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Old 10-23-2016, 07:47 PM   #41
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Don't see how Broken Matt Hardy compares to Ellsworth really. I don't have a problem with either but Broken Matt Hardy is a lot more creative than this storyline.
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Also what's absurd about this storyline?
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Don't see how Broken Matt Hardy compares to Ellsworth really. I don't have a problem with either but Broken Matt Hardy is a lot more creative than this storyline.
Creative doesn't necessarily mean "good" though.

As for it being absurd, I mean you just had a man who looks like Tweety Bird in human form beat the world champion. You had James Ellsworth beat a man who has traveled the world, beaten the best in the business, and is supposed to be legit one of the best to ever step in the ring in AJ Styles. That is absurd. It's hilarious too, don't get me wrong. I mean I laughed so hard I nearly suffocated while watching it, but it's still completely bonkers and just plain stupid when you think about it. With DB or CM Punk at least you had this sense of believability because these were guys who had spent their whole lives traveling the world and perfecting their styles to prove the world wrong. With Ellsworth it's just some random dude who put on some tights and looks like he'd die just trying to go for a jog.
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Thank you, Wishbone. Broken Matt is worse, but this is unnecessary. All the excuses and justifications for it involve people saying that it's funny, or it's a device, or it's not to be taken too seriously. That's the sort of stuff Vince Russo used to say and probably still does.

As I've said either in here or in the SmackDown thread, this is emphasizing just how fucking golden AJ Styles is. BUT it doesn't need to be happening. You could have had Styles bloody up Ellsworth, mock his broken ass and refuse to beat him. Prior to the match have Ellsworth cut a promo saying that this is his dream and his only opportunity -- he doesn't want anyone to intervene on his behalf and he has signed a waiver saying he doesn't want the match stopped on a technicality.

Styles beats the absolutely living piss out of him. Children shield their eyes. Styles eventually puts Ellsworth in the Calf-Crusher and he has to tap away his dreams. Styles then slaps Ellsworth on the back of the head and says "I thought you had heart, huh?" and goes to do more damage before Dean Ambrose hits the ring, without looking too sympathetic towards Ellsworth (who got what he asked for) and Styles cockily swags his way to the back as medics come out to check on Ellsworth.

That would accomplish the build-up towards Styles vs. Ambrose without forcing the champion to drop falls. Maybe that's too serious for y'all? I don't know. But what I do know is that hearing that the World Champion has been losing to a jobber each week doesn't make me want to tune in.
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I've had more of a problem with Ambrose than I have anything Styles or Ellsworth has done. I mean Styles literally beat the shit out of Ellsworth the kadt two weeks and Ambrose is the one that gave him the wins. I was fine with the first one I think Styles should have won the second but a DQ is just as good. Abrose has been more heelesh than Styles recently though.
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I have a feeling we'll be seeing Heel Ambrose before too long. Maybe post-Mania next year? I can see him chugging along and hovering around the main event as a body heading into Mania, but I can't see any major plans involving him.
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PWInsider.com has learned there has been a push in the last week internally for WWE to sign James Ellsworth to a full-time deal, so don't be shocked to see him pop back up on WWE TV as soon as this week's Smackdown.

We are told that the merchandise sales for his t-shirt turned a lot of heads inside the company as has his popularity online, so if you bought a shirt, you may have helped him get a WWE contract.
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Yeah when this crap dies down and he's on Superstars I'm gonna laugh.
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Broken Matt Hardy kind of exists in its own little world. Ellsworth is way worse.
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You've got a point, Gerty, but Hardy doesn't exist in his own world enough.
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I had a thought about James Ellsworth today. Since it doesn't matter if he beats the World Champion, at this point you might as well have him win the Royal Rumble. I mean, what will it hurt? You have two guys fighting near the ropes (maybe Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose) so that Ellsworth can go out and dump them out last.

I mean, people want to see him beat AJ Styles more than John Cena or Dean Ambrose right? Why not let Ellsworth win the Rumble, but you know, not too strongly so nobody gets hurt, of course, and main event WrestleMania? Since there are two World Titles you don't need to have him close the show. Give him a special entrance at Mania -- it will be hilarious.

