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12-27-2004, 05:31 PM
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12-27-2004, 07:13 PM
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WTF do you want?
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12-27-2004, 07:27 PM
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I have seen quite a bit of offensive pass interference this year actually. The Vikings got called for it quite a bit.
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12-27-2004, 09:01 PM
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I'm not sure how you figure he lost composure against San Diego. I mean he pretty much won the game by chasing the punt team off and keeping his composure. He's clutch.
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12-27-2004, 11:53 PM
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Well obviously New England fans have a strong bias against the Colts, just like me for the Packers or White Sox, so everything they are saying has to be taken with a grain of salt
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12-28-2004, 04:20 AM
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WTF do you want?
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Did you watch the game? He was doing his "Derek Lowe" as I call it. Shaking his head, talking to himself, pulling a Dan Marino by yelling at everyone else when he made a mistake, he looked whiney and confused, same way he looks when he plays the Patriots, like he just can't believe nothing is working. again, as I also said, something happened at 1/2 time and he pulled it together which is something he hadn't done before. When he starts beating good teams, in big games and perferable on the road, then you can call him "clutch" till then he ain't done crap to be called "clutch". I'd still like to see a break down of those 4th qtr comebacks... how many points were they down, who were they playing, and where the games were. I bet you'll find most those games were against bad teams and/or at home. I still agree he's a great QB, but unless he can win the big games and at least make a superbowl 10yrs from now, people will be having the same debate between him and Brady as they do now between Marino and Montana. Clearly, Marino had the better "skills" but Montana won the big games, stay'd calm under pressure, etc... Back when Marino play'd his teams were like the Colts, great offense most years and an average defense. Which makes it more of a comparaison. Quote:
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12-28-2004, 09:02 AM
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Sunteti chiar prost?
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Manning is a flat-track bully. Plus look at how he pads his stats by calling his own number rather than James in the red zone.
If he's so good then why hasn't he won the super-bowl? whenever the heat is on he folds like a pack of cards. It is also the biggest non-record out there. Talk about hype over nothing. VEL - it isn't just the 5 yard rule. But look at the other things that DB's could do in the 1970's and 80's that they can't do now. No stickum. Bump and run was bump and run all the way. As per usual the media gets all wet over a total non-event. |
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12-28-2004, 09:43 AM
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WTF do you want?
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12-28-2004, 11:53 AM
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So bumping a WR after 5 yards, is that defensive pass interference, or illegal contact, and whats the difference between those two
 ?I understand that the O-line has to like block and push, but not grab and hold them outside the shoulders, i've seen WRs hold people though I think. So like in theory, a DB could just lay out a WR on the line of scrimmage and that's legal? I can understand the rule, since if a DB could do what he wanted after any amount of yards, a WR would never be able to catch the ball. It never seems to be a fair matchup with WR vs. CB to me really. |
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12-28-2004, 11:54 AM
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Crows Before Hoes
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Oh yeah, how do you know like which guys are eligible as recievers, because i've seen penalties on guys catching the ball when they were a blocker or something, and teams being in an "illegal formation", I never really get what that is all about.
 And when they have a guy in motion, I dunno why they do that either. 
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12-28-2004, 05:47 PM
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WTF do you want?
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Stima's refrence may be a little fresher then mine (young whipper snapper).
Yes, at the line a DB can throw a block/hit onto a WR and knock him down. Reason it doesn't happen much is there's a better chance of the DB missing on a big hit like that from a standstill and the WR burning him, so you typically see a "bump" meaning they give a push off while they start to run. After 5yds it's pass interferance which I believe is the same or a form of "illegal contact" but in the case of a DB it's called as pass interferance, where other positions would have "illegal contact" Illegal formation, there has to be 7 offensive player on the line of scrimmage to start every play, if you have 6 it's a 5yd penalty. man in motion, once players are set (not moving) one player may move from left to right or right to left. He can not go forewards and only one player can be in motion at a time, so say a WR goes in motion he has to come to a complete stop before someone else could go in motion and he can go side to side, but can't turn up tword the line of scrimmage. In the old days, I think the head coach at Michigan had a great offense where the player would be going full speed and turning up field at the snap and getting a hand off. Hope the info helps. |
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12-28-2004, 05:52 PM
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WTF do you want?
