Huge WM21 Spoilers - Page 2

**The CyNick** · 02-25-2005, 09:17 PM

Yeah you dont need to have Orton cheat to turn him.

An awesome thing would be for Taker to lose clean and then extend a hand, Orton could go to shake and then drop Taker with another RKO. That'll turn him right there.....or it might make him the biggest face in the company....no wait, shows not in Toronto.

**Volchok** · 02-25-2005, 09:47 PM

i read that Orton begged them to keep him face...

**The CyNick** · 02-25-2005, 10:04 PM

Yeah I read that too, dont know if its true, but I read it.

He's just better as a heel, thats the bottom line.

**Loose Cannon** · 02-25-2005, 10:23 PM

I can see why. He's seen the business and probably realizes that switching back and forth quickly like this isn't really a good thing. Angle did this all the time. Booker is another one and Eddie is about to switch again. But Orton sucks as a face and is really good as a heel, so it's really a no-brainer here.

**Fox** · 02-26-2005, 04:55 AM

Actually, I've read that Eddie Guerrero is going to remain a face and his match against Rey will be another face vs. face encounter. Kind of ridiculous to have all these face/face showdowns considering a good guy vs. bad guy storyline is so much easier (and often more interesting) way to build up a feud.

I think Randy needs to turn heel again to get back over to where he was before Summerslam. His face turn has been a complete and total flop - period. He has every reason to turn heel, from a storyline perspective and from a real life perspective as well. He's a white meat baby face, but he's not good enough on the mic to make it work. His heel persona is so much better, because he is a good looking guy, and he does have a lot going for him, and when he brags about it it generates instantaneous heat.

Not to mention the fact that if he does go into Mania against Taker as a face, he's going to get booed out of the arena during the match. This won't be a Rock vs. Hogan type match where the fans go back and forth throughout, and both men come out as huge faces when its over. If Orton tries to play the face role throughout and actually wins clean, and then decides not to use this to his advantage to boost his cocky heel image, the fans are going to shit all over it.

Besides, a heel Randy Orto with a big victory over an established legend like The Undertaker makes him the perfect person to step up against Batista after he wins the title at Mania. I really don't see any way that that plan could fail.

I guess we'll see how things develop in the next few weeks.

**The CyNick** · 02-26-2005, 01:02 PM

Yeah there are a lot of potential face vs face matches on this show.

Face vs Face can be great (Austin v Rock) but it can also make for a dead crowd, as the fans dont want to take sides.

However, I do think this could be used for an angle at Mania.

The way it looks they'll have 3 face-face matches; Benoit-Jericho, Rey-Eddie and Orton-Taker. With the Benoit and Eddie matches I would have them set up similarly, they tag, they have some falling out, leads to a match at Mania.

At Mania after the Benoit-Jericho match we get a handshake to bury the hatchet, ditto for Rey-Eddie (crowd in LA should eat this one up), I would even have a handshake at the end of the Angle-HBK match. Even though were by no means friends, I would have them do a true respect handshake. Say when HBK extends his hand to Kurt, the commentators could say "well we've seen displays of respect in the previous two matches, but I dont expect that here". But Kurt does in fact shake his hand.

That leads to Taker-Orton. Few will expect Orton to win, but of course he will (should I mean). Fans should be a little shocked by this, and Taker could get up after the loss, look all mean like and spin Orton around...dramatic pause.....extends the hand. Commentators say "well this has been a night about respect, and now its Orton's turn to show respect". Orton grabs Takers hands, shakes it, pulls him back in and spits in his face!!! Orton then hits the RKO and does his "I'm a prick" pose over Taker.

I think that would be a cool way to turn him, and it makes the other matches (which should be just great matches on their own) part of a larger overall story for the night.

**Fox** · 02-26-2005, 06:39 PM

I read somewhere that it might be Jericho and Benoit vs. Hassan and Divari at Mania.

Great way to use their top two technical wrestlers.... a tag match against a cherry and a non-wrestler.

**The CyNick** · 02-26-2005, 11:00 PM

Yeah thats a pretty bad idea.

I mean if they want to do a tag, why not just have Hassan and Davari against Tajir and Regal, at least that could be for the tag titles. Then let Benoit and Jericho have their match.

**Kane Knight** · 02-26-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Sunday Night

I read somewhere that it might be Jericho and Benoit vs. Hassan and Divari at Mania.

Great way to use their top two technical wrestlers.... a tag match against a cherry and a non-wrestler.

From being the Champion at WMXX to fighting Davari at WM 21.

**Aussie Skier** · 02-27-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

It's going to be face vs face. No time to build it up as Heel/babyface. But, I think there going along these lines. Orton beats Taker, I hope cleanly and with the RKO. Orton celebrates like he just won the million dollar jack pot. He's jumping around the ring and going crazy while Taker is still down. Taker gets to his knees and puts his hand out for Orton to help him up. Orton helps him up....BAM ANOTHER RKO. Orton then spits on him and does that pose right over him and says "The Legend Killer is Back."

^Markout

Now thats awesome!

gotta spread some rep dude

**Aussie Skier** · 02-27-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight

From being the Champion at WMXX to fighting Davari at WM 21.

God I hate the WWE sometimes

**John la Rock** · 02-27-2005, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

It's going to be face vs face. No time to build it up as Heel/babyface. But, I think there going along these lines. Orton beats Taker, I hope cleanly and with the RKO. Orton celebrates like he just won the million dollar jack pot. He's jumping around the ring and going crazy while Taker is still down. Taker gets to his knees and puts his hand out for Orton to help him up. Orton helps him up....BAM ANOTHER RKO. Orton then spits on him and does that pose right over him and says "The Legend Killer is Back."

^Markout

good stuff LC

XL · 02-28-2005, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Sunday Night

I read somewhere that it might be Jericho and Benoit vs. Hassan and Divari at Mania.

Great way to use their top two technical wrestlers.... a tag match against a cherry and a non-wrestler.

Now is it me or have people on this forum posted about how good Divari is in the ring???!??

Some said better than Hassan and that it was a shame that he was portraiyed as such a weak ass character e.g. by jumping on people's backs and running away etc.

02-25-2005, 10:23 PM	#44
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I can see why. He's seen the business and probably realizes that switching back and forth quickly like this isn't really a good thing. Angle did this all the time. Booker is another one and Eddie is about to switch again. But Orton sucks as a face and is really good as a heel, so it's really a no-brainer here. Last edited by Loose Cannon; 02-26-2005 at 10:57 AM.

02-25-2005, 09:17 PM	#41
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	Yeah you dont need to have Orton cheat to turn him. An awesome thing would be for Taker to lose clean and then extend a hand, Orton could go to shake and then drop Taker with another RKO. That'll turn him right there.....or it might make him the biggest face in the company....no wait, shows not in Toronto.

02-25-2005, 09:47 PM	#42
Volchok L.G. Fuad Posts: 4,834	i read that Orton begged them to keep him face...

02-25-2005, 10:04 PM	#43
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	Yeah I read that too, dont know if its true, but I read it. He's just better as a heel, thats the bottom line.

02-26-2005, 04:55 AM	#45
Fox "Ask him!" Posts: 10,072	Actually, I've read that Eddie Guerrero is going to remain a face and his match against Rey will be another face vs. face encounter. Kind of ridiculous to have all these face/face showdowns considering a good guy vs. bad guy storyline is so much easier (and often more interesting) way to build up a feud. I think Randy needs to turn heel again to get back over to where he was before Summerslam. His face turn has been a complete and total flop - period. He has every reason to turn heel, from a storyline perspective and from a real life perspective as well. He's a white meat baby face, but he's not good enough on the mic to make it work. His heel persona is so much better, because he is a good looking guy, and he does have a lot going for him, and when he brags about it it generates instantaneous heat. Not to mention the fact that if he does go into Mania against Taker as a face, he's going to get booed out of the arena during the match. This won't be a Rock vs. Hogan type match where the fans go back and forth throughout, and both men come out as huge faces when its over. If Orton tries to play the face role throughout and actually wins clean, and then decides not to use this to his advantage to boost his cocky heel image, the fans are going to shit all over it. Besides, a heel Randy Orto with a big victory over an established legend like The Undertaker makes him the perfect person to step up against Batista after he wins the title at Mania. I really don't see any way that that plan could fail. I guess we'll see how things develop in the next few weeks.

02-26-2005, 01:02 PM	#46
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	Yeah there are a lot of potential face vs face matches on this show. Face vs Face can be great (Austin v Rock) but it can also make for a dead crowd, as the fans dont want to take sides. However, I do think this could be used for an angle at Mania. The way it looks they'll have 3 face-face matches; Benoit-Jericho, Rey-Eddie and Orton-Taker. With the Benoit and Eddie matches I would have them set up similarly, they tag, they have some falling out, leads to a match at Mania. At Mania after the Benoit-Jericho match we get a handshake to bury the hatchet, ditto for Rey-Eddie (crowd in LA should eat this one up), I would even have a handshake at the end of the Angle-HBK match. Even though were by no means friends, I would have them do a true respect handshake. Say when HBK extends his hand to Kurt, the commentators could say "well we've seen displays of respect in the previous two matches, but I dont expect that here". But Kurt does in fact shake his hand. That leads to Taker-Orton. Few will expect Orton to win, but of course he will (should I mean). Fans should be a little shocked by this, and Taker could get up after the loss, look all mean like and spin Orton around...dramatic pause.....extends the hand. Commentators say "well this has been a night about respect, and now its Orton's turn to show respect". Orton grabs Takers hands, shakes it, pulls him back in and spits in his face!!! Orton then hits the RKO and does his "I'm a prick" pose over Taker. I think that would be a cool way to turn him, and it makes the other matches (which should be just great matches on their own) part of a larger overall story for the night.

02-26-2005, 06:39 PM	#47
Fox "Ask him!" Posts: 10,072	I read somewhere that it might be Jericho and Benoit vs. Hassan and Divari at Mania. Great way to use their top two technical wrestlers.... a tag match against a cherry and a non-wrestler.

02-26-2005, 11:00 PM	#48
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	Yeah thats a pretty bad idea. I mean if they want to do a tag, why not just have Hassan and Davari against Tajir and Regal, at least that could be for the tag titles. Then let Benoit and Jericho have their match.