It will be a lot of the other guys eliminated each other from the Rumble, so it's not like he actually has to beat them. No one gets hurt. Everybody also says they want a really surprising Royal Rumble winner. No one would be more surprising than The Chinless Dream. And they've built it up so well.

WrestleMania is going to sell out anyway, so there will be plenty of people to pick up their ironic James Ellsworth t-shirts. I bet you they could be The New Day of this year's WrestleMania.

I mean, what's the harm, right? He can beat the champion, that much has been proven. Why not milk it for the emotional drama of whether or not he can do it at the biggest stage possible?
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People are actually acting like Ellsworth selling more t-shirts than the serious wrestlers is a good thing. People are making these outdated jokes about a jobber being a GOD and don't realize how surreal it is that this is the actual reality being presented on WWE television. Your jokes are SmackDown, folks.
It's a novelty act like when the song "What does the fox say" reached the top 10 in the billboard charts.
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Thank you, Wishbone. Broken Matt is worse, but this is unnecessary. All the excuses and justifications for it involve people saying that it's funny, or it's a device, or it's not to be taken too seriously. That's the sort of stuff Vince Russo used to say and probably still does.

As I've said either in here or in the SmackDown thread, this is emphasizing just how fucking golden AJ Styles is. BUT it doesn't need to be happening. You could have had Styles bloody up Ellsworth, mock his broken ass and refuse to beat him. Prior to the match have Ellsworth cut a promo saying that this is his dream and his only opportunity -- he doesn't want anyone to intervene on his behalf and he has signed a waiver saying he doesn't want the match stopped on a technicality.

Styles beats the absolutely living piss out of him. Children shield their eyes. Styles eventually puts Ellsworth in the Calf-Crusher and he has to tap away his dreams. Styles then slaps Ellsworth on the back of the head and says "I thought you had heart, huh?" and goes to do more damage before Dean Ambrose hits the ring, without looking too sympathetic towards Ellsworth (who got what he asked for) and Styles cockily swags his way to the back as medics come out to check on Ellsworth.

That would accomplish the build-up towards Styles vs. Ambrose without forcing the champion to drop falls. Maybe that's too serious for y'all? I don't know. But what I do know is that hearing that the World Champion has been losing to a jobber each week doesn't make me want to tune in.
To be honest I keep hoping Styles will end up kicking the shit outta Ellsworth like Eddie did to Rey (sadly that might end up being Dean)
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I do think this might be used to segue into a Dean Ambrose heel turn.
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But who is going to be their babyface? Randy Orton? It seems odd he'd stand up for Ellsworth. Cena? He's away. It really feels like SmackDown is spinning its wheels.
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Yeah when this crap dies down and he's on Superstars I'm gonna laugh.
So you're gonna laugh when this guy who had no business even in the idies is making good money and wrestling under contract for the WWE? I'm failing to see how him ending up on Superstars is such a bad thing. The dude still would have made an astronomical jump in his career that most guys only dream of. You're a really silly person.
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But who is going to be their babyface? Randy Orton? It seems odd he'd stand up for Ellsworth. Cena? He's away. It really feels like SmackDown is spinning its wheels.
I actually really like Ambrose being a babyface, but I do feel that he needs to step up his game. It's not really his fault though. It's the writing and booking that are bogging him down. It seems like they want him to be like Stone Cold, but for some reason they can't seem to actually write that kind of character.

Honestly Ambrose should have stayed on RAW and been the one in the position Seth Rollins is in now IMO. If you're gonna try to play him off as Stone Cold lite then he needs a Mr. McMahon lite to bounce off of. Having him be buddy-buddy with the authority figures of his show just ruins it.
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He's the new Hornswoggle.
Don't say that! WWE might have him win the Cruiserweight title and then retire it again!
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Don't say that! WWE might have him win the Cruiserweight title and then retire it again!
If only.
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Old 10-26-2016, 09:22 PM   #68
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I actually really like Ambrose being a babyface, but I do feel that he needs to step up his game. It's not really his fault though. It's the writing and booking that are bogging him down. It seems like they want him to be like Stone Cold, but for some reason they can't seem to actually write that kind of character.

