Triple H still drawing?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Joey Radd That may be why Hogan wont be back.

No, it's not. Because it didn't stop them from pushing him, despite its effect on ratings.

[Londoner]

You knowim gonna immediately shit on any arguments defending HHH right now. joey radd's argument is basically HHH still draws and is the best heel on Raw.
Well there are simple things to counter your argument with:

1) The reason why he is he top heel on raw is because basically he is the only heel on raw apart from Kane/Randy Orton who get like one show before each PPV to draw heat.

2)The reason why he still draws(in your opinion) is mainly down to the fact he gets the most hype, just look at how overhyped his match was with HBK, and look at how shit it turned out to be.I do have a problem with overhyping matches, just look at Lesnar V Goldberg.

3)Please do rememeber he is married to the bosses daughter, but let me guess that hardly gives an advantage does it?Hmmm.

4) The fact you even asked this question must put some doubt in your mind abotu whether he still draws or not.

I'm sure there are more arguments, just can't think of them right now so I'm done.

[HankScorpio]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Timmmmmmmme to fall asleeeeeeeeeep... ...ahhh

Fixed

Triple H doesn't draw.

His nose does.

[LK]

Originally posted by ThugLife You knowim gonna immediately shit on any arguments defending HHH right now. joey radd's argument is basically HHH still draws and is the best heel on Raw. Well there are simple things to counter your argument with: 1) The reason why he is he top heel on raw is because basically he is the only heel on raw apart from Kane/Randy Orton who get like one show before each PPV to draw heat. 2)The reason why he still draws(in your opinion) is mainly down to the fact he gets the most hype, just look at how overhyped his match was with HBK, and look at how shit it turned out to be.I do have a problem with overhyping matches, just look at Lesnar V Goldberg. 3)Please do rememeber he is married to the bosses daughter, but let me guess that hardly gives an advantage does it?Hmmm. 4) The fact you even asked this question must put some doubt in your mind abotu whether he still draws or not. I'm sure there are more arguments, just can't think of them right now so I'm done.

I can't disagree with anything that you have said.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by ThugLife You knowim gonna immediately shit on any arguments defending HHH right now. joey radd's argument is basically HHH still draws and is the best heel on Raw. Well there are simple things to counter your argument with: 1) The reason why he is he top heel on raw is because basically he is the only heel on raw apart from Kane/Randy Orton who get like one show before each PPV to draw heat. 2)The reason why he still draws(in your opinion) is mainly down to the fact he gets the most hype, just look at how overhyped his match was with HBK, and look at how shit it turned out to be.I do have a problem with overhyping matches, just look at Lesnar V Goldberg. 3)Please do rememeber he is married to the bosses daughter, but let me guess that hardly gives an advantage does it?Hmmm. 4) The fact you even asked this question must put some doubt in your mind abotu whether he still draws or not. I'm sure there are more arguments, just can't think of them right now so I'm done.

1) Kane doesn't even really count as a top heel. His history of being squashed, his inability to survive a rollup. Orton's so vanilla it's not funny. Triple H is the only one with some believability (mostly because he refuses to job so often), and some personality (Though not much, but he beats out ORton).

Still, being the king of a pile of shit isn't really much better than just being in the pile of shit for any other reason.

2) In relation, it's like saying the BAckstreet Boys or Linkin Park are the best/most entertaining bands because they "draw" a lot. Well, when someone is aggressively pushed, they're gonna be big, not because they are great, but because they're a well-known name. Triple H doesn't draw on ability anymore, he draws on the fact that it's the Triple H show, even without the title.

3) Totally irrelevent.

4)

In other words, good post.

[tucsonspeed6]

So for all of the people who think that if HHH wasn't the main focus of the show he wouldn't draw a single guy, what would happen if he were a jobber? If the world were turned upside down and the only main eventers out there were highflying luchadores, while all of the jobbers were the heavyweights and the hosses, this site would be full of whining about "Rey Mysterio doesn't even do legitimate moves anymore!" and "What ever happened to old school wrestling?" and "They should push the submission style wrestlers more!" Well....I think Shadow would be happy at least. But this still doesn't answer the question about HHH.

To quote Thuglife:

1) The reason why he is he top heel on raw is because basically he is the only heel on raw apart from Kane/Randy Orton who get like one show before each PPV to draw heat. 2)The reason why he still draws(in your opinion) is mainly down to the fact he gets the most hype, just look at how overhyped his match was with HBK, and look at how shit it turned out to be.I do have a problem with overhyping matches, just look at Lesnar V Goldberg. 3)Please do rememeber he is married to the bosses daughter, but let me guess that hardly gives an advantage does it?Hmmm. 4) The fact you even asked this question must put some doubt in your mind abotu whether he still draws or not.

1: I can't say that you're wrong here. YOu could be right, but your logic is "This magic rock keeps away tigers" which is supported by the fact that there are no tigers around. Main Eventers will always get more airtime because they're such big draws. Hence why Eddie Guererro got the push to main event recently. So the question is whether or not HHH was a draw before he was a main eventer. It's kinda a "duh" question because we all know that he was. Hell, he was my favorite wrestler for the longest time (up until his injury). So it's more likely here that HHH gets his airtime because he's a draw, rather than the other way around.

2: You just mentioned my arguement against this one. Was Goldberg/Lesner overhyped? It was deffinately hyped, but there's no way in hell it was hyped more than HHH/HBK. And I doubt that one feud can have a "hype capacity" that is any different from another. So why does HHH continue to draw where as Goldberg would eventually lose his heat? It's because we, the fans are not idiots (well...except for Shadow and Goldbird maybe...) We understand that a match between two guys who won't perform is going to suck. Even the marks know that much. HHH has been going on as strongly as he has because he can perform in the ring, while Goldberg would eventually fizzle once people stopped carrying him through his matches.

3: He was drawing even while he was dating the man-beast, Chyna. There were months there where he had retained his push even whilst being lazy in the ring that your arguement would hold up better, but he's shown some change in recent months. I believe he's been more entertaining than before, and even though he's still fat and slow, he can still cut a promo and can hold his own in the ring. Main Event status? sure...but hopefully they'll keep the title off of him for a while. It's refreshing to see him humbled.

4: Or is it the fact that you defend it so ferociously that shows that you're stuck in old ways of thinking that you can't adapt to changes in the wrestling world? What I'm saying here is that your last arguement doesn't hold water. Maybe he asked the question to get people to reassess their old stereotypes of HHH. Maybe by throwing out the question he could get some lively debate on the issue and freshen up this damn wrestling forum from the old "Grumble grumble...Vince is ruining wrestling...grumble grumble... push Maven... grumble grumble... titles don't carry the image they used to..."

[Kane Knight]

which is why Benoit's gotten so much airtime of late, right? Weak argument at best there.

[John la Rock]

Yes Trips is still a draw. He's the most established wrestler in the WWE and still is the best heel. His promo this past week was arguably his best ever. I agree with Joey when it comes to HHH. He deserves to be where he's at. HHH/HBK should have been the main-event for Bad Blood. I think more people wanted to see that match then Benoit/Kane even if it was HIAC or not. Evolution is also great

And buy the way Chris Benoit should have lost the belt by now. The guys is a wrestler and ONLY a wrestler. There is no way Benoit should get more air time unless he wrestlers 5 matches a night.