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Old 01-02-2005, 07:01 PM   #41
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RVD's on the Legends of Wrestling game. I guess he's a legend to somebody somewhere. But then again, so is Sabu, and that's just crap.
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Old 01-02-2005, 07:28 PM   #42
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RVD's on the Legends of Wrestling game. I guess he's a legend to somebody somewhere. But then again, so is Sabu, and that's just crap.
LOL, I was actually thinking of that game when I posted "even though some peopel probably already consider him one." or something along those lines.
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Old 01-02-2005, 07:29 PM   #43
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Michaels is one of the greatest, but your arguements as to why others aren't the best suck.
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Old 01-02-2005, 08:03 PM   #44
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Putting drawing power aside for a minute, I would argue Bret Hart was the most valuable wrestler the WWE has ever had. Bret Hart was in the WWE for about 13 years. He missed one show, one show through his whole career. He was over in not just the United States, but the rest of the world too. And not many guys in the WWE were over in other countries back then. When someone was dropping the ball as champ, (i.e. Diesal, HBK,) they would put Bret Hart with those guys and give Bret the Title back. Bret was like a quick fix for the company when it came to the Title. The WWE always thought they could replace Bret with someone else, but he always kept coming back.

Also, Bret defended the Title against anyone without no complaints. He fought guys like 123 Kid, Hakushi, Pierre Lafeit (sp) for the Title and still put asses in the seats, eventhouth those guys were mid-carders. You think Hogan, Austin, HBK would of done that?

Bret worked his ass off for 13 years and never gave you anything less then 110%. When Davey Boy showed up at Summerslam 92 all blown up and completely out of shape, Bret carried that match to a 5* match. When Backlund was given the oppurtunity to have one last run with the Title in 94, Bret gladly stepped down. When HBK got to go home before Wrestlemania 13 and work out and rest every single day for a couple of months before Wrestlemania, Bret was still working in the WWF with guys like Taker and Diesal. How did they expect Bret to go one hour when he's working with these slower guys? Bret didn't get the rest for that Iron Man match and still gave a great preformance. Bret was about as hard a worker as the WWE has ever had. PERIOD.
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Old 01-02-2005, 09:32 PM   #45
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Old 01-03-2005, 01:27 AM   #46
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Putting drawing power aside for a minute, I would argue Bret Hart was the most valuable wrestler the WWE has ever had. Bret Hart was in the WWE for about 13 years. He missed one show, one show through his whole career. He was over in not just the United States, but the rest of the world too. And not many guys in the WWE were over in other countries back then. When someone was dropping the ball as champ, (i.e. Diesal, HBK,) they would put Bret Hart with those guys and give Bret the Title back. Bret was like a quick fix for the company when it came to the Title. The WWE always thought they could replace Bret with someone else, but he always kept coming back.

Also, Bret defended the Title against anyone without no complaints. He fought guys like 123 Kid, Hakushi, Pierre Lafeit (sp) for the Title and still put asses in the seats, eventhouth those guys were mid-carders. You think Hogan, Austin, HBK would of done that?

Bret worked his ass off for 13 years and never gave you anything less then 110%. When Davey Boy showed up at Summerslam 92 all blown up and completely out of shape, Bret carried that match to a 5* match. When Backlund was given the oppurtunity to have one last run with the Title in 94, Bret gladly stepped down. When HBK got to go home before Wrestlemania 13 and work out and rest every single day for a couple of months before Wrestlemania, Bret was still working in the WWF with guys like Taker and Diesal. How did they expect Bret to go one hour when he's working with these slower guys? Bret didn't get the rest for that Iron Man match and still gave a great preformance. Bret was about as hard a worker as the WWE has ever had. PERIOD.
No one is taking anything away from Bret's workrate or talent, but that aside he really has nothing else going for him, other than he has remained in our minds as one of the best wrestling technicians ever.