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interesting article from the Washington Post w/ stats.
Summary: 5yds rule started in 78, was never really enforced, except 1984. Through week 14, 164 illegal contact this season Last year through week 14 only 66 Scoring is 43.1/per game, 4th highest in 37yrs Scoring was 41.7/per game last year. Total yds up 20yds/game over last year. passing up 23yds/game 5th highest total ever. and talks about what I said earlier that when Marino set his record they also we're emphasizing the rule. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Dec24.html i |
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12-28-2004, 07:22 PM
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Crows Before Hoes
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OK, that kinda explains it all, thanks
 Now I understand everything except the onside kick 
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12-28-2004, 07:29 PM
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WTF do you want?
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 point is to get the ball back, usually done near end of game when you just scored and you need to score again. Ball is live, unlike a punt where the ball is dead till the rec team touches it. The live ball, must go at least 10yds (someone correct me if it's not 10). After 10yds the kicking team can recover. Inside 10yds it must touch a member of the receiving team for the kicking to to recover. If it goes out of bounds inside 10yds, it's a penalty and a rekick (not sure if they move the kick back or just make you re-kick). Once every few years on a kick off, he Kick Returner will walk past the goal line, letting the ball go past him assuming it's going to go out the back of the endzone for a touchback. Of course, 99% of the time this happens, one in awhile, usualy a brain fart by the kick returner and usually in college they forget the ball is live and walk away and the kicking team recovers in the end zone which is a touch down. |
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12-29-2004, 02:38 AM
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I did that to somebody in Madden once. It was one of the best moments of my life.
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12-29-2004, 02:44 AM
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12-29-2004, 02:46 AM
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This is different, when you do it to somebody sitting right next to you and get to laugh in their face, it is the greatest thing ever.
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12-29-2004, 02:50 AM
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brothas gonna work it out
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Laughing in people's faces is one of my favourite things.
Anyway, I haven't played Madden 2005 yet since our PS2 has been down but I was planning on getting it Now I don't know if I will ever get the chance again.
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12-29-2004, 02:51 AM
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Usually, the WR's, TE, and running backs are eligible recievers. While offensive lineman arent. That can change though due to the amount of guys on one side of the formation and shit like that. I am not even totally sure though  An illegal formation can be too many mean on the line, or not enough. You need 7 guys "on the line" so you have your 5 offensive lineman on the line, then you need 2 others. Thats why you see certain wideouts point to the offical when they want to be "on the line" becuase the ref gives them a spot and they put there foot on it to show they are on the line. Also, I think there needs to be 3 guys on the line on the opposite sides of the center. I am not totally sure about that one, but I am pretty sure there. That would be an illegal formation also. There is more examples aswell. |
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12-29-2004, 02:53 AM
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Can't you tell the refs that you are eligable before the play?
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12-29-2004, 02:56 AM
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yeah I thought I saw on a game this weekend that just passed that before the play the ref annouced so and so on the O-line was eligable
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12-29-2004, 02:59 AM
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Yeah, well you can throw in another offensive tackle in at tight end for blocking. But lets say the tackle is number 77...77 isnt an eligable number, so since he is in a eligable reciever spot you say something to the ref.
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12-30-2004, 10:31 PM
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Crows Before Hoes
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The thing about onside kicks I don't get though, if its just a kick that goes 10 yards and is up for grabs, why is it deemed so difficult for the team kicking it to recover it? All you have to do is run and jump up and catch it
Like the ones i've seen (except the one dallas kicked and recovered) the guy just kicks it to the other team, and they just catch it. I think it has to hit the ground first, because that like makes it live or whatever, and people can call for a fair catch I think |
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12-31-2004, 03:23 AM
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It doesn't have to hit the ground first.
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12-31-2004, 01:42 PM
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12-31-2004, 05:00 PM
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The most succesful is when the kicker makes it go end over end and it bounced high in the air, gives the team a chance to get there and go for it. |
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12-31-2004, 06:28 PM
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