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10-21-2013, 06:13 PM
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I'm curious though, what does it matter where TNA world champs worked at before TNA? It not like people looked at WWE in 2000 and said, Undertaker, HHH, Mick Foley, Steve Austin are the top guys and they all worked for WCW so that means WWE is going down...
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10-21-2013, 07:55 PM
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10-21-2013, 07:56 PM
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They just happened to book into a large arena they couldnt fill, and more than likely never planned to.
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10-21-2013, 08:07 PM
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Are you kidding me?!
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In 2000 in WWE, you had the red hot McMahon-Helmsley storyline. On the WCW side of things, talent (Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, Saturn) jumped ship to WWF and Russo put the belt on a non-wrestler (Dave Arquette). If that's not a red flag I don't know what is. After giving the wikipedia TNA Championship page a second look, it's nearly half and half. There's just some guys I wish would have the belt more. It may make more revenue. Is there any other way TNA would make more cash? |
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10-22-2013, 01:55 AM
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I won tickets to the tna house show that came to my neck of the woods about a month ago, and that was my first time seeing tna in person. I will say they had a lot of good going on. Jeremy borash was giving fans who cheered loudly backstage passes. (I got one, don't know how lol) and security was going around escorting families and kids to the empty seats around the ring. That being said u could tell they are hurting financially.. Those backstage passes were $50 if u wanted to buy them, or u got one free for buying a $375 belt. Was psyched to meet bully Ray, James storm, gunner, booby roode and a-double, but wouldn't have been worth $50.. My point is, seemed like they were catering to the fans, whereas wwe is more like get the show over with and get the hell out of town
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10-22-2013, 05:15 AM
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Many IWC members want TNA, ROH, etc. to gradually build their homegrown talent to topple the former WWE champs who wrestle there, instead of having homegrown be second-tier until those post-WWE wrestlers either return to WWE or retire. There must a torch passing, unlike Hogan's anticlimactic departure from TNA. On the bright side, Sting put over Magnus while Kurt Angle put over Bobby Roode. AJ Styles finally got his title win over Bully Ray!  I just hope Styles' cartilage tear doesn't cause TNA to force an overturn of his win ala Bryan vs. Orton. http://www.tpww.net/2013/10/4-top-tn...und-for-glory/ |
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10-22-2013, 05:26 AM
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10-22-2013, 04:41 PM
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10-23-2013, 02:50 PM
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10-23-2013, 09:50 PM
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Re: crowd figures
It's not really fair to compare TNA and ECW. The latter existed in a boom period for wrestling, when PPVs weren't easily available to stream for free online live or a few hours thereafter. TNA exists in a time where WWE are the market leaders by an enormous margin. However, it's only fair to point out that ECW existed on what I assume was a much tighter budget. They created their own stars (Taz, Raven, Sandman, Dreamer, Rhyno, etc) and guys like Austin, Foley, Mysterio, Guerrero went there before becoming stars. Meanwhile, TNA has built its name using some home-grown talent but with the benefit of bolstering their product with names made famous in WCW and WWE. With that in mind, it's probably fair to say that TNA should be in a stronger position than ECW ever was. Re: TNA Champions People make it sound like TNA throw the belt on any old WWE guy that comes in and that's just not true. Any company would put their top belt on Angle - gold medal winner who is regarded as one of the best in-ring talents ever - or an incredibly popular guy like Hardy. You'd be stupid not to use these guys to lift the profile of the belt/company. Even a guy like Christian was a good fit for the belt. People were clamouring for WWE to do something with him, to give him a shot at the top, TNA were just givng (some of) the fans what they wanted. On the flip side, TNA has put the belt on Sabin, Bully Ray, Aries, Roode and Storm in the last few years. Add Styles to that list and I don't think they're doing too badly. |
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10-24-2013, 05:09 AM
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ECW's salaries did get out of control. Mike Awesome was making $250,000 a year. They had no national TV till the end when the company was on it's last legs. You can compare the two because it's not ECW's fault that TNA hasn't created stars. The WWF had an even larger margain than ECW if you think about it.
People compare ROH to ECW, but ECW was more personality based. Both are niche markets but ECW appealed to a broader audience. |
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10-25-2013, 10:50 PM
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I would have used Jeff Hardy differently (I would have brought him in as an X-Division star), but I agree with pretty much every person TNA has decided to put their World Title on before. Chris Sabin might be the only one that kind of felt out of place, but it's something that he can now brag about as an amazing heel. Doesn't quite feel as bizarre as Dolph Ziggler or Jack Swagger winning World Titles when they did. Or Daniel Bryan for that matter.