Hart is easily a legend, but I wouldn't say he's the best ever. He deserves a lot of credit for what he did, but that's inside the wrestling circles, outside of it Hart is just "one of the best ever".
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Old 01-03-2005, 01:35 AM   #47
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Just wondering, Alienoid, what exactly are the other needed criteria besides workrate and talent in order to be a legend?
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Old 01-03-2005, 02:00 AM   #48
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Just wondering, Alienoid, what exactly are the other needed criteria besides workrate and talent in order to be a legend?
None, I said Hart is a legend, but he's not the greatest ever. You can't exactly measure somebody by who's better technical-ability wise anyway. A lot of people think Bret is the best wrestler ever, but some people will argue Angle over him. Guys like Hogan and Austin are single-handedly responsible for increasing wrestling's popularity. These two will get my vote for greatest ever (Austin takes first place, because he was the better wrestler, IMO), while Hart, Angle, Michaels, Benoit, etc. will go down as legends, in my book, but they'll be only honourable mentions next to Hogan and Austin.
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Old 01-03-2005, 02:18 AM   #49
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Bret Hart is the greatest of all time.
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Old 01-03-2005, 03:02 AM   #50
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Bret Hart is the greatest of all time.
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Old 01-03-2005, 10:53 AM   #51
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I'll take Bret Hart on my roster over any of those guys any day of the week. With Bret, I know he'll always be there, he'll always do what's asked (yea, let's not even go their) and he won't fuss over spilled milk. LIKE I SAID MOST VALUABLE. Most Valuable doesn't translate into greatest of all-time, (which I think he is anyway) but if I were a boss, Bret is my #1 pick for the company.
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Old 01-03-2005, 11:31 AM   #52
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I'd never call Michaels a the greatest legend but you can tell that lots of people seem to be fond of him at the moment by watching Raw at the moment. I think he is a legend and he will be remembered by lots of fans but I doubt that he will ever have as much recognition as people like Hogan, Austin, Rock, Hart, or even Kane because he was out for four years and the WWE was at its peak IMO around the year 2000 and HBK was of course not around at the time. Of course he will gain a lot more popularity at the moment but I don't think a great amount of people will think of him right away when they think of the WWE.
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Old 01-03-2005, 12:01 PM   #53
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I guess the whole Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels rivalry really will always be talked about.
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Old 01-03-2005, 05:40 PM   #54
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Even though Austin has always been my favourite wrestler (he was the reason I cheered the Alliance, then I noticed RVD and cheered him for being RVD, not because he was Alliance) and I consider Stone Cold a legend of the sport, the biggest legend in the history is going to have to be...









...Bret "Hitman" Hart. Whenever I used to come on here and people were worshipping the quicksand he walked on I used to think "What's so special about him?" Then I borrowed WrestleMania XII and Survivor Series 1997 from a friend of mine. All I can say is.. wow! He really is "The best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be".

I'm just upset I didn't watch wrestling earlier in life to appreciate Bret at the time.

My personal list of legends goes:

1. Bret Hart
2. Steve Austin
3. Hulk Hogan
4. The Rock
5. Shawn Michaels
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Old 01-03-2005, 05:43 PM   #55
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Ya know it's funny. Bret didn't do what Austin did, or Hogan..in terms of making wrestling huge..but when you talk about Bret now you kind of almost look at him as if he's on a higher level then a guy like Austin.
There is a certain mystique about Bret that keeps him right up there.
Personally in wrestling circles, you put the rock and Bret in the same ring together, and I'm looking at Bret as the bigger name.
He draws that attention amongst the wrestling fans. I'm not just talking about those casual fans that hopped on the bandwagon during their boom period. I mean just look right now..Bret has been gone for 7 years from the wwf, and about 4 or so from wrestling altogether. He still gets talked about way more then many currently in the company and definitely moreso then the rock, who comes back from time to time..

He may not have been the most popular wrestler of all time, but among his fans, I dont think there are any more loyal to a single wrestler.
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when will that happen?
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