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Old 02-16-2014, 11:03 AM   #41
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I remember the feeling around Mania 22 was that a lot of people wanted Triple H to win to break up the monotony of Cena's title run, with Cena being booed out of a lot of buildings.

JR on commentary made it seem like the Chicago crowd was full of Nick Bockwinkles
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Old 02-16-2014, 12:21 PM   #42
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I think Cena was extremely over before HHH. Cena was already made, and you guys are overstating HHH's impact on Cena's career.
To be honest I forgot this match even happened in the main event of mania until it was brought up in this thread. I thought it was much later and was not memorable
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Old 02-16-2014, 12:24 PM   #43
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Old 02-16-2014, 12:25 PM   #44
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It was memorable as fuck.
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Old 02-16-2014, 01:03 PM   #45
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I don't remember the match, but I remember months before Cena feuded with Angle and Cena was constantly booed.

HHH blamed the booing of Cena on Angle being a poor heel. Then HHH showed us how to be a great heel and Cena still got booed out of the building.
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To be fair, he did come out dressed as Conan the Barbarian, ultimate heel?
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Well yes, obviously it does NOW. I was just saying that Cena became MADE with the Triple H victory. Like, FOR REAL made. Basically going from Randy Orton level to...well, John Cena level.
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Pretty much what Gertner says. Every so often he'll put someone over, but it always seems so pointless with all the guys he's buried, with his never ending need to be over as some ultimate ass kicker. I never think it's a big deal when he does anything, he is tired and old.

In saying that, he's definitely had some great moments in his career, but he has killed the momentum of a lot of guys that were fun to that point, where he put the kiss of death on them.
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I don't remember the match, but I remember months before Cena feuded with Angle and Cena was constantly booed.

HHH blamed the booing of Cena on Angle being a poor heel. Then HHH showed us how to be a great heel and Cena still got booed out of the building.
Right. From being booed to being BOOED OUT OF THE BUILDING.

The final push.
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Well yes, obviously it does NOW. I was just saying that Cena became MADE with the Triple H victory. Like, FOR REAL made. Basically going from Randy Orton level to...well, John Cena level.
Maybe Orton would be on the same level as Cena if HHH hadnt cut him down so many times.
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But seriously Cena went from getting booed against Angle and Jericho to Booed against HHH to booed against Edge and RVD and so on.

HHH literally had zero impact on any of that. I think you are applying your own shock to everyone's opinion when I think more people would agree the match wasnt a big deal or memorable. In fact I think his match with HBK (HHH fill in as mentioned) did way more for him because it showed how great Cena can be in the ring with the right people.
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It isn't that Triple H is a horrible guy (he seems to be based on everything I've seen, but that isn't what i don't like him), he just has an outlook on the business that I don't agree with. It doesn't help that he was an asshole that scraped and clawed his way to the top and fucked people over when hew as on top, but plenty before him had the same mentality. Triple H, like many others, have a perspective that puts people towards the top that look and seem a certain way. Triple H put over guys like Batista, John Cena, Brock Lesnar, and Sheamus, yeah. What do you suppose all of these guys have in common? Big hulking ridiculous looking people that are overflowing with testosterone. When it comes to guys like Punk, RVD, Bryan, Christian, Jericho... They don't fit the mold of what he views a champion should look like, so he constantly does everything in his power to protect a view of the business that is stale, antiquated, and completely bias. Even Benoit, Triple H put him over at Wrestlemania (in a triple threat match) but immediately started planting seeds for "his boy" Orton afterwards. Orton gets the belt and mysteriously what happens a month later? Orton "wasn't ready" and Triple H has the belt again.

I could talk about how shitty of a guy he is in terms of power, but mainly I hate his view of what the business should be and what the business should look like. He's one of e last guys holding on to that perspective and it is really a poison that is holding the entire history back.
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It wasn't just me.

Maybe Orton would be bigger if HHH had put him over. Sure.

Speaking of 23, I fucking love that match. It feels like a lot of people shit on it here, though. No clue why.

Regardless, Cena was already MADE by then. And Triple H did it. I think you're letting your hatred for Triple H think here. None of those people that he was getting booed against were even legitimate stars yet, really. I love Jericho, but no. Edge is OK, but no. A case could MAYBE be made for Kurt Angle, but not even. Triple H was THAT DUDE to beat to cross the threshold, not just from a smark perspective, but in the eyes of EVERYONE that watches WWE.

