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Old 02-23-2005, 04:29 PM   #1
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Thanks to reader Sean Freeman for the following:

I just saw a pretty interesting commercial for Wrestlemania on the FX Network in Atlanta, GA. This new Wrestlemania commercial not only clearly stated what matches will take place but also who will make a "special" guest appearance.

The following matches, according to the commercial, are scheduled to take place:

1) Triple H vs. Batista for the World Heavyweight Title
2) JBL vs. Cena for the WWE Title
3) Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle
4) Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker

Even though the first three matches seemed to be a lock for the card, we now can clearly add Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker to that list. I guess the rumors to the Randy Orton heel turn may actually have some truth to them.

Also, there will be a special guest appearance by none other than STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN! I guess that "movie" relationship had a little bit more to it.

credit - http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/in...ines/111176501

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Old 02-23-2005, 04:46 PM   #2
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:01 PM   #3
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still wondering how there going to do the Orton/Taker match...
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:06 PM   #4
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It's going to be face vs face. No time to build it up as Heel/babyface. But, I think there going along these lines. Orton beats Taker, I hope cleanly and with the RKO. Orton celebrates like he just won the million dollar jack pot. He's jumping around the ring and going crazy while Taker is still down. Taker gets to his knees and puts his hand out for Orton to help him up. Orton helps him up....BAM ANOTHER RKO. Orton then spits on him and does that pose right over him and says "The Legend Killer is Back."

^Markout
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:10 PM   #5
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:11 PM   #6
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It's going to be face vs face. No time to build it up as Heel/babyface. But, I think there going along these lines. Orton beats Taker, I hope cleanly and with the RKO. Orton celebrates like his just won the million dollar jack pot. He's jumping around the ring and going crazy while Taker is still down. Taker gets to his knees and puts his hand out for Orton to help him up. Orton helps him up....BAM ANOTHER RKO. Orton then spits on him and does that pose right over him and says "The Legend Killer is Back."

^Markout

Totally agree with this, and I can definitely see something like that happening.

What I see happening with Orton/Taker, is that both men will enter the match as faces. The fans will then naturally start siding with Taker (if Orton's face reactions of late have been of any indication).


After Wrestlemania, I think a heel Orton will challenge Batista.


Orton will use his "concussion" suffered at the Royal Rumble as an excuse as to why he didn't beat Triple H. He'll say how if he hadn't had that concussion, then he would've won the title, etc.
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:12 PM   #7
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It's going to be face vs face. No time to build it up as Heel/babyface. But, I think there going along these lines. Orton beats Taker, I hope cleanly and with the RKO. Orton celebrates like his just won the million dollar jack pot. He's jumping around the ring and going crazy while Taker is still down. Taker gets to his knees and puts his hand out for Orton to help him up. Orton helps him up....BAM ANOTHER RKO. Orton then spits on him and does that pose right over him and says "The Legend Killer is Back."

^Markout
So then Taker can "die" again and be gone for a few months and then "resurrect" for a "final" run?
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:15 PM   #8
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So then Taker can "die" again and be gone for a few months and then "resurrect" for a "final" run?
Of course he'll be the American Iron Chef this time around.

And yeah, I'll have to go with LC's idea. It seems like it's the most logical way to go.
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:17 PM   #9
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maybe then they'll actully get it right..
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:19 PM   #10
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:24 PM   #11
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As i see it, Orton would lay out a challenge to face Taker at WM, leading to a face vs. face encounter. Fans side with the Taker. Orton pretty much dominates Taker (nailing him with a few RKOS with Taker no-selling), but Taker barely eeks by with a win via tombstone. Poor Orton is left in the ring being booed, and shows his frustration in the backstage area.

Following night, Triple H and Flair somehow lay the beatdown to Batista, with Orton seemingly coming to make the save, only to RKO Batista out of nowhere, therefore making Orton rejoin Evolution and clearly having him be a full-fledged heel.
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:52 PM   #12
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What about Orton losing to Taker, then RKO'ing his own dad later in the show when the Hall Of Fame thing is on?

Now I would f'ing markout to that.....
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Old 02-23-2005, 06:55 PM   #13
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If you're gonns turn Orton, you may as well give him a win. What makes a person more cocky: Beating a legend or losing to one?
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Cowboy Bob could cme out, accept his award, then comment on his son as the 'legend killer, apart from tonight'. Then out comes Randy, beating down on him.

Taker won't drop his record.
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Old 02-23-2005, 07:43 PM   #15
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So then Taker can "die" again and be gone for a few months and then "resurrect" for a "final" run?
And even better, he can do promos hyping his oldschool return, with a dark "gothic" atmosphere, only to come back as a hick with a new hat!
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If you're gonns turn Orton, you may as well give him a win. What makes a person more cocky: Beating a legend or losing to one?
Yeah I like your idea.

