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Old 03-19-2015, 05:09 PM   #1
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Old 03-19-2015, 07:04 PM   #2
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I've no faith in them doing/maintaining this.
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Also, I always liked the wcw belt. Looks like a legit belt, and not some goofy gimmicky thing splashed with 'merica all over it. Yes, I know its the "US" title.
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Also, I always liked the wcw belt. Looks like a legit belt, and not some goofy gimmicky thing splashed with 'merica all over it. Yes, I know its the "US" title.
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Regardless of who wins the World Title at Wrestlemania I think they have a good thing going with minimal title defenses. Save them for the big 4. Defend the IC title consistently on PPV and work the US title as a TV title, often defended on Raw and Smackdwon, only occasionally on PPV. Also if they continue with the MitB concept, tweak it so that the "anytime anywhere" aspect changes so that a week's notice is required. This would all lead to titles meaning something and eyes being drawn to them when they are defended.
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Always thought someone should use MITB as a way to get the IC/US title from someone they've had a blood feud with. Like "I want to humiliate you more than I want a world title shot" Sounds like it has alot of pitfalls though
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If they want to make them more prestigious I think Bryan is the best choice for the IC title and have him hold it awhile. Have Rusev beat Cena and at Summerslam have a IC/US title and have Bryan go over Rusev. With the two titles combined they can create a low mid card title for people like Ryder, Rose, Dallas , Kofi, and guys like that. Bryan could hold the new ICttitle for a record time and kind of be like a peoples champ. If they wanted the could do the WWE champion vs Bryan as the IC champ. Its been done before so it can be done again. Now I'm not a Bryan fan but feel he could get the IC title to a new high.
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Its not the title. Its the lack of any good feuds period. Whether it is for a title or a personal vendetta none of us are emotionally invested in the writing, until that changes titles wont matter
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Old 03-20-2015, 12:59 AM   #9
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I like the idea of Brock retaining and Bryan having the IC title, but Cena with the US title again just over 11 years later...SERIOUSLY?! Keep it on Rusev until someone who actually deserves it, such as Sheamus or Swagger takes it from him. Putting the belt on Cena, I believe, does neither him nor Rusev a bit of good.
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I like the idea of Brock retaining and Bryan having the IC title, but Cena with the US title again just over 11 years later...SERIOUSLY?! Keep it on Rusev until someone who actually deserves it, such as Sheamus or Swagger takes it from him. Putting the belt on Cena, I believe, does neither him nor Rusev a bit of good.
I disagree, putting the title on Cena helps him a lot. It keeps him in the spotlight without chasing the World Title. and like LJ said, if Bryan also wins, it helps legitimize his win. If THE biggest superstar of the last decade isn't good enough to beat Rusev in your eyes, then who is? Keeping in mind that Rusev has held his own in this feud, and losing to Cena won't make him look bad in any shape or form, and the return matches could be just as epic.
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I think for Daniel Bryan to hold the IC title, it would help a lot if Cena held the US title. Would "legitimize" the fact that "top guys" can hold "mid-card" titles. If just Bryan wins it, it is just him being "brought down a notch".
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I'd like to know who exactly deserves to beat Rusev.
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Even then. He had zero momentum before that program and it's not like his character had legs even had he won. Sadly, nobody's been booked well enough to be on Rusev's level.
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Always thought someone should use MITB as a way to get the IC/US title from someone they've had a blood feud with. Like "I want to humiliate you more than I want a world title shot" Sounds like it has alot of pitfalls though
That could work with Cena holding the US Title: they'd be going after the franchise player. Though, it does position a win over Cena as more meaningful than a World Title win.

Or you could have a vindictive heel take the IC Title from Bryan just to get one over on the fans.

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This. Just, this.
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Putting the midcard titles on these huge names is step one. It's a good idea to get a bit of focus on the belts but there's so much beyond that.

Theoretically, winning the US Title off of John Cena would mean more than winning it from, say Curtis Axel. That alone should give the new champion some momentum, especially if Cena has had a long, strong run, and then loses (relatively) cleanly.

The trouble will come when they bounce the title back down to an upper-midcard guy. Suddenly he's not "believable" as a guy who could beat Cena, or we revert to the "guy gets a win over champion, becomes #1 Contender" trope that helps nobody.

Or, they'll lose interest in the idea of pushing the midcard belts entirely, like the hot/cold way they treat the tag Divison.
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in all honesty, the last good feud over the IC title I can remember would be Austin/Rock. that was a lifetime ago. maybe there was another hot storyline over it but if so it escapes me, for the last decade its been treated like shit and wasn't there a 5-6 years stretch it never got defended at mania...made no sense


the US title... I cant even say.. the last time I can even remember a feud over it was cena/big show. I know that was a smackdown title though and during brand split I never paid much attention to the taped show, my fault there
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The Rock/Triple H had a pretty good feud followed by a show stealing ladder match at Summer Slam. Have a hard time remembering anything past that.
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Supposedly a new plan being tossed around at the moment doesn't have Bryan winning although other sheets have been hinting its unlikely Sheamus is showing up at Mania this year.

