NFL Draft thread - Page 2

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-24-2005, 05:48 PM

I can't believe Swancutt from Oregon State went so late. He looked pretty damn good everytime I saw him play. Could be a sleeper.

Patriots also picked Matt Cassell QB from USC in the 7th round. If I am thinking right I don't think he could have ever played - Palmer then Lienhart. Next Brady? I doubt it haha

**BCWWF** · 04-24-2005, 06:47 PM

Yeah WTF, I saw him get picked and was like "QB USC" WHAT?

But let me be the first to say, I am giving Maurice Clarett a clean slate and hope he does well, and I think he could be decent too. Especially with the Bronco's RB success.

**Loose Cannon** · 04-24-2005, 06:51 PM

Jets get anybody decent? I don't follow College football at all, so I don't know the players

**BCWWF** · 04-24-2005, 06:58 PM

They took the kicker first overall

I wanted him REALLY BAD, but I guess with Doug Brien you can't blame them, and I think we got a good guy after that anyway. But they didn't have a first round pick, I don't think they did anything spectacular in the draft.

**Loose Cannon** · 04-24-2005, 06:59 PM

oh, thank god for a kicker

**BCWWF** · 04-24-2005, 07:02 PM

Doug Brien did the Vikings a favor, we had him in 2002 I think, and we were AWFUL, but if Brien was good we would have won at least two more games and had a lower draft pick.

So even though Brien pissed the hell out of me back then, getting McKinnie that year doesn't hurt anybody.

**FearedSanctity** · 04-24-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

But let me be the first to say, I am giving Maurice Clarett a clean slate and hope he does well, and I think he could be decent too. Especially with the Bronco's RB success.

I hope Clarett does well to, but if anything it's gonna be as second string. I REALLY don't see him passing up Tatum Bell.

**Nervous Ferret** · 04-24-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

Jets get anybody decent? I don't follow College football at all, so I don't know the players

Mike Nugent

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

and some corner from Clemson. Seems pritty decent, don't really follow Clemson

**Crimson** · 04-24-2005, 08:46 PM

McPhereson to the Saints...he should take Brook's job within 2 years,he needs some time..but they say he's like a Mike Vick type QB.

Arizona had a good draft i thought ,Arrington,Rolle,and decent defensive guys.

**el fregadero** · 04-24-2005, 11:03 PM

I remember McPherson getting in some kind of trouble with the law (I think it was drunk driving) and that is why FSU was still using piece of shit Chris Rix last year.

**Nervous Ferret** · 04-25-2005, 12:00 AM

yeah McPherson got kicked off the team or something. I think it was for drunk driving.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-25-2005, 12:11 AM

No he didn't get caught drunk driving - here's the story:

He stole a blank check and cashed it for 3,500 dollars. The team found out, he started the next game. Pretty sure it was a loss - then he got booted from the team the next day. Then they said he was gambling too but he denies all of that. He admitted to the blank check thing though.

So he played last season in the Arena Football Leauge and absolutely tore shit up. He had pretty good work outs (put up 225 pounds something crazy like 23 times) and teams were pleased with the fact he took the blame for his mistakes.

He should be solid - He's not as much as a running threat as Vick though. He is still mobile but his 40 time isn't anything ridiculous like 4.3 or something. I think its around a 4.7.

**el fregadero** · 04-25-2005, 12:25 AM

Everybody at Florida State gets in trouble with the law though, so it isn't his fault really.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-25-2005, 12:50 AM

Florida State has got a nice prospect coming up at QB. Xavier Lee - dude is gross.

Im surprised he is STILL a QB though - figured he'd be a wideout.

That's him in the green jersey

04-25-2005, 12:59 AM

I agree Stima, I thought for sure the Pats would go lb, especially with the fact that their lb corps is not getting any younger.

**BCWWF** · 04-25-2005, 01:50 AM

Stima you should go to Florida State next year

**The Outlaw** · 04-25-2005, 02:29 PM

Brandon Jacobs, isn't that the sick Auburn RB who transferred when he knew he was going to get shit for playing time?

If so, the kid is plain nasty. Guy averaged more YAC than Caddy or Ronnie. He averaged like 6.7 or something while...Brown I think averaged 6.3. He's a load.

**Gonzo** · 04-25-2005, 02:48 PM

Yeah he transferred from Auburn to Souther Illinois to get more time rather than split it with Cadillac and Brown. The coach didn't redshirt him at Auburn or else he probably would have stayed because he would've started as a senior. While at Auburn for a year he did average a higher YPC than Cadillac or Brown, like Outlaw said.

Then at Southern Illinois he had 19 TD's and 6+ YPC. Ridiculously huge too, like 6'3" 260lbs.

Link

5th and 12th paragraphs.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-25-2005, 04:37 PM

Yeah thats him - After seeing this pic I remember he got a penatly for "show boating" in one of those senior bowls. He stuck the ball in the defensive backs stomach after he ran by him. Hilarious shit.

