HHH Appreciation Thread - Page 2

**Loose Cannon** · 01-30-2005, 06:18 PM

Also, Backup has arrived

**Thriller** · 01-30-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Fly

Good gawd, LC.

And here I was getting ready to rip this topic a new asshole. I'll be brief. Pretty much everything LC has said up to this point is right.

And John la Rock's last statement about Benjamin is just wrong. Over on Smackdown there was sorta this tag team called the World's Greatest Tag Team. You know, Haas & Benjamin? Also went by Team Angle? They had innovative double team moves? Maybe you've heard of them? Benjamin had been impressive as a singles and a tag wrestler on Smackdown long before HHH "made him a star". Maybe if you noticed during that supposed star-making match, Benjamin had to tone down his mat-based style in favor of more brawling because HHH couldn't keep up.

Sure he impressed people but no one gave a shit about him.did you hear that pop when he went to Raw no?niether did i.As for the match.its called wretling an is the art of telling a story.Not a spot fest

**Funky Fly** · 01-30-2005, 06:29 PM

Don't get me wrong, I respect HHH's ability to put on a good match (mostly through psychology, since he hasn't been the same since the injury), I just can't stand one guy being the focal point of the show, champion or not.

**Funky Fly** · 01-30-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thriller

Sure he impressed people but no one gave a shit about him.did you hear that pop when he went to Raw no?niether did i.As for the match.its called wretling an is the art of telling a story.Not a spot fest

Since when has mat wrestling been a spotfest? WGTT had 2 spots and rarely used both in the same match. We're not talking RVD here. If anything, Benjamin has more spots now.

**John la Rock** · 01-30-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

So John La Rock. This is what I'm getting from you.

HHH is the only big star on Raw right now and is the only guy who can make people stars? Is this a fair enough statement?

No of course HHH is not the only big star on Raw. But he is the most effective wrestler at getting guys "over". not by jobbing in particular because he rarely jobs but by a hot feud.

Who would you say is the most effective wrestler at making people stars? On Raw that is

**Loose Cannon** · 01-30-2005, 07:27 PM

I see your point there. In a way I do agree HHH is probably, along with Taker, the only two guys that can create stars. Actually, I only think Taker is the only guy right now at this moment. HHH's stock has dropped drastically past 2 years because he'll put someone "over," but then beat him right back. That's really getting nothing done. Look at Warrior/Hogan as an example. Warrior pinned Hogan cleanly at Mania 6, but Hogan didn't come back and pin Warrior 4 months later. It went to Slaughter like 9 months later. That is how it should work. HHH needs to step aside for a year and see how things go. He doesn't need to be in the main event scene.

**Loose Cannon** · 01-30-2005, 07:29 PM

But it's the WWE's fault for not putting guys over like a HHH or Taker. And those two have a big part in that backstage.

**Hired Hitman** · 01-30-2005, 08:17 PM

Alright let me put my two cents worth

*ahem*

I appreciate what Triple H has done, I appreciate all the injuries all the bad falls everything that he has done to entertain the fans.

He does great promos; one of my favourites was when he beat the living crap out of William Regal with the sledge hammer, laid next to him, covered in blood talking to him; then the scene of him washing the blood off his hands. That is the Triple H I want to see, because for that moment, I felt like Triple H was the best damn thing EVER.

But now he has become rather plain, I see the same promos; the same matches, the same reasons for storylines everything is the same. He is a great talent for sure, one of the best there ever was, and I agree that he is one of the biggest stars in the WWE today.

However he needs to slide down and let other people have a shot at the main event scene, it�s true that Wrestlers build themselves into Superstars but they need to be placed in the main event to get the attention growing superstars need.

Chris Benoit- Great wrestler, barely any charisma but what a great fan base this guy has people respect him for all the hard work he has done over the years, the reaction from the crowd when he had the world title and was main eventing was out of this world.

Then once Shawn Michaels and Triple H became the main event at most shows Benoit lost that main event feeling that made people like him, Benoit did not "drop the ball" he had a connection with the fans, the fans knew who he was. But what he didn't have was the main event, you need to keep your World Champion in the main event or else the title will be worth nothing.

Chris Jericho- Jericho was great back when he won the titles he was getting great reactions, he had the skills needed to be a main eventer and he also had the charisma to make any promo great. He is a perfect sports entertainer He was simply awesome at being a face but he was even better as a heel, he knew what to say, what to do, how to move to get the reaction he wanted and he still does, all he needs is to be focused on more by the people, put him in the main event scene and see how he does, I for one think he will be the next great one.