Honestly Ambrose should have stayed on RAW and been the one in the position Seth Rollins is in now IMO. If you're gonna try to play him off as Stone Cold lite then he needs a Mr. McMahon lite to bounce off of. Having him be buddy-buddy with the authority figures of his show just ruins it.
Ambrose was white-hot at the start of the year. I think he should have won the WWE Title at Roadblock and put it on the line in a proper match against Lesnar. The timing of his recent stuff has just been odd. He's lost more and more steam, and his overall presentation still says that they are worried about his frame.

He does well with the WWE scripted style promo. As well as anybody could. He survives what they give him. But I honestly think he's more valuable being put back with Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins as The Shield again. It might seem like a step backwards, but they meant so much more when they were beating up The Rock and The Undertaker. Now they're all showing the holes in their game.
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Ambrose was white-hot at the start of the year. I think he should have won the WWE Title at Roadblock and put it on the line in a proper match against Lesnar. The timing of his recent stuff has just been odd. He's lost more and more steam, and his overall presentation still says that they are worried about his frame.

He does well with the WWE scripted style promo. As well as anybody could. He survives what they give him. But I honestly think he's more valuable being put back with Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins as The Shield again. It might seem like a step backwards, but they meant so much more when they were beating up The Rock and The Undertaker. Now they're all showing the holes in their game.
Yeah, with all three now essentially faces it'd be a decent enough time to put the band back together. However, I'm not really sure what you do with them once they're there. I mean there's no real force to put them up against. If the Wyatts weren't jokes now you could do something with that, or if New Day were still heels you could possibly do a short stint with them. Hell, they could have even done something interesting with the Club vs a face version of the SHIELD... I don't know. Without the Authority there's not much you can do with the SHIELD as faces.

I guess you could always turn them heel, but what kind of motivation is there to do that? Ambrose you could always write pretty easily. I mean he is supposed to be a lunatic after all so anything could make him "snap," but what about Rollins and Reigns? Reigns I guess could go the "the fans hate me so fuck 'em" route (though that'd be a little late to the game IMO,) but Rollins literally just turned after a really long buildup. I just don't see a heel SHIELD working at the moment.

Honestly I think WWE just wrote themselves into a corner at this point. There's really not many ways to right the ship without a full-on reshuffling of everything which would be really tough to pull off.
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Old 10-27-2016, 06:55 PM   #70
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If Ellsworth gets a contract but Kenny and Mikey don't, then there's something seriously wrong at WWE HQ.
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But if he does get a contract, I expect him to follow a similar route to Colin Delaney and just stick around for six months before being released as part of the WWE's annual spring cleaning.
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Old 10-28-2016, 03:30 AM   #74
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Would be a nice way to turn AJ into a more serious wrestler.
A.j. styles can't be taken as a serious wrestler.
He came from a wrestling organisation where the owner was the champion for many yes he tried to be the new rick flair failed at that got bored with TNA went to Japan got bored there and decided to come to the wwe where his 1st ppv he loses to a midcard Chris " sparkiecrotch" Jericho. A.j. is just the newest toy for the wwe child to play with until they get bored with him and down he sinks into the midcard wasteland.
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Can they please re-hire Johnny and have The Spirit Squad become a serious heel threat. Man, them vs. The New Day would actually be really cool. Johnny and Kofi even have the same finishers.
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Johnny quit the business a long time ago
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Might be a bit hard since he works for an accounting firm now.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnny-jeter-687b3467

Jeter mentioned in an interview he didn't want to interrupt his current work and doubt the WWE would be willing to spend the money needed to pry him away considering his low star power. All the people the WWE brought back for the new Brand Split were for really cheap amounts based on stories from others who rejected offers.
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