**BCWWF** · 04-25-2005, 06:25 PM

I kind of get the impression that the Cleveland Browns are looking to get Matt Lienert next year. They clearly would have been better off this season to draft Cadillac or Aaron Rodgers, but they took Braylon, and as we saw with Larry Fitzgerald he probably won't have a big effect right away, especially without the QB. Then they take Pollack, who will definatly help them, but not an extreme amount by himself.

So it looks like they drafted guys that could be and should be really good in their careers, but guys that won't help them win very much next year. What do you guys think?

**RoXer** · 04-25-2005, 06:32 PM

Walter on the Radiers...I friggen hate the Raiders. I'll still support Walter though.

**Crimson** · 04-25-2005, 08:38 PM

BCWWF what the hell are u talking about? Pollack went to the Bengals. And how do you figure that Edwards won't make a big impact...? As if Rodgers would ...he wouldn't even start a game probably, lol.

**Gonzo** · 04-25-2005, 09:20 PM

You do know that the QB has to throw the ball to the WR for the WR to be successful?

Anyways, I hope this Brandon Jacobs fellow turns into a beast.

**The Outlaw** · 04-26-2005, 01:16 AM

He's pretty ridiculous from what I remember. Might be a sleeper.

**BCWWF** · 04-26-2005, 01:29 AM

My bad about Pollack, get them mixed up...oops.

But it shouldn't be a really hard concept to grasp. The quarterback is the most important guy on the team, and without a good one a wide reciever doesn't really do much. You saw it with Larry Fitzgerald, I think it will be the same thing with Braylon.

It makes sense though, they load up on really good players but ones that probably won't do much for them this year, so that they can get the best possible QB to make the other players better. Do you really think drafting Braylon will make the Browns a significantly better team?

**PureHatred** · 04-26-2005, 02:39 AM

I see what you're saying. But Cleveland is in Year One of a massive rebuilding project. Nobody they drafted this year was going to make them much better. They decimated their defense (probably a good thing), they're starting Trent Dilfer, and their best offenisve weapon is coming off a season-ending injury. Romeo Cornell isn't one to phone in anything, but yeah, in the back of his head I'm sure he's looking at that team and figuring, "Yeah, we pick #1 next year."

Also, I'm a little surprised they picked Edwards because Cornell comes form the New England system where character guys are important; Edwards is kind of an ass and that locker room is full of headcases. Expected them to trade down and get the LB from texas.

Ah well....gonna go read another draft report where the 'Boys got an A grade...

**Nervous Ferret** · 04-26-2005, 02:42 AM

Everywhere I read the Jets are getting a "C" or lower. But thats what happens when you trade out of the 1st round.

**PureHatred** · 04-26-2005, 03:44 AM

Well, I love the Nugent pick. Doug Jolley + Nugent > staying in the first round and drafting Heath Miller IMO.

**Nervous Ferret** · 04-26-2005, 03:48 AM

yeah I agree, I wasn't expecting anything big to come out of this draft, looks like Justin Miller is gunna be replacing Santanna Moss @ unt returns

+ we finally have a kicker, + we finally have a tight end + Lavernious =

**PureHatred** · 04-26-2005, 03:51 AM

Come fantasy football season, I'm gonna sit on Coles like a hawk. He's going to be around a 5th or 6th round pick that puts up 2nd round numbers.

**BCWWF** · 04-26-2005, 12:26 PM

PureHatred, I think you were misunderstood by my post, but thats what I am saying too. It looks like they are picking up guys who are going to be really good, but not doing it in the order that will improve them right away.

**Gonzo** · 04-26-2005, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nervous Ferret

yeah I agree, I wasn't expecting anything big to come out of this draft, looks like Justin Miller is gunna be replacing Santanna Moss @ unt returns

+ we finally have a kicker, + we finally have a tight end + Lavernious =

They should have stayed in the first, taken Miller. Nugent would most likely have fell to their pick in the 2nd. Kickers are drafted that high very often and I can't think of any other team that hasn't addressed the position or is in sore enough need to draft the best one out of college.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 04-26-2005, 03:01 PM

Vikings have no kicker and they probably would have taken him in the second round if the Jets didn't take him.

**Gonzo** · 04-26-2005, 04:19 PM

Given the fact that the Jets traded up in the second to get ahead of Minny anyways, I doubt that.

**Crimson** · 04-26-2005, 08:51 PM

Well the Cowboys offense will stink but their defense will be pretty good i guess. blah as long as the Eagles fall apart this year it'll be all good.