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This would then lead to a feud with a heel Sheamus vs. a babyface Bryan for the Intercontinental Title. It should be noted that this is another rumor but since his original report about WWE elevating both secondary titles, there have been signs from within WWE and from other sources that the reports could be true. He did add that this plan is less likely to happen than the original idea of Bryan winning the title but it is still being discussed
The feud itself is still likely happening regardless since its been teased Vince has an unhealthy obsession with wanting those two to feud a lot more.
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in all honesty, the last good feud over the IC title I can remember would be Austin/Rock. that was a lifetime ago. maybe there was another hot storyline over it but if so it escapes me, for the last decade its been treated like shit and wasn't there a 5-6 years stretch it never got defended at mania...made no sense


the US title... I cant even say.. the last time I can even remember a feud over it was cena/big show. I know that was a smackdown title though and during brand split I never paid much attention to the taped show, my fault there
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Ambrose (351), Miz (321), and Cesaro (239) hold the three longest combined US title reigns. Take one of them and have it be their objective to work their way up that list. They want the title because they want to set records. They doggedly pursue that specific championship, if they lose they get right back in pursuit of the belt, they don't just shrug and go after the IC title instead.
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Ambrose (351), Miz (321), and Cesaro (239) hold the three longest combined US title reigns. Take one of them and have it be their objective to work their way up that list. They want the title because they want to set records. They doggedly pursue that specific championship, if they lose they get right back in pursuit of the belt, they don't just shrug and go after the IC title instead.
It would be refreshing to see Miz "get serious" and go after a record like that. Especially if he loses it to someone he's got history with (maybe R-Truth?) and "snaps" on him because he is obsessed with the record.
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I have seen this rumour pop up in a few different places now, and I have to admit, I'm not that against it. Sure, it's not the ideal situation, and I generally am a strong believer of the Main Championship being showcased and defended on a regular basis. BUT, if they are going down the track of re-hiring Brock and keeping the title on him, I could see many worse scenario's playing out.

So yeah, share your thoughts on the situation. But can we please refrain from attacking other posters for their opinion. As always, a Tazz Dan thread is a safe thread. We're all entitled to our own opinion, and feel free to disagree with each other, but any flat out attacking posts for somebody else's thoughts will be deleted


I like the idea a lot. Cena and Bryan would do wonders for that division. The only other different scenario I would suggest, is to have Daniel Bryan win both the IC and US title and unify the belts. Bryan can bring massive credibility to the new division.


Cena doesn't really need either of those belts.
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Old 03-21-2015, 09:30 AM   #29
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So with Cena probably winning the U.S. Title, does that makes it the new 2nd tier belt and the IC belt "the random one".
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Old 03-22-2015, 08:59 PM   #31
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So with Cena probably winning the U.S. Title, does that makes it the new 2nd tier belt and the IC belt "the random one".
Not a foregone conclusion imo although could see Cena winning by DQ but Rusev still holding the title.

The US title was essentially a non-WWE creation so I'm not sure they would elevate it to that "2nd tier" level ahead of the IC title much in the way the Big Gold Belt was eventually viewed as 2nd to the WWE title and phased out completely or the way Sting is being referred to as the vigilante rather than the franchise or the icon and how they're not using his iconic crow-theme.
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I'd like to hear from the guys chasing the titles about why they specifically want to win that title. It seems to me like everybody just wants to be "be a champion." I really don't feel like anyone really needs to be champion more than anyone else.
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I'd like to hear from the guys chasing the titles about why they specifically want to win that title. It seems to me like everybody just wants to be "be a champion." I really don't feel like anyone really needs to be champion more than anyone else.
I think if we want to truly elevate the prestige of the titles then put it on individuals who are going to be pushed towards the main-event/WWE title picture.

I for one would love to see someone go from winning the US title, to unifying the IC title and then taking on the WWE whc and holding all three titles albeit until they decide to vacate the others. This is way I'm keen on the idea of prolonging Rusev's "undefeated streak" for as long as possible and other than Goldberg's "streak" at least we have been able to see Rusev's wins be they on Raw, Smackdown, PPV etc whereas Goldie seemed to go into triple digits overnight.
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I haven't been keeping a perfect record, but I think the US Champion actually fairs very well in matches against the IC Champion.
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They apparently want the IC Title to mean something, yet they ended the Barrett vs. Ambrose match at Fast Lane with a disqualification? Why not shift the title to Ambrose and have Barrett chase Ambrose in a feud that matters? Or why not have Ambrose simply earn the IC Title shot at Fast Lane and have Barrett attack him after the match? Everything rings a little bit hollow right now.
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They apparently want the IC Title to mean something, yet they ended the Barrett vs. Ambrose match at Fast Lane with a disqualification? Why not shift the title to Ambrose and have Barrett chase Ambrose in a feud that matters? Or why not have Ambrose simply earn the IC Title shot at Fast Lane and have Barrett attack him after the match? Everything rings a little bit hollow right now.
In my eyes the IC champions was always one the main contenders for the WWF/WWE title and if they could go back to those days that would be great.

I would like to see two World titles i.e. the WWE and WHC again especially in this day and age of the part-time wrestler era.
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I was calling for the unification of the WWE and World Heavyweight Championships, just because there was no active brand split anymore. Oddly enough, Cena had just won the WHT before it was retired, so it was probably the most relevant it had been in years.
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