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Old 07-12-2004, 02:19 AM   #41
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Nah, it's going to be a slow turn. Innovater just told me that Evolution, minus Orton, came out to help HHH in is match. So, it's pretty obvious HHH is going to be pissed at Orton for not being there. Well, I hope they do that. Shoud be fairly intersting. I say HHH and Orton have their match at Mania 21
Yeah I think thats as close to a gurantee as youre going to get (waits as LC books tix to LA for Mania). The only question I have is which guy will turn babyface. All along Ive been assuming it would be Orton (he's young, arrogant, etc) but the more I see and hear of Orton, the more I think the fans will turn him baby.
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Old 07-12-2004, 02:24 AM   #42
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Yeah I think thats as close to a gurantee as youre going to get (waits as LC books tix to LA for Mania). The only question I have is which guy will turn babyface. All along Ive been assuming it would be Orton (he's young, arrogant, etc) but the more I see and hear of Orton, the more I think the fans will turn him baby.
I wish I could go to Mania. Otherside of the country though. Anyway, yeah, I have been assuming Orton would stay heel all along too, but each week, more and more, it looks as if Orton will turn on Evolution and go babyface. Now, I actually wouldn't mind this. I would've at first cause Orton as a heel rules, but I can see this thing play out in my head and I can see Orton as the "standing up to his abusive mentor" kind of thing and I see this working. If Orton goes babyface though, I see him winning the Title at Mania. And not the IC Title folks.
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Old 07-12-2004, 02:27 AM   #43
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I see him winning the Title at Mania. And not the IC Title folks.
I don't think he'll go for the womens title. It'll ruin him.
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Old 07-12-2004, 02:28 AM   #44
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Orton had already established his reputation by being the longest reigning IC champ in the past 7 years. In that regard, I don't think taking the belt off of him was necessarily a bad idea.

HOWEVER, I don't think the belt suits Edge. I would rather prefer Benjamin holding the belt, but the WWE originally had high hopes for Edge before his injury. In fact, if Edge wasn't injured, he would've gotten the main event push Guerrero got earlier this year.

Personally, I don't find Edge entertaining.
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Old 07-12-2004, 02:30 AM   #45
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Orton had already established his reputation by being the longest reigning IC champ in the past 7 years. In that regard, I don't think taking the belt off of him was necessarily a bad idea.
Who had it longer 7 years ago jerret?
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Old 07-12-2004, 03:02 AM   #46
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He should have lost it to Shelton last month. I can only hope that the only reason Edge won was that Shelton got hurt because otherwise it makes the second racist angle in as many years where the white racist comes out on top.
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Old 07-12-2004, 03:26 AM   #47
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Its really dumb because its not like he's going to get the World Title anytime soon (wont be till Mania).
WM 21? Sorry to break it to you, but no chance it hell. Mark my words. I'd be stunned if he was even in a world title match next mania.
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Old 07-12-2004, 03:35 AM   #48
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LC, how about someone posting Randy's Titiantron in memory of his IC run?
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Old 07-12-2004, 03:43 AM   #49
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Its really dumb because its not like he's going to get the World Title anytime soon (wont be till Mania).

He could have continued to get wins on guys like Edge (they could ahve made it a cheap win, to keep Edge's heat for HHH), Jericho and Benoit after he drops the World Title.

Only good that come of it is if Orton gets it back next month in say a Ladder Match. But then if they go in that direction, why even take the title off him in the first place?
Pushing towards the breakup of Evolution?

I dunno. It's the most sense I can make of the situation.
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Old 07-12-2004, 03:47 AM   #50
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I have no problem with people I like dropping titles, but people I like droping titles to wrestler's who are moderatly over = .
I'm not sure he's even moderately over, really.

The fact that he was getting fewer and softer pops than the HEEL in the match kind of make you wonder. When it came down to cheering a talented, charismatic heel with a strong gimmick or wrestling a middling face with no gimmick (Admittedly, I think Edge could be a lot better than he is...), they went for Orton. Maybe this is a sign?

Of course, the WWE doesn't understand signs and portents. It didn't matter that Mordecai was putting people to sleep until he actually dozed off in one of his matches...Good thing SD!'s taped, yeh>?
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Old 07-12-2004, 12:23 PM   #51
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I don't really mind that the IC title has been taken off of Orton. However I hate the fact that Edge has it. HE has been so boring since he returned and it would have been better if they had given the title to Benjamin or maybe Jericho since he isn't getting near the title any time soon.
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Old 07-12-2004, 12:28 PM   #52
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Old 07-12-2004, 12:30 PM   #53
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Edge was good before he got injured, now he's crappy, it happens to everyone that comes back after a year or just under.
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Old 07-12-2004, 12:38 PM   #54
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Yeah, but he's still cool, so just give him time to shake off the ring rust. Not everyone's The Rock ya know.

