DISCUSSION - Is it best for business for Triple H to head to Smackdown after WM-21?

[The CyNick]

Bret actually put Austin over week after week after week, Ive yet to see Hunter do that with anyone, so no, your comparison has no validity. Beyond that, there were early indications that Austin was getting over in terms of house show numbers and merchandise sales.

But even with Austin, it took well over a year of having Austin kill everyone before he actually started to make a big impact in TV and PPV numbers. Nobody on RAW will ever get that kind of push as long as HHH is around.

And again you talk about guys on SD having no credibility, but you are just being biased, because the exact same thing can be said for the RAW guys. Eddie is the only guy in the company who has shown an ability to increase ticket sales, and he's on SD.

Guys on RAW will always have the issue of HHH to deal with. As long as he's around, nobody will get over on him, and nobody will become a star like Austin did with Bret. With Hassan, I dont see how beating Jerihco will mean anything, because Jericho is a worthless character right now, just like everyone else.

On SD there are still problems because of Taker, and to a lesser extent Angle, but at least Angle will JOB, and Taker can be fed telentless big guys to allow others to get over.

[Loose Cannon]

Funny, I was just watching some old Raw's with the Harts and Austin a second ago and Austin got the advantage countless times. Bret definately established Austin as a "main guy." I wish we had more Bret Harts right now.

Going off topic a little, I just read that Bret wanted to put Benoit over in the Owen Tribute match, but management said no. Bret = Pure Class.

[The CyNick]

I remember talking about this with you (well everyone), about the Austin-Bret deal in comparison to Orton-HHH. And if you look at that from the surface you might look back and say "Bret didn't do anything for Austin because Austin never beat him". But like you just said, if you watched the RAWs from that time, almost every week Austin beat the crap out of Bret, and the whole Hart Foundation for that matter. Thats what got Austin over to the masses.

On RAW now, how often do you see HHH get punked out? Even with Orton, who they were trying to make as the #1 baby in the company, HHH was getting over on him more than 50% of the time. Thats not what you call giving someone a rub, or putting them over.

Now Orton is dead as a face.

So they have a chance to do something with Batista, and we'll see what happens. But my guess is that by next summer we'll be talking about how they blew their chance to make Batista a huge star.

[Heyman]

:::::white flag:::::

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I hope they don't screw up Batista, but I see it coming. HHH will just feud with him and win it back at Summerslam. I'm just praying that Batista wins the Title and Orton turns heel somwhere between here and Mania. The they do an Orton/Batista program. Throw Edge in there maybe. Maybe even have Orton lead a stable to make the odds against Batista. Then set up your Orton/Cena after that. I just want to see HHH out of the Title picture.

[The CyNick]

See I had that hope last year when they teased HHH to SD for that one show.

I remember watching that RAW and thinking, wow the RAW title picture is going to be really interesting without HHH. Okay the SD title picture will kinda suck, but I thought with Eddie's popularity they wouldn't give up on him. Of course that ended up being very wrong.

This year I have the same feeling. If HHH were out of the picture for a year or two, the comany would be very interesting, but with him there, on either side (RAW or SD) that side becomes very boring to me.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon yea, I hope they don't screw up Batista, but I see it coming. HHH will just feud with him and win it back at Summerslam.

Perhaps.

That's why I posed the original question, "Is it best for Triple H to head to Smackdown after WM-21?"

-Assuming that the WWE wants Triple H to break Flair's record, the WWE could just send Triple H over to Smackdown. Again - don't get me wrong. I'm *NOT* a fan of Triple H dominating the business over and over again. Sending HHH to SD however, would allow guys like Batista, Edge, and Orton to be dominate the main-event spots on RAW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Heyman Is this really true? I DO know that RVD punctured Triple H's throat one time in an Elimination Chamber match, but I never really followed RVD in ECW (I only watched the WWF(E) at the time). Did RVD injure many people in ECW? From the sounds of it, he was a big hit down there.......and had legendary matches with Jerry Lynn, etc. I'm not sure HOW unsafe RVD is. but was it really worth NOT having him as a main-eventer? (a guy who was waaaay over in 2001). He may not be Bret Hart, but he's not exactly Hardcore Holly or Ahmed Johnson either. Hell - Goldberg was a shitty and somewhat unsafe worker for WCW, but the guy drew money. Given a re-push of RVD (as a heel?), I still contend that RVD could do the same for the WWE.....at present day.

I didn't see RVD work in ECW either, but I'm just going by his early WWE days. I can't really remember it that well, but I don't think it was unusual to see an opponent of RVD to walk to the back with a blood nose.

It was nothing too serious, but I can see why Vince McMahon may have no wanted to push this guy who just came in form another company and has caused a bit of a backstage stir to being World Champion. He got his shot in the main event, and his then the WWE have "Jericho'd" this guy, in that he's always in that limbo between mid-card and main event where he just picks up countless IC Titles.

As a heel, the sky is the limit for RVD, and I really hope he does get that chance to (re)shine.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Heyman Perhaps. That's why I posed the original question, "Is it best for Triple H to head to Smackdown after WM-21?" -Assuming that the WWE wants Triple H to break Flair's record, the WWE could just send Triple H over to Smackdown. Again - don't get me wrong. I'm *NOT* a fan of Triple H dominating the business over and over again. Sending HHH to SD however, would allow guys like Batista, Edge, and Orton to be dominate the main-event spots on RAW.

Now I cannot disagree with what The CyNick and Loose Cannon have presented either, and I think the question "Would Triple H going to SmackDown! help SmackDown!?" is a dead one, but "Would Triple H going to SmackDown help RAW!" is still one worth discussing.

As already stated, the lack of a politcal figure (except for maybe HBK) would probably help RAW immensly. Guys like Edge, Orton, Batista, Benoit, Jericho and Christian get all the TV time.

With Edge going over HBK, and Batista going over Triple H, you have the next generation officially pass the older one, and you have more of a revolution of superstars taking the spotlight, instead if Triple H-Wrestler A, Triple H-Wrestler-B, etc. Programs like Orton vs. Jericho could headline the show, while Batista and Edge work another program elsewhere. That top tier of superstar is spread across the roster, instead of holding maybe one segment of the TV program (and a few interviews from Triple H along the way).

I don't think there is any doubt RAW would be a much more atmospheric place with Triple H gone, but is there any POSSIBLE way SmackDown! can benefit from this? Maybe somehow Triple H's politics may bring attention to the show? Dead characters may get some necissary tweaks fromt he writers along the way?

I don't know, but there's just something about Triple H that I think would make SD! a more colourful environment. Maybe it's just how much I am entertained by the prospect of Eddie and Hunter feuding? I don't know, but I don't think SmackDown! would be ruined if Triple H went over there.