

But in the end the storyline will really help none of the people involved.

If Bray wins, yes, he beat The Undertaker but then what? Where does he go from there? I feel like this is a case of building a guy prematurely. I don't think Bray or his family are ready to be in the position they are in.

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I hope taker doesn't come back and feud with the Wyatts, he still has beef with The Shield, I could see him coming back to side with Bryan and Punk against The Coporation 2/Heyman Guys, as I see them eventually siding together. Might give us another Taker-Triple H match at TLC or the Rumble and lead to Taker-Brock or Ryback at Mania.
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I wouldn't care either way.
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What if Jericho comes back and the Wyatt's brainwash him and he really becomes Mongoose McQueen as part of the family?
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I often wonder what The Undertaker is going to do at WrestleMania XXX. I can still totally envision Taker vs. Daniel Bryan, given that Bryan could have the best match possible with Taker and is probably someone that Taker would enjoy working with. It leaves the Corporation storyline to be closed in the main event. Perhaps Cena faces CM Punk or something like that, with Triple H strongly dropping hints that he has a horse in the race?

I don't really want to see The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar. I guess it's because both are part-time acts and have faced each other before. I don't really want to see Taker vs. Ryback because I just can't get into the story. Ryback couldn't beat Mark Henry, one of Taker's victims, at WrestleMania.

I could get into The Undertaker vs. Bray Wyatt. Kane could return as Bray's newest Family member. The Undertaker returns to fight for Kane's soul, and Bray just laughs it off, as if it's all part of his plan. A No Holds Barred Match at WrestleMania between the two could be a lot of fun, and Luke Harper and Erick Rowan can get involved. The climax could come when Kane has to pick a side -- his brother's or his new spiritual father's. If they really want to shock people, Kane could Tombstone The Undertaker, allowing Wyatt to get the pin and break the streak. Wyatt is young enough that he would get something from this, his character is awesome, plus Taker has offered the streak to Kane in the past. While Kane helping Wyatt beat Taker wouldn't exactly be Kane breaking it, he is involved which is a nice little throwback to their history.
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If they did Taker vs. Wyatt at WrestleMania XXX, I'd keep Wyatt undefeated until then.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:22 AM   #10
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What if Jericho comes back and the Wyatt's brainwash him and he really becomes Mongoose McQueen as part of the family?
Don't be stupid. Moongoose McQueen and Chris Jericho look nothing alike!
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:50 AM   #11
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I could get into The Undertaker vs. Bray Wyatt. Kane could return as Bray's newest Family member. The Undertaker returns to fight for Kane's soul, and Bray just laughs it off, as if it's all part of his plan. A No Holds Barred Match at WrestleMania between the two could be a lot of fun, and Luke Harper and Erick Rowan can get involved. The climax could come when Kane has to pick a side -- his brother's or his new spiritual father's. If they really want to shock people, Kane could Tombstone The Undertaker, allowing Wyatt to get the pin and break the streak. Wyatt is young enough that he would get something from this, his character is awesome, plus Taker has offered the streak to Kane in the past. While Kane helping Wyatt beat Taker wouldn't exactly be Kane breaking it, he is involved which is a nice little throwback to their history.
I could live with this but is Bray Wyatt worth it inthe long run?
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The streak will never end. It is Taker's legacy. He will retire undefeated at Wrestlemania.
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Can we stop suggesting that the streak should end? It shouldn't unless Taker legit dies mid-match.

And even then it'd be a stretch.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:15 AM   #14
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Wouldn't mind taker helping the Rhodes brothers beat the shield, tbh
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I could live with this but is Bray Wyatt worth it inthe long run?
He absolutely could be. How old is the guy? 26? If the Bray Wyatt character begins to falter, you can have him end up turning face and just becomes this guy who kicks ass on his own and wears Hawaiian shirts. Ratings.
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:39 AM   #16
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Wouldn't mind taker helping the Rhodes brothers beat the shield, tbh
That would actually be fucking great. Battleground has the potential to be a solid PPV, and they've tried to give it a few promising events (the Rhodeseses getting rehired and a new WWE Champion being crowned), but it hasn't really been made to feel too "special." A surprise Undertaker return could make a few fans feel stupid for missing it, and greatly reward those who do plunk down the money for the PPV.

Dean Ambrose is bound to get involved in the match. Dusty will be set to stand between Ambrose and interference. It'd be ridiculous to have Ambrose sell too much for Dusty. Logic would dictate that one of the Rhodes boys would go help their dad, but the lights going out and The Undertaker standing guard as enforcer could be a nice moment.

I would love to see The Undertaker stand up, if not always as an in-ring competitor, as a the locker room leader that Big Show can't be at this point in time. Hearing Taker's thoughts on Daniel Bryan being screwed, Randy Orton being groomed, Big Show being coerced into service and The Shield attacking as pit-bulls to The Authority would make for a few interesting segments -- especially given the history between Taker and Triple H. This could even be how Taker could return to the ring. "Would you fight with these guys, Dead Man? Or are your words of support just empty?" Cue Survivor Series, where Taker does fight with Daniel Bryan, Cody Rhodes, Goldust and Big Show against The Authority -- most likely represented by Triple H, Randy Orton and The Shield.
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Can we stop suggesting that the streak should end? It shouldn't unless Taker legit dies mid-match.

