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Old 03-18-2015, 08:22 PM   #1
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Rumoured Direction Of The Mid-Card Titles
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After talking to a few people today at the SmackDown tapings word going around is that Brock Lesnar is very close to agreeing on a new contract with the WWE. With the lack of popularity that Roman Reigns has received as of late, Triple H is pushing Vince on the idea of keeping the WWE Championship on Brock.

This would also have huge ramifications with two of the under card matches on the show.
If Brock retains the title it would in all likelihood mean a continued "special attraction schedule" for him. Triple H as of late has been big on the idea that the I.C. Title and the U.S. Title should mean something again. The plan, if Brock retains is to put the U.S. Title on John Cena and the I.C. Title on Daniel Bryan. The theory would be that two legit Superstars would bring legitimacy to both titles. Also, while Brock is gone both men can main event Raw, Smackdown, PPVs and house shows with those titles on top of the card. Which again, would bring back the legitimacy of both belts.

A lot can change between now and WrestleMania. But this is just one of the many ideas that are being discussed. I have not been told of any other ideas, but if I hear more, I will be sure to pass the information along to this great community.
I have seen this rumour pop up in a few different places now, and I have to admit, I'm not that against it. Sure, it's not the ideal situation, and I generally am a strong believer of the Main Championship being showcased and defended on a regular basis. BUT, if they are going down the track of re-hiring Brock and keeping the title on him, I could see many worse scenario's playing out.

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Old 03-18-2015, 08:25 PM   #2
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I see those guys coming out with the titles even if Reigns wins
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Old 03-18-2015, 08:26 PM   #3
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Definitely a "good idea" with "good intentions" but it probably wouldn't be so long until they start treating the US/IC titles as garbage again.
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Old 03-18-2015, 08:27 PM   #4
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Definitely a "good idea" with "good intentions" but it probably wouldn't be so long until they start treating the US/IC titles as garbage again.
I know. And maybe I'm just a continual delusional optimist, but I feel that if they stick with it, it could really work.
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Part of the problem is at this point the titles "drag these top guys down" unless they actually establish other guys as legit contenders. Like right now Bad New Barrett, R-Truth, Luke Harper, Stardust.... they all feel like they just plain shouldn't be in the same "division" as Daniel Bryan. Putting Bryan in with them isn't making those other guys "more legit", it is making Daniel Bryan "less legit".

That is for now.

I have said this before, but what they really need to do with at least one of these belts is to have someone hold it for a long time. I'm talking a year plus. I was hoping Dolph Ziggler was going to be that man.... to hold on to the IC title as a "fighting champion" that The Authority continually tries to screw and has him defend his title often... but he manages to survive every time and emerge victorious.
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Old 03-18-2015, 08:33 PM   #6
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Been saying for a while now, that the best way to redeem the useless midcard titles, would be to give them to top guys, and have them hold them for a good long while.
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Old 03-18-2015, 08:36 PM   #7
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Actually, imo they should do that for the IC title and make the US title akin to the European title. Give the lower card guys something to strive for besides more than 2 minutes on Main Event.
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Old 03-18-2015, 08:39 PM   #8
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I think this would work. IF the title reigns are long, the story lines are well written, and who the challengers are would be made to look strong.
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I concur. They need a title (IC) for those guys who are "top card"/"main event caliber" but who aren't involved with the World Title at the moment.

Then they need a belt below that one for the mid-card guys like Barrett, Harper, Truth, Stardust, etc....
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Old 03-18-2015, 11:41 PM   #10
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thought it said mid card titties for a second lol
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When is last time either title did matter iyo guys. Im curious
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thought it said mid card titties for a second lol
I thought your avatar said bobo's for a second lol
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Old 03-19-2015, 12:11 AM   #14
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The idea is great but also could have avoided the WWE title dilemma had it been done last year. Dirtsheets have been hinting the plan would be the IC belt becoming the main title of Smackdown and US title for RAW whenever Lesnar isn't around.

Only real concern I have is with the US title since the last time long term plans involved Cena being used for prestige boosting, it barely lasted a few weeks before suddenly getting dropped. If Reigns struggles post-Mania, can easily see the US belt plans getting shelved just like what happened to the Big Gold belt at the time.
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Old 03-19-2015, 12:14 AM   #15
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I still think it was the wrong time to combine the titles. Having a World title at the moment would be really useful, and would ideally be the title that the main event guys go for when Brock isn't around. The IC would be for the guys that are currently in the ladder match (bar Bryan) and the US for the guys who are in the battle royal.

You could have had Bryan going after the WWE title at Mania against Lesnar and Reigns going after Rollins and the authority, who could already have cashed in and be the World Champion.
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Heard this talked about on the PWTorchLive cast tonight. Seems like a good theory but never really used in practice.
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I like the idea but also feel that Rusev should hold on to the US title. Could lead to unifying the two.
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Looking at the IC title history.... had no idea that both Shelton Benjamin and Cody Rhodes beat Randy Orton's reign in length....
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I'd be game for this if it wasn't for the fact that WWE never follows through with shit like this. In a month they'll have forgotten and the belts will be more meaningless than they are now. Also if you're putting your two best guys on those titles it kinda leave the world title scene pretty empty.
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Why the fuck didn't they do this back in September after Lesnar was gone? These fucking people.
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I have seen this rumour pop up in a few different places now, and I have to admit, I'm not that against it. Sure, it's not the ideal situation, and I generally am a strong believer of the Main Championship being showcased and defended on a regular basis. BUT, if they are going down the track of re-hiring Brock and keeping the title on him, I could see many worse scenario's playing out.