**Gonzo** · 04-26-2005, 09:40 PM

I think the Cowboys are going to rise to dominance if Parcells can build the team the way he likes to. As long as he stays and finishes what he has started they are going to return to their former forms. Parcells is definitely building what he has had in his past teams, a running game and a defense. They definitely addressed defense in the draft with some great picks. They have Julius Jones who showed some definite promise last year. Drew Bledsoe won't be a godsend, but he isn't a slouch either, so he should get the job done.

I can definitely see them 2nd in the division this year and competing for the division title within the next few years.

**Gonzo** · 04-26-2005, 09:41 PM

However, I'm with Crimson in hoping the Eagles fall apart. While I do hate the Cowboys and Redskins quite a bit my loathe of the Eagles far exceeds both of those two teams. Definitely going to go down to the Giants/Eagles in New Jersey this year.

**Crimson** · 04-27-2005, 10:12 PM

Im trying to get tickets to the Cowboys/Chargers..or Cowboys/Raiders,but the drive to Oakland is a little more far, so maybe to the Sandiego one. I defeniatley liked the Barber pick as a backup to Jones.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-30-2005, 06:06 PM

Im surprised Jason White from OU didn't get drafted. I figured he would be picked up on the 2nd day.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 04-30-2005, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nervous Ferret

yeah Williams to the Loins was pritty retarded.

Portland Trailblazers passed up on Michael Jordan because they needed a big man....

04-24-2005, 05:48 PM	#41
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I can't believe Swancutt from Oregon State went so late. He looked pretty damn good everytime I saw him play. Could be a sleeper. Patriots also picked Matt Cassell QB from USC in the 7th round. If I am thinking right I don't think he could have ever played - Palmer then Lienhart. Next Brady? I doubt it haha

04-24-2005, 06:47 PM	#42
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Yeah WTF, I saw him get picked and was like "QB USC" WHAT? But let me be the first to say, I am giving Maurice Clarett a clean slate and hope he does well, and I think he could be decent too. Especially with the Bronco's RB success.

04-24-2005, 06:51 PM	#43
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Jets get anybody decent? I don't follow College football at all, so I don't know the players

04-24-2005, 06:58 PM	#44
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	They took the kicker first overall I wanted him REALLY BAD, but I guess with Doug Brien you can't blame them, and I think we got a good guy after that anyway. But they didn't have a first round pick, I don't think they did anything spectacular in the draft.

04-24-2005, 06:59 PM	#45
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	oh, thank god for a kicker

04-24-2005, 07:02 PM	#46
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Doug Brien did the Vikings a favor, we had him in 2002 I think, and we were AWFUL, but if Brien was good we would have won at least two more games and had a lower draft pick. So even though Brien pissed the hell out of me back then, getting McKinnie that year doesn't hurt anybody.

04-24-2005, 08:46 PM	#49
Crimson Posts: 6,108	McPhereson to the Saints...he should take Brook's job within 2 years,he needs some time..but they say he's like a Mike Vick type QB. Arizona had a good draft i thought ,Arrington,Rolle,and decent defensive guys.

04-24-2005, 11:03 PM	#50
el fregadero Tap-In Posts: 20,300	I remember McPherson getting in some kind of trouble with the law (I think it was drunk driving) and that is why FSU was still using piece of shit Chris Rix last year.

04-25-2005, 12:00 AM	#51
Nervous Ferret love yourself Posts: 47,788	yeah McPherson got kicked off the team or something. I think it was for drunk driving.

04-25-2005, 12:11 AM	#52
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	No he didn't get caught drunk driving - here's the story: He stole a blank check and cashed it for 3,500 dollars. The team found out, he started the next game. Pretty sure it was a loss - then he got booted from the team the next day. Then they said he was gambling too but he denies all of that. He admitted to the blank check thing though. So he played last season in the Arena Football Leauge and absolutely tore shit up. He had pretty good work outs (put up 225 pounds something crazy like 23 times) and teams were pleased with the fact he took the blame for his mistakes. He should be solid - He's not as much as a running threat as Vick though. He is still mobile but his 40 time isn't anything ridiculous like 4.3 or something. I think its around a 4.7.

04-25-2005, 12:25 AM	#53
el fregadero Tap-In Posts: 20,300	Everybody at Florida State gets in trouble with the law though, so it isn't his fault really.

04-25-2005, 12:50 AM	#54
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Florida State has got a nice prospect coming up at QB. Xavier Lee - dude is gross. Im surprised he is STILL a QB though - figured he'd be a wideout. That's him in the green jersey

04-25-2005, 12:59 AM	#55
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	I agree Stima, I thought for sure the Pats would go lb, especially with the fact that their lb corps is not getting any younger.

04-25-2005, 01:50 AM	#56
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Stima you should go to Florida State next year

04-25-2005, 02:29 PM	#57
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Brandon Jacobs, isn't that the sick Auburn RB who transferred when he knew he was going to get shit for playing time? If so, the kid is plain nasty. Guy averaged more YAC than Caddy or Ronnie. He averaged like 6.