I can see somebody like Christian who looks like he has everything needed to be in the main event scene, a good look, great attitude, good charisma, a cocky smile, already has a catchphrase �My Peeps� and already has a heel chant �C.L.B.�, sure that he looks smaller than the rest but I can see Christian as the next Shawn Michaels and by that I mean a smaller guy in the main event.

I don�t think Triple H is as bad as people make him out to be, the WWE writers are taking the easy way to create a great main event by putting an already solid wrestler and have him beat somebody else, it works sure, but after awhile it hurts both the fans and the company, there needs to be new stars made so the next generation can keep things flowing and putting Triple H or Shawn Michaels in the main event all the time wont do that.

I agree that Triple H is one of the best right now, but that doesn�t mean he has to be in the picture all the time, too much of a good thing is bad.

The WWE need to learn that to make somebody a threat they need to show something that is considered a threat, Like when Shelton Benjamin beat Triple H, that was a big deal, but when Triple H beat Shelton Benjamin, Benjamin had nothing left to be considered a threat and has lost focus.

I think I will end this with a quote:

Superstars are like plants, once you plant them they look great, water them to show their greatness, but you need to keep watering them every once and awhile or they will die.

**Londoner** · 01-31-2005, 06:23 PM

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I can see somebody like Christian who looks like he has everything needed to be in the main event scene, a good look, great attitude, good charisma, a cocky smile, already has a catchphrase �My Peeps� and already has a heel chant �C.L.B.�, sure that he looks smaller than the rest but I can see Christian as the next Shawn Michaels and by that I mean a smaller guy in the main event.

I totally agree, but i don't think the WWE does.the music helps though, it kinda reminds me of HBK's music.

**Thriller** · 01-31-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

I see your point there. In a way I do agree HHH is probably, along with Taker, the only two guys that can create stars. Actually, I only think Taker is the only guy right now at this moment. HHH's stock has dropped drastically past 2 years because he'll put someone "over," but then beat him right back. That's really getting nothing done. Look at Warrior/Hogan as an example. Warrior pinned Hogan cleanly at Mania 6, but Hogan didn't come back and pin Warrior 4 months later. It went to Slaughter like 9 months later. That is how it should work. HHH needs to step aside for a year and see how things go. He doesn't need to be in the main event scene.

With that point keep in mind that things were alot different.Only 4 PPVs a year ,no big cable tv shows.f you look at it that way Warrior only had 2 sucessful title defenses in 9 months,and slaughter not even having 1.Theses days the champ is defending the belt every other week.Meaning a monthe long title reign these days is just as credible if not more so credible the 10 years ago

**Loose Cannon** · 01-31-2005, 08:12 PM

I don't think a month reign is credible at all. Orton had it for a month and when hr lost to HHH, what happened? Did he come off stronger? Nope.

Benoit had the Title for a long time, but was he the main focus of the show? Nope

Goldberg had the Title for longer than Orton and less than Benoit, but where did he go when HHH beat him? Certaintly not back into the Title picture.

To me, Title Reigns mean nothing today because eventually everything goes back to HHH. If you're fine with this because you think HHH deserves to win the Title all the time, then fine. But I just don't see it that way. I'm mean look at this:

Raw Title History from Sept 2, 2002

Hunter Hearst Helmsley September 2, 2002 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 30
Shawn Michaels November 17, 2002 New York City, New York 31
Hunter Hearst Helmsley (2) December 15, 2002 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 32
Bill Goldberg (2) September 21, 2003 Hershey, Pennsylvania
Hunter Hearst Helmsley (3) December 14, 2003 Orlando, Florida 33
Chris Benoit (2) March 14, 2004 New York City, New York 34
Randy Orton August 15, 2004 Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Hunter Hearst Helmsley (4) September 12, 2004 Portland, Oregon 35
Hunter Hearst Helmsley (5)

^^MAKES ME SICK

**Loose Cannon** · 01-31-2005, 08:17 PM

Look, I don't mind HHH. Just get the fuck away from the Title and let somebody else have a chance at the top heel spot. That's all.