It was a great run, but maybe now we'll see that Orton/HHH feud everyone's been rumoring about.
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Old 07-12-2004, 12:48 PM   #55
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C'mon, no one really thinks Orton should be the World champion in a long, long time if ever, right?
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Old 07-12-2004, 12:53 PM   #56
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Orton will be the World Champion but probably not for another year and a half if they keep pushing him like they are right now.
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Old 07-12-2004, 02:06 PM   #57
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Orton should not be headlining WM 21, far too early.
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Old 07-12-2004, 02:10 PM   #58
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On December 14, 2003...a young man by the name of Randy Orton got the one up on then Champion Rob Van Dam to capture not only the Title, but also our imaginations. He gave way to a promising new future for the number one wrestling company in the world, and gave all fans a frash new era to live through. Randy Orton went on to hold that very same Intercontinental Championship for an incredible 209 days. He was wrongfully robbed of the oportunity to give to the belt, what he had given to the fans. We take this time to honor Randy Orton and his wonderful contributions to the Intercontinental Championship...and indeed the entire world of wrestling.
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Old 07-12-2004, 02:14 PM   #59
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Actually, seeing how Cena has been losing heat with his huge pushes, it's understandable why Orton got "depushed" just this once...but to EDGE?!? To quote Rick Flair, "I'm gonna throw up!"
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Old 07-12-2004, 07:39 PM   #60
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Its really dumb because its not like he's going to get the World Title anytime soon (wont be till Mania).

He could have continued to get wins on guys like Edge (they could ahve made it a cheap win, to keep Edge's heat for HHH), Jericho and Benoit after he drops the World Title.

Only good that come of it is if Orton gets it back next month in say a Ladder Match. But then if they go in that direction, why even take the title off him in the first place?
Gotta disagree here.
I think it's a great move.
And I also think that Orton will get it back before Summerslam.

If Orton had retained the title, I was gonna post a discussion thread titled: Does Orton Devalue the IC Title?

Basically I think that because Orton has held the title for so long, that it's denied other wrestlers the opportunity to get recognised as being at that level, and because he's always won, either by cheating or by that lame ass 'snatch-victory' move, he's never looked like he's been better than anyone else.

For me recently the IC Title has held less value than it should, so if they've dropped it to Edge, it brings Edge up and makes him more legitimate when challenging for the main event.

We've all said for ages that RAW needs more main-event challengers, apart from HHH/HBK, and the only way to give them credibility is by giving them victories over others, and one of the best, proven methods is by giving them a loan of the IC Title.


Anyway, Orton will have the strap back before Summerslam, and Edge will move on to someone else.
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Old 07-12-2004, 08:11 PM   #61
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That was such a great match (besides the 15 minute submission spot by Orton), and near the end I was cheering when both men got near falls. Orton was a great champion, and this will only lead to another great match between the two. I think they will push Orton to the world title within 2 years. I salute you, Randy Orton!
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Old 07-12-2004, 08:40 PM   #62
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Technically, Randy came three days short of a seven-month title reign. But, check out the company having a six-month title reign puts him in:

Pat Patterson (July '79-April '80)
Ken Patera (April '80-December '80)
Pedro Morales (December '80-June '81)
Don Muraco (January '83-February '84)
Tito Santana (February '84-September '84, July '85-February '86)
Greg Valentine (September '84-July '85)
Randy Savage (February '86-March '87)
Honky Tonk Man (June '87-August '88)
Mr. Perfect (November '90-August '91)
Shawn Michaels (October '92-May '93)
Razor Ramon (September '93-April '94)
The Rock (December '97-August '98)
Randy Orton (December '03-July '04)

That's not bad company to be in.
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Old 07-12-2004, 09:32 PM   #63
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Not at all. I think Randy Orton deserves to be in that spot.

And right now, I think Edge's an OK person to take it off him. This could be
another Rock-HHH in the making of sorts. Though, only one thing...I know
a lot of people don't like it, but could Orton please add the O-Zone back
to his moveset?
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Old 07-12-2004, 09:40 PM   #64
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I'm not a huge Orton fan, but I must say that he gave more credibility to the IC title just through his promos than anybody has in a very long time. If for nothing else, Orton needs to be looked at as an example of how a wrestler can inject credibility into a title that's been suffering for it.
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Orton pissed tonight he's gonna explode on HHH
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