And even then it'd be a stretch.
It does nothing for anyone to have Taker retire with the streak in tact. The streak should absolutely end.

Taker's WrestleMania legacy doesn't cease to exist with the streak ending. The streak will have still happened and will be talked about forever whether it ends or not. There's no reason to just willingly forego what would go down as maybe the most epic moment in wrestling history.
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Yeah, and say the guy who breaks it leaves shortly after that. Or gets injured. Or in trouble with the law and released.

The moment becomes meaningless and a WrestleMania attraction (gonna go out on a limb and say Taker doesn't retire on a loss) is lost for no reason.

If Taker was still able to be full-time, maybe ending the streak would be okay. MAYBE.

But it's basically his only match of the year anymore and it would be really stupid if he lost after all this time and just bounced until the following year.
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Obviously the streak should end on his last WrestleMania match when he's ready to go out. You gotta milk it for all it's worth first. And he would be going out responsible for maybe the biggest moment in wrestling history. You can't be worried about what happens to the guy he puts over. It's not even about putting a guy over per se. It's about the moment. There's no reason to not use the streak to make this generation's "Hogan slams Andre". Hell, I'd have Cena be the guy to end it just to make it as epic as possible and give two good, over company guys a moment that will live in infamy.

I've yet to hear a good reason why the streak staying in tact forever benefits anyone.
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It is literally the reason he wrestles every year. People get a rub just working the match without winning.

If Cena broke it, the crowd would shit all over it ruining any sort of moment. Think of the crowd that travels for WM: they're not all kids. They wouldn't see it as a "moment." It'd be Cena wins all over again.

Slamming Andre worked for Hogan because he was the good guy conquering the evil giant who was unstoppable. Undertaker is not in a spot to be booed at this point, especially against Cena.
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Plus after winning for so long against big names, why would he go out on a loss? It's become too big at this point. It's bigger than everyone on the roster. It's bigger than the championship.

It will add to his legacy when he's inducted into the hall. And it would be stupid if it was: "Well he WAS undefeated at WrestleMania..."

Flair couldn't do it. Orton couldn't do it. Punk couldn't do it. HBK couldn't do it twice. HHH couldn't do it twice. The only person who could would be Cena, but it wouldn't work out the way you want.
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Someone in another thread brought up Joe Dimaggio's hitting streak as a comparison. It ended. Is his legacy/the aura of the streak ruined now? Do people look back on it and say "Well he DID end up not getting a hit..." No, it would not be stupid. When he's inducted into the hall of fame they'll say "He had the greatest streak in wrestling history at 2?-0." The streak still happened after it ends. People seem to not grasp that.

And every year Taker gets cheered, and every year the crowd still goes nuts when a near fall occurs on him. It would be such a ridiculously huge moment, the crowd is gonna pop. Without a doubt. People wanna witness the moment. And again, it is gonna go down as maybe THE most memorable moment in wrestling history. There is NO reason to forego that moment once he's ready to have his last match. There's nothing to be gained by anyone in not ending.
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I agree with #1-wwf-fan. The Undertaker's streak at WrestleMania will always be 2(x) wins. A huge star could be made from eventually beating The Undertaker, and even if it doesn't work out, who cares? There is no doubt that it would get a reaction from people, and that's what professional wrestling is about.

I'm still on board with Daniel Bryan ending the streak. He's a great worker, a comfortable talker, is over as fuck and is now at the stage where you cannot deny that he is a main event talent. Bryan proving to the world he can beat The Undertaker would be a massive moment. Could you imagine the crowd reaction for that match?
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Old 10-05-2013, 09:09 PM   #24
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Don't agree that it should be Cena but do agree that the streak has more potential value if its broken than if its stays intact once Taker decides to finally retire.

The moment shouldn't act as just another notch for a super established star and instead should be the springboard to the next real star which is why Cena and few others shouldn't do it.

The ideal situation would be for someone that already has some proven star power so its not a huge gamble and the aura of the moment acts as a natural springboard to the next level of stardom. Noid's choice of Bryan fits that mold but should be a few others as well.
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What about Dolph Ziggy? I mean he's been in kind of a rut lately.
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Someone in another thread brought up Joe Dimaggio's hitting streak as a comparison. It ended. Is his legacy/the aura of the streak ruined now? Do people look back on it and say "Well he DID end up not getting a hit..." .
That is a fucking stupid comparison to make. Hitting in more consecutive games than anyone is not remotely the same as never losing at WrestleMania.

You're suggesting a moment would be made, meaning both parties involved would be immortalized by it. That didn't happen when DiMaggio put a 0 in the hit column in game 57. Is the pitcher who kept him hitless remembered in a huge moment in history? No, because that's not the point.