Rumors are suggesting that Kurt Angle, Austin Aries, Chris Sabin, Jeff Hardy, Samoa Joe, Magnus, Bobby Roode and James Storm are going to be entered into a tournament to decide the new TNA World Heavyweight Champion now that AJ Styles has left with the title. If you put them into those brackets (although nothing says that the company would do that): * Kurt Angle could defeat Austin Aries in a Match of the Year candidate that we all would be lucky to see. Aries is phenomenal and all, but the story seems to be on Kurt Angle trying to prove he still has more of a legacy to leave. * Jeff Hardy could defeat the X-Division Champion, Chris Sabin, which would give Hardy a big win and keep their biggest merchandise winner relevant and could add to Sabin's heat as he reminds us that he's still a champion and gets to go and bang Velvet Sky. * Magnus could defeat Samoa Joe. As much as I love Joe and wish he was pushed as the badass he could be, Magnus seems to be their rising star at the moment and someone that they should be angling towards a World Title shot. Magnus could get the leverage pin on Joe while Joe has a Coquina Clutch locked in on Magnus, allowing Joe to look solid in the victory. A handshake between the two can close the match. * Bobby Roode would beat James Storm because Bobby Roode is consistently one of the best heels in professional wrestling and deserves to make tracks towards the title. Bad Influence can bring out a beaten-down Gunner to the stage which can distract Storm long enough for Roode to hit a Northern Lariat and The Payoff for the victory. * Kurt Angle can defeat Jeff Hardy with the Ankle Lock to win their semi-finals match, since Angle has the greater story to tell. The two can embrace after the match as Angle has one more match left to win to become a 12-time World Heavyweight Champion. * Magnus defeats Bobby Roode after Samoa Joe and Sting make sure that Bad Influence won't be a factor in a backstage brawl earlier in the night. * It doesn't matter who you have win the finals, since both men have had a tremendous story heading to the top. I think the most interesting outcome would be for Kurt Angle to succeed by rolling up Magnus for the win, and then a pissed off Magnus to attack Angle after the match, setting up a feud between the two. |
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10-25-2013, 11:46 PM
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10-25-2013, 11:49 PM
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Sean Morley not winning a championship as soon as he jumped ship has been a terrible event that TNA is still trying to recover from.
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10-26-2013, 12:13 AM
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look at Noid get all snarky.
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10-26-2013, 01:39 AM
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They really should have made it a point to make Mr. Anderson the face of the company. They've always needed someone to really become "THE guy" and he would have been the perfect candidate.
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10-26-2013, 04:58 AM
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They kind of fumbled with Anderson. He came in when too many other people were getting pushes, and then they put the World Title on him, then took it off him, then put it on him, then took it off him. He was a top merchandise mover for them for a while.
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10-26-2013, 05:02 AM
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It's a shame things didn't work out with Desmond Wolfe. That guy was amazing while they had him. In the ring he was this vicious indie guy that all the smarks love, but he had personality and you essentially knew what he was about the moment he showed up. And he had that Chelsea girl with her, which worked far better than it should have. I hope he didn't give her Hepatitis B.
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10-26-2013, 05:06 AM
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Didn't Wolfe win some sort of fan poll asking who they wanted to see challenge for the World Title? They should have gone further with him then.
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10-27-2013, 11:28 PM
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Dave Meltzer is reporting that the Carter family wants to throw the towel in on TNA and sell the company to the highest bidder. Interested/Rumoured parties range from Eric Bischoff, Jeff Jarrett, Viacom and even the WWE.
Dave Meltzer revealed the news on his radio show today that they've been wanting to get out of the wrestling business for several months now, after they've thrown everything at the company without any results. |
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10-27-2013, 11:59 PM
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Taller than Adam Cole
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So, who's going to be Brie Bella's stalker: Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, or Bobby Roode?
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10-28-2013, 04:57 AM
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10-28-2013, 08:02 AM
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I've watched bits of TNA on and off over the last 5 years or so but not for about a year now. One of the problems with them is that they really have committed to making some "The Guy". Look at Bobby Roode, they make him the longest reigning World Champion in TNA history, then once he loses it they sort of lose interest in him and he is off being a tag team again. Same with Aries. Went off the boil with Styles after he lost it. They really got to build someone up to the point where they are TNA's Cena.
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10-28-2013, 08:28 AM
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Are you kidding me?!
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10-28-2013, 03:52 PM
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Just know that, whoever fills that role, will end up jobbing to Brie Bella.
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10-28-2013, 04:46 PM
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10-28-2013, 04:47 PM
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Oh and vote for whitey, I might be a cunt but the dinosaur is adorable.
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10-30-2013, 09:42 AM
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11-01-2013, 12:22 PM
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11-01-2013, 12:23 PM
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If the WWE buys TNA, I hope they kayfabe it and have someone snatch it out from Triple H, Stephanie and Vince and turn it into a safe-haven for stars who don't want to be mistreated by The Authority. Within the realm of TNA, Hulk Hogan would actually make sense. Even if they just did it as a one-off appearance for Hogan and had him relinquish control to a new General Manager.
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11-01-2013, 12:25 PM
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Not only would a WWE vs. TNA storyline be entertaining and at least lead to fresh match-ups, but an NXT vs. OVW storyline would be amazing. Who would be able to resist watching Bo-VW?
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11-01-2013, 08:24 PM
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11-03-2013, 01:58 AM
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11-03-2013, 06:32 AM
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TNA isn't WCW, it's not even ECW, the average WWE fan has no idea who any of the TNA roster are outside of former WWE talents, really don't get how folk can get all excited about an Invasion 2.0 when it's more like Jim Cornette leading the NWA faction.
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11-03-2013, 10:28 AM
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if it is sold i hope it is double j that gets it, he was the one that ran it best, wwe is not buying it, if anything vince will loan jeff the money to keep tna afloat. when wwe took over wcw that was the worst day in wrestling history and vince does not want to repeat it.
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11-03-2013, 10:43 AM
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Would be cool if TNA was bought by WWE but kept it's own entity
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11-03-2013, 12:44 PM
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Maybe Hunter and Steph will buy it.
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11-03-2013, 02:34 PM
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If the Billy Corrigan rumors are true, this might not be a bad thing. He is a major fan from what I've read about him, and wouldn't want to hurt the business.....at least I don't think he would.
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