**Thriller** · 01-31-2005, 08:27 PM

The bottom line for me is that i dont see much difference between the multiple title reigns of HHH and that of Flair and Hogan.Except for the fact that Hunter is married to Steph.If he wasn't married to Steph would it be as controversial.I highly doubt that.With Orton ,th he didnt get the reaction WWE wanted for him hence giving at back to HHH(or so my opinion)HHH has proven he can carry the ball.You can say he hogs the spotlight thats your opinion.But there is no other heel who you can give that belt to on Raw that would make much sense.If Orton had beaten Trips for the title as opposed to beating Benoit it wouldve been more of a push to him.Up until recentally the plan was for him to win it back at Mania which would have given him back the momentum he lost.Now if HHH beat Benoit for the title i could uderstand a bit more but he didnt,he beat a champ that wasnt ready.

**Loose Cannon** · 01-31-2005, 08:37 PM

alright

That's your opinion and I respect it, but your in a very little monority there. This discussion is just going to go round and round. The numbers on Raw speak for themselves the last 3 years. Business has not picked up and HHH still remains in the top spot. I don'r know, if I was running things there, I would change some things up a little pertaining to who gets most of my airtime on Raw and who is in that top spot. I won't keep the same guy in there when things don't continue to improve after three years.

Oh and Orton was getting one hell of a reaction as a heel. But since HHH didn't want to go babyface, they turned Orton face instead and...Goodbye Orton. Certainly put the nail in the coffin when he lost to HHH a month after getting the Title.

**Thriller** · 01-31-2005, 08:44 PM

Your right this will go round and round but you gotta admit it is entertaining lol

01-30-2005, 06:18 PM	#41
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Also, Backup has arrived

01-30-2005, 06:29 PM	#43
Funky Fly The Satanic Mechanic Posts: 52,521	Don't get me wrong, I respect HHH's ability to put on a good match (mostly through psychology, since he hasn't been the same since the injury), I just can't stand one guy being the focal point of the show, champion or not.

01-30-2005, 07:27 PM	#46
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I see your point there. In a way I do agree HHH is probably, along with Taker, the only two guys that can create stars. Actually, I only think Taker is the only guy right now at this moment. HHH's stock has dropped drastically past 2 years because he'll put someone "over," but then beat him right back. That's really getting nothing done. Look at Warrior/Hogan as an example. Warrior pinned Hogan cleanly at Mania 6, but Hogan didn't come back and pin Warrior 4 months later. It went to Slaughter like 9 months later. That is how it should work. HHH needs to step aside for a year and see how things go. He doesn't need to be in the main event scene.

01-30-2005, 07:29 PM	#47
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	But it's the WWE's fault for not putting guys over like a HHH or Taker. And those two have a big part in that backstage.

01-30-2005, 08:17 PM	#48
Hired Hitman The Next Great One н� Posts: 18,684	Alright let me put my two cents worth ahem I appreciate what Triple H has done, I appreciate all the injuries all the bad falls everything that he has done to entertain the fans. He does great promos; one of my favourites was when he beat the living crap out of William Regal with the sledge hammer, laid next to him, covered in blood talking to him; then the scene of him washing the blood off his hands. That is the Triple H I want to see, because for that moment, I felt like Triple H was the best damn thing EVER. But now he has become rather plain, I see the same promos; the same matches, the same reasons for storylines everything is the same. He is a great talent for sure, one of the best there ever was, and I agree that he is one of the biggest stars in the WWE today. However he needs to slide down and let other people have a shot at the main event scene, it�s true that Wrestlers build themselves into Superstars but they need to be placed in the main event to get the attention growing superstars need. Chris Benoit- Great wrestler, barely any charisma but what a great fan base this guy has people respect him for all the hard work he has done over the years, the reaction from the crowd when he had the world title and was main eventing was out of this world. Then once Shawn Michaels and Triple H became the main event at most shows Benoit lost that main event feeling that made people like him, Benoit did not "drop the ball" he had a connection with the fans, the fans knew who he was. But what he didn't have was the main event, you need to keep your World Champion in the main event or else the title will be worth nothing. Chris Jericho- Jericho was great back when he won the titles he was getting great reactions, he had the skills needed to be a main eventer and he also had the charisma to make any promo great. He is a perfect sports entertainer He was simply awesome at being a face but he was even better as a heel, he knew what to say, what to do, how to move to get the reaction he wanted and he still does, all he needs is to be focused on more by the people, put him in the main event scene and see how he does, I for one think he will be the next great one. I can see somebody like Christian who looks like he has everything needed to be in the main event scene, a good look, great attitude, good charisma, a cocky smile, already has a catchphrase �My Peeps� and already has a heel chant �C.L.B.�, sure that he looks smaller than the rest but I can see Christian as the next Shawn Michaels and by that I mean a smaller guy in the main event. I don�t think Triple H is as bad as people make him out to be, the WWE writers are taking the easy way to create a great main event by putting an already solid wrestler and have him beat somebody else, it works sure, but after awhile it hurts both the fans and the company, there needs to be new stars made so the next generation can keep things flowing and putting Triple H or Shawn Michaels in the main event all the time wont do that. I agree that Triple H is one of the best right now, but that doesn�t mean he has to be in the picture all the time, too much of a good thing is bad. The WWE need to learn that to make somebody a threat they need to show something that is considered a threat, Like when Shelton Benjamin beat Triple H, that was a big deal, but when Triple H beat Shelton Benjamin, Benjamin had nothing left to be considered a threat and has lost focus. I think I will end this with a quote: Superstars are like plants, once you plant them they look great, water them to show their greatness, but you need to keep watering them every once and awhile or they will die.