Going out having never lost at the biggest event is way better than "well he did win a lot of matches at WrestleMania..." It has become a part of his character now. Ending it doesn't make any sense. Again, why would he go out on a loss after all this time? Especially since it's really the only reason he comes back every year.
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I've said multiple times that he should only lose when he's ready to retire and it's gonna be his last WrestleMania match. What does it being the only reason he comes back every year have to do with it?? He wouldn't be coming back for another WrestleMania match at that point. It's moot.

Going on having the most impressive streak in wrestling history AND having been involved in maybe the most memorable moment in wrestling history is much better. Much, MUCH better. That's why he would/should/is probably completely fine with going out on a loss. He's gonna be remembered as a legend no matter what. And the streak is gonna go down in history no matter what. Again, I've yet to hear a valid reason why foregoing the moment of the streak ending is good for anyone.
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Being the only reason he comes back is valid because it has become such a part of his character at this point. It's bigger than any match, title, or moment.

After all this time, with all the big names that have failed to do it, it would be a disservice to end it. There is no one person worthy of getting that moment. Anyone who could have done it either already failed, or is too established to need the rub.

Undertaker retiring on a loss is preposterous, "moment" or not. There is no one on the roster worthy of being the guy who essentially ended The Undertaker.
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Besides, how many times has he "risen from the dead?" It wouldn't make any sense for him to lose his last match given how he can't be kept down ever.
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I'd just like to throw it out there that The Undertaker doesn't need to retire after he loses at WrestleMania. Sure, he probably would -- but there's nothing to say that he can't come back and wrestle in Houston, Texas one year, or do another appearance in Madison Square Garden. Maybe he goes on the UK tour after the WrestleMania loss? The Undertaker losing at WrestleMania doesn't make the previous losses moot; it just shows how fucking difficult it is to beat the Dead Man at WrestleMania.
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If he was maybe 10-0 and did that, okay. Now that he's 21-0? No way. That would be ridiculous. The streak is too big for him to recover from dropping it now. Yes, even though he is The Undertaker.
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Come on, now...
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Besides, how many times has he "risen from the dead?" It wouldn't make any sense for him to lose his last match given how he can't be kept down ever.
What? Why does he have to be "kept down"? Why can't he get up, push officials away as they try to help him and shake the hand of the man who finally did the unthinkable? The guy is gonna retire eventually. There will come a time where he won't "rise from the dead" and come back for another match whether his last match is a win or a loss.

Especially in the case of an old school guy who comes off so business-minded, why WOULDN'T he wanna go out putting a guy over in such spectacular fashion?
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As soon as the dust clears and Taker puts a guy over, he's going to be left in the ring and the crowd will go nuts with applause and "Thank you, Taker" chants. The Dead Man will cry, look around sad, wave to people in the crowd, shake the hands of the announcers at ringside who use their somber tones to talk about the legacy Taker has left us with. He'll walk up to the top of the stage with his back to the audience. He'll raise his fist in the air to one of the biggest pops you've heard in your life and everything will be perfect.

Then on RAW he'll cut a "Thank you" promo and then The Shield's music will hit. Taker will stand his ground as JBL tells him to get out of there. Kane and the guy who defeated him will come out and fight off The Shield and there will be another round of applause and an "Undertaker Appreciation Night" moment.

Taker will then go into the Hall of Fame the very next year, inducted by Kane, who wows us all with an eloquent speech. No one will be hurt by any of this.
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The idea that Taker couldn't "recover" from the streak ending is... just crazy. The man's a legend regardless of the streak and again... the streak will always be a part of his legacy. It doesn't cease to have ever existed once it ends.
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Exactly.
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I'm just imagining if Daniel Bryan broke the streak and CM Punk won the WWE Title at WrestleMania from John Cena. Bryan would logically be the next contender for the WWE Title after Cena gets his rematch. The story could be that Bryan did what Punk couldn't do -- beat The Undertaker. They battle to find out who is truly the "Best in the World." When they have their match, Punk cheats his ass off and turns heel to retain the title against Bryan, and launching a darker rivalry between the two.
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Where have I said the legacy of the streak would cease to exist if it ends? It would just be fucking stupid after all this time and after all the big names who have failed to do it. It's bigger than any wrestler, moment, or championship.

He's been buried alive, blown up, and set on fire (among others), and still returned. Given his health, the WM match[es] probably wouldn't include any of that. It's not even believable for him to lose a standard match anymore. (i.e. How could he lose like that after all his comebacks?) It just wouldn't make any sense.


Again, there is no one worthy of the honor of ending the streak. It is bigger than anyone who is there or could come back.
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Is it just me or has the Undertaker character evolved past all the supernatural stuff? I mean, yeah, it's still kinda there a little but they seem to have moved to a more "realistic" take on the character where he's a veteran who can't be beaten at Mania. The storyline over the last few years seems to be "Can Taker keep going?" as much as "Can [ ] end The Streak?". Don't see anything in what screech is getting at.
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Can you not read well? I'm not saying anything too difficult to comprehend.

The streak is bigger than anyone who is on the roster right now, or anyone who could come in to try to break it. There is no one who deserves the distinction of being the guy who ended the streak.
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