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I agree that legitimacy needs to be restored to the titles but believe that the main title ought to be the main attraction of ppvs. Many people pay good money to attend or watch the events on ppv or the network and a US title main event just doesn't scream marquee.

I don't think Cena winning the U.S. title will restore its credibility if anything allowing Rusev to go on undefeated will.

I would say have Rusev beat Cena or have him lose by DQ but keep the belt. Then at Summer Slam or Night of Champions, he wins the IC title, then the Rumble then the WHC at Mania 32. Having a dominant champion brings credibility to the title rather than the star itself.

Bias aside they should have Lesnar lose rather than a part time champion. Having your champion appear sporadically demeans the belt further.
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Also maybe consider having the Andre Battle Royal winner get a title shot at a future ppv like Extreme Rules or whatever is after Mania.
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I've always wanted the us/ic titles to mean more during this era. If Brock being a part timer as a champion forces their hand to at least try something new I'm all for it.
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works for New Japan, Intercontinental title there is pretty much on par with the top belt, even headlined their WrestleMania last year. The IC belt in particular, Daniel Bryan could do great things with it. Keep the US title the same kind of level it is now and start treating the IC belt with the same kind of prestige as the WHC had, it has the legacy, names, nostalgia etc behind it.
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I keep seeing Rumoured direction of the mid card titties

Dean Ambrose etc
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I like the idea in theory. Basically echo the sentiments of CSL here for me. Jim Ross made a good point doing commentary for New Japan's WrestleKingdom this year: "Why would you want a title to be less prestigious than another?" Or something along those lines.

Daniel Bryan could win the IC Title and people could care about it more than the World Title. Cena could win the US Title for a fourth time and replica sales might skyrocket. You can do a segment where Cena and Bryan stand in the ring and shake each other's hand and declare they will be the best champions ever and represent their respective titles with honor and respect and what have you.

Something about it just doesn't seem right though...

I don't think Dean Ambrose should have lost the US Title when he did. The company could have made Ambrose defend the title more regularly and he could have cracked a year as champ. A slanted victory for Orton or even Batista would have made sense at this point in time. But they didn't do that -- they hot-shotted the title onto Sheamus -- and it was basically just there to keep him afloat until Rusev got it.

I feel like the current US Champion should be Jack Swagger. His character loves America and would love to be the US Champion. His hatred of Rusev should have pushed him towards the title more. I think as a former World Heavyweight and ECW Champion, he would have been plenty credible enough to breathe some life into the US Title -- without a full-time main eventer stepping down to win it.

Barrett was a fine choice as the Intercontinental Champion. They probably should have gotten Chris Jericho to come in and feud with him over the title and really "make him" as this era's definitive IC Champion. Barrett could talk about how he saw the title defended in the main event of SummerSlam '92 in his home country, so it's the real World Title to him. That being said, Dean Ambrose's recent push towards it was kind of interesting, and having him win the IC Title off Barrett, defend it against Jericho, and basically hold the title until he wins Money in the Bank in his home-state, cashes it in successfully and is forced to forfeit it would have been a nice way to imply the title launches main event careers.

I like it when titles mean something, but I'm not sure if Barrett losing every match he's in as champion and the title only sometimes being mentioned sometimes during the feud the champion is in is the way to go about it.
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Old 03-19-2015, 08:58 AM   #27
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I see those guys coming out with the titles even if Reigns wins
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When we had the wwe champion and world champ i thought it made sense to unify thrm and have the IC and US as the Raw/smackdown championships and have the world champ not be brand specific and defended less often. It builds prestige to all belts. Nice to see them take my idea 10 years after i thought of it.
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Old 03-19-2015, 10:44 AM   #29
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I would take this a step further... With NXT going with lighter superstars nowadays and focusing on talent. They should drop the US Title and make it a Light Heavyweight or Cruiserweight Title to ease the casual fan into accepting lighter world champions. Outside if Big E and Kevin Owens, all of the NXT champs have been less than heavy. Plus guys like Tyler Breeze, Bo Dallas, and even Fandango could have title reigns even if the gimmick isn't World Champ worthy...
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The US title is WCW trash and should find it's direction is bound for a dumpster.
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Old 03-19-2015, 12:24 PM   #31
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I would take this a step further... With NXT going with lighter superstars nowadays and focusing on talent. They should drop the US Title and make it a Light Heavyweight or Cruiserweight Title to ease the casual fan into accepting lighter world champions. Outside if Big E and Kevin Owens, all of the NXT champs have been less than heavy. Plus guys like Tyler Breeze, Bo Dallas, and even Fandango could have title reigns even if the gimmick isn't World Champ worthy...
Or a WWE Television title would do so you wouldn't have to have a weight class.
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I could get with the TV Title. Perhaps with the added wrinkle of a time limit. Or a winner must be declared after the 5 min mark, but before the 10 min mark.
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US Title is booked better than the IC title is now.
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I just want to see the uS Spinner Title just for one night on RAW if Cena wins...
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just no, fuck no, god no, you motherfucker, NO!
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Been saying this since forever, but the Intercontinental and United States championships haven't lost any prestige, we've all just grown up and see them for what they are.
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Old 03-19-2015, 04:42 PM   #38
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I agree that legitimacy needs to be restored to the titles but believe that the main title ought to be the main attraction of ppvs. Many people pay good money to attend or watch the events on ppv or the network and a US title main event just doesn't scream marquee.
You realise you pretty much agreed with what I said, right lol
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I liked the U.S. spinner belt

Bring that back JC
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I've no faith in them doing/maintaining this.
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