01-31-2005, 06:23 PM	#49
Londoner One Of A Kind Posts: 22,178	Quote from the post above: I can see somebody like Christian who looks like he has everything needed to be in the main event scene, a good look, great attitude, good charisma, a cocky smile, already has a catchphrase �My Peeps� and already has a heel chant �C.L.B.�, sure that he looks smaller than the rest but I can see Christian as the next Shawn Michaels and by that I mean a smaller guy in the main event. I totally agree, but i don't think the WWE does.the music helps though, it kinda reminds me of HBK's music.

01-31-2005, 08:12 PM	#51
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I don't think a month reign is credible at all. Orton had it for a month and when hr lost to HHH, what happened? Did he come off stronger? Nope. Benoit had the Title for a long time, but was he the main focus of the show? Nope Goldberg had the Title for longer than Orton and less than Benoit, but where did he go when HHH beat him? Certaintly not back into the Title picture. To me, Title Reigns mean nothing today because eventually everything goes back to HHH. If you're fine with this because you think HHH deserves to win the Title all the time, then fine. But I just don't see it that way. I'm mean look at this: Raw Title History from Sept 2, 2002 Hunter Hearst Helmsley September 2, 2002 Milwaukee, Wisconsin 30 Shawn Michaels November 17, 2002 New York City, New York 31 Hunter Hearst Helmsley (2) December 15, 2002 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 32 Bill Goldberg (2) September 21, 2003 Hershey, Pennsylvania Hunter Hearst Helmsley (3) December 14, 2003 Orlando, Florida 33 Chris Benoit (2) March 14, 2004 New York City, New York 34 Randy Orton August 15, 2004 Toronto, Ontario, Canada Hunter Hearst Helmsley (4) September 12, 2004 Portland, Oregon 35 Hunter Hearst Helmsley (5) ^^MAKES ME SICK

01-31-2005, 08:17 PM	#52
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Look, I don't mind HHH. Just get the fuck away from the Title and let somebody else have a chance at the top heel spot. That's all.

01-31-2005, 08:27 PM	#53
Thriller Posts: 697	The bottom line for me is that i dont see much difference between the multiple title reigns of HHH and that of Flair and Hogan.Except for the fact that Hunter is married to Steph.If he wasn't married to Steph would it be as controversial.I highly doubt that.With Orton ,th he didnt get the reaction WWE wanted for him hence giving at back to HHH(or so my opinion)HHH has proven he can carry the ball.You can say he hogs the spotlight thats your opinion.But there is no other heel who you can give that belt to on Raw that would make much sense.If Orton had beaten Trips for the title as opposed to beating Benoit it wouldve been more of a push to him.Up until recentally the plan was for him to win it back at Mania which would have given him back the momentum he lost.Now if HHH beat Benoit for the title i could uderstand a bit more but he didnt,he beat a champ that wasnt ready.

01-31-2005, 08:37 PM	#54
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	alright That's your opinion and I respect it, but your in a very little monority there. This discussion is just going to go round and round. The numbers on Raw speak for themselves the last 3 years. Business has not picked up and HHH still remains in the top spot. I don'r know, if I was running things there, I would change some things up a little pertaining to who gets most of my airtime on Raw and who is in that top spot. I won't keep the same guy in there when things don't continue to improve after three years. Oh and Orton was getting one hell of a reaction as a heel. But since HHH didn't want to go babyface, they turned Orton face instead and...Goodbye Orton. Certainly put the nail in the coffin when he lost to HHH a month after getting the Title.

01-31-2005, 08:44 PM	#55
Thriller Posts: 697	Your right this will go round and round but you gotta admit it is entertaining lol