Look, I'm not a Triple H fan. I never really have been. I remember what I saw, though.
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RVD didn't piss me off but he did disappoint me. I thought he'd know better than to be in possession of weed in his car. As for Sabu, him being with Rob certainly didn't do him any favors, but he ultimately contributed to his own demise in WWE(CW) by constantly showing up late to events and having various behavioral problems.
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Narc must prefer the Tuesday afternoon squad at the strip club.

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Fuck yeah good point. And we shouldnt be mad at Benoit, be mad at the societal aversion to murder.
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Narc must prefer the Tuesday afternoon squad at the strip club.

OF course the sex objects of a medium targeted at males should be attractive.
I'm not really arguing that they should be attractive.
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Fuck yeah good point. And we shouldnt be mad at Benoit, be mad at the societal aversion to murder.
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You are part of the problem, it seems.
No, the majority. And I'd rather have Maryse than Trish. That accent!
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yeah that's definitely a legit comparison
The basis is he same. To be mad at the law and not the person who broke it is silly and stupid. Not comparing the acts.
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HHH is an absolute Cunt. Yes its got a capital 'C' to place emphasis on the sheer magnitude of his overall Cuntdom.

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So to the point of the thread, cena puts more people over more often when it makes sense. Also while he's a much bigger name and star than hhh. Cena has been the face of the company for 10 years and beating him means far more than hhh.
This is a great point and one that I would agree with.

Here is one thing I'd have to ask though.

If Triple H and Vince McMahon do not like "smaller guys" like Daniel Bryan at all costs, and do not have any intention of pushing Bryan as a World Champion long term, then why would they have him go CLEANLY over John Cena at Summerslam?.............one on one to boot!
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It wasn't just me.

Maybe Orton would be bigger if HHH had put him over. Sure.
HHH always makes Orton look like a bitch... like even with this story line right now.
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This is a great point and one that I would agree with.

Here is one thing I'd have to ask though.

If Triple H and Vince McMahon do not like "smaller guys" like Daniel Bryan at all costs, and do not have any intention of pushing Bryan as a World Champion long term, then why would they have him go CLEANLY over John Cena at Summerslam?.............one on one to boot!
I dont buy that they dont like small guys. Hbk is one of their all time closest wrestlers. I tend to agree with their views on size in regards to the supposed heavyweight champion . They push the right smaller guys.

But hhh would never put one over himself. Hes too bad ass to lose to a skinny fat punk.

Cena is mich better with letting his ego not get in the way
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HBK got a push because Vince was afraid of going to jail for steroids. He was also a shit draw as was Bret.
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Oh Jesus can anyone say anything about hbk without gertner chiming in With that shit.

Whatever. He made a ton of money till the end and was always pushed. His size never held him back with Vince.
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HHH is correct in the regard with once in a liftime exceptions, wrestlers shouldn't look like fucking gas station attendants and fuck cares about workrate.
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Yeah. And every woman should have triple D tits and look like Trish Stratus. Right?
If you're making a porn and you wanna make money, you should probably choose to have it feature chicks who look more like Trish Stratus and less like Nicole Bass.

If you're making a wrestling organization and you want to make money, you should probably choose to have it star guys who look more like Hogan/Cena than guys who look like they were signed straight from a Bum Fights video.
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Oh Jesus can anyone say anything about hbk without gertner chiming in With that shit.

Whatever. He made a ton of money till the end and was always pushed. His size never held him back with Vince.
overstating the size part a bit, 1995-96 Shawn Michaels would be one of the "bigger guys" on the roster rn. There was certainly a dropoff from the cartoon physiques of the late 80's but those mid/late 90's guys were still pretty huge compared to guys like Punk, Ziggler etc today.
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overstating the size part a bit, 1995-96 Shawn Michaels would be one of the "bigger guys" on the roster rn. There was certainly a dropoff from the cartoon physiques of the late 80's but those mid/late 90's guys were still pretty huge compared to guys like Punk, Ziggler etc today.
I dunno about that. The only guy getting a push that was smaller tHan michaels was Owen. Look at mid 96.

Taker, gold dust, Ahmed, farooq, vader, Kane, rock, Kama, crush, doa, etc all bigger guys.

Hbk was never really that small. Dude was 6'1 he dwarfs punk and Bryan. But he was the small guy in his era and it didn't stop him.
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HBK whined and cried until he got his belt and whined and cried once he got it. He's the Honky Tonk Man of WWF champions.
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He also whined and cried after those 30 Marines collectively jumped him for no reason whatsoever while Davey Boy and XPac were doing lines off of his beaten body.
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