I would do basically the same thing.

The other thing I would do is on RAW after Mania, have Orton skip the show. He could cut a promo "via satellite" and say "The Legend Killer is back" (I like that), but he couldn't make it to RAW. Of course he's not there because he's scared of Taker (who would be there for the draft). Orton would figure by not showing up for RAW he wont have to face him. Orton would get whats coming to him though, because he would get drafted to SD. That would allow his program with Taker to continue on SD.

If they have him lose they are drunk.
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If you're gonns turn Orton, you may as well give him a win. What makes a person more cocky: Beating a legend or losing to one?
If you're going to botch another angle, what difference does it make?
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Following night, Triple H and Flair somehow lay the beatdown to Batista, with Orton seemingly coming to make the save, only to RKO Batista out of nowhere, therefore making Orton rejoin Evolution and clearly having him be a full-fledged heel.
The problem with Orton rejoining Evolution would be that he could never be the Heavyweight Champion again unless Triple H 'accepts' Orton. Otherwise, it would be pretty much the same as his first title reign.
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Old 02-23-2005, 09:47 PM   #19
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I still say a heel turn on Orton is too fast, but if they must do it, do it like LC said.

Too bad the buildup will have to absolutely suck.
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:19 AM   #21
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If you're gonns turn Orton, you may as well give him a win. What makes a person more cocky: Beating a legend or losing to one?
The answer is obvious to us, but not to the WWE.

Look at Jericho/Michaels. Chris would have benefited from that victory GREATLY, but instead, he loses clean. Of course, he low blowed Shawn after the match, so in the end he got over more... right?

I can see something like that happened at Mania 21, just cause Vince and company don't know what the fuck they're doing.
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:55 AM   #22
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I like LC's idea of the Orton turn...I would go crazy if that happened. I like orton better as a heel anyways.

A great idea of turning Orton heel before mania could of been...Last Raw HBK told Orton that he needed to make an impact...so the next Smackdown show he runs in during Takers match and gives him the RKO...thus laying down the challenge and the fans realize hes a bad guy now...but then on Raw you have to recap it and all the crap because more people watch Raw than Smackdown....

you know what forget my idea....go LC and his idea.
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Old 02-24-2005, 03:18 AM   #23
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If they wanted to do this right, then this whole thing with HBK will help turn him. Everytime I see Orton and HBK after their match ends, I'm just waiting for Orton to hit an RKO on Shawn. Evem though Orton's face, he still has that real cocky heel like attitude, and I'm just waiting for him to turn on Stacy or HBK.
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Old 02-24-2005, 03:52 AM   #24
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So basically what will happen will be Austin comes in. Stuns a few people has a few beers leaves and thats done. ( They could probably save some money and fit a impromptu Diva Contest instead)
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You think they could pull off Orton rejoining Evolution? He'd have to turn into Ric Flair Suck Up Mode, but hey, stranger things have happened.
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They could say that now the world championship is out of his mind and that he knows Hunter is the true champion, he joins because he doesn't like the attention Batista is getting (or something) and he will help Triple H get the title.. etc. you know?

I guess it is kind of suck ass... but that's what must people do
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No, No, No, he's a Hussan mark now. He only does that with Hussan now
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Old 02-24-2005, 11:46 AM   #28
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You think they could pull off Orton rejoining Evolution? He'd have to turn into Ric Flair Suck Up Mode, but hey, stranger things have happened.
like the Ric Flair suck up mode
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:20 PM   #29
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Yeah I like your idea.

I would do basically the same thing.

The other thing I would do is on RAW after Mania, have Orton skip the show. He could cut a promo "via satellite" and say "The Legend Killer is back" (I like that), but he couldn't make it to RAW. Of course he's not there because he's scared of Taker (who would be there for the draft). Orton would figure by not showing up for RAW he wont have to face him. Orton would get whats coming to him though, because he would get drafted to SD. That would allow his program with Taker to continue on SD.

If they have him lose they are drunk.
I agree, let's say Orton beats Taker at Mania; but not cleanly. Maybe Orton puts his feet on the ropes or something, so his feud with Taker can continue if Orton goes to SD. On TV, Taker should get the upper hand for a while. Orton should only be able to pull off a beat down once and a while. Then let's say at the next SD PPV Orton beats Taker cleanly, then spits in the face of Taker.
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Old 02-24-2005, 03:15 PM   #30
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Spitting in the face? On SmackDown? Won't that take something away from Carlito?

Oh, wait, the fact that Carlito sucks takes away from Carlito.

Anyways, yeah, LC's idea is the way to go.
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Old 02-24-2005, 03:47 PM   #31
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Orton really should beat Taker cleanly. The cheating stuff has been so overdone and it's just blahhh now. He needs a strong win and by pinning a legend of the WWE, who's undefeated at Mania, smack in the center of the ring would shoot his career right up again. Do you guys remember a little match at Mania 10 called Bret vs Owen Hart? What happened there? Owen pinned Bret cleanly and his ego took off and Owen couldn't cut a promo without saying "I beat you Bret, I'm the #1 Hart, I deserve the Title."

I mean when you guys were kids and you beat someone older then you in some kind of game, didn't that get your ego going and thikning that you were the best ever? Same kind of thing here.
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Old 02-24-2005, 05:08 PM   #32
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WHAT THE FUCK?

Thank you for ruining Austins return, thank you for ruining what would have been my only mark out moment in a year.

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU TYPE "SPOILERS" WHEN YOU TYPE WHAT THE SPOILER IS RIGHT BESIDE IT!!!!!!!!!

Now I know Austin is confirmed, he is my favourite wrestler, hearing his damn music hit would have made me mark out so bad, but no, you have to fucking ruin it, couldn't you make the title "Wrestlmania 21 major spoilers" alone? Seriously man, use your goddam brain. Why mark for spoilers when the spoiler is right beside where you mark for spoilers.

Fuck this shit, you're not the only one who does it, so many people do, i am out of the fucking wrestling forum besides for tipsters until Wrestlemania is over, see you all April fourth.
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Old 02-24-2005, 05:13 PM   #33
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Old 02-24-2005, 05:19 PM   #34
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the way i see it, WWE arent going to end Takers WM streak. I can see Taker beating Orton at WM, then Orton being traded to Smackdown where he makes it his goal to kill the legend of the Undertaker once and for all. Which he achieves a Judgement Day or something
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Old 02-24-2005, 05:41 PM   #35
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Steve Austin will be appearing on the cover of the next WWE Raw magazine with the caption: "Stunner! The Exclusive Story Behind Stone Cold's Return, Mick Foley is billed to appear on Dennis Millers show tonight on CNBC which airs at 9 p.m. est time and There are video vignettes already being produced for Randy Orton vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania 21.

The original plan was to turn Randy Orton heel again, but he practically begged to remain baby face. There's no word on whether his begging was effective or not, but it's not likely that WWE management will be doing him any favors. As previously reported, management isn't very happy with his backstage and road antics

and former TNA superstar Frankie Kazarian might very well be skipping OVW and go straight to the main roster though the show is unknown
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:29 PM   #36
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And even better, he can do promos hyping his oldschool return, with a dark "gothic" atmosphere, only to come back as a hick with a new hat!
LOL! I loved that at last year's wrestlemania. After months of waiting and burning anticipation, Undertaker comes "back from the dead" to shock the world and defeat his maniacal brother Gle... errr.. Kane.

In other words, he had a new hat and hair extensions! OH THE AMAZEMENT!
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Old 02-25-2005, 06:32 PM   #37
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WHAT THE FUCK?

Thank you for ruining Austins return, thank you for ruining what would have been my only mark out moment in a year.

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU TYPE "SPOILERS" WHEN YOU TYPE WHAT THE SPOILER IS RIGHT BESIDE IT!!!!!!!!!

Now I know Austin is confirmed, he is my favourite wrestler, hearing his damn music hit would have made me mark out so bad, but no, you have to fucking ruin it, couldn't you make the title "Wrestlmania 21 major spoilers" alone? Seriously man, use your goddam brain. Why mark for spoilers when the spoiler is right beside where you mark for spoilers.

Fuck this shit, you're not the only one who does it, so many people do, i am out of the fucking wrestling forum besides for tipsters until Wrestlemania is over, see you all April fourth.

LOL @ SPAZZ OUT. Austin wouldn't have been a surprise anyway. They will announce on a show he'll be there.
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Yeh, see you april fourth then..... idiot.
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Old 02-25-2005, 07:06 PM   #39
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LOL! I loved that at last year's wrestlemania. After months of waiting and burning anticipation, Undertaker comes "back from the dead" to shock the world and defeat his maniacal brother Gle... errr.. Kane.

In other words, he had a new hat and hair extensions! OH THE AMAZEMENT!
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Seeing a well-built up angle flop because the "Oldshool" Undertaker looks more like Phinneas Godwin: Priceless.
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LOL @ SPAZZ OUT. Austin wouldn't have been a surprise anyway. They will announce on a show he'll be there.
On the other hand, it IS pretty retarded to go "Spoliers" only to throw in what the spoiler is in the same line.

I'm not defending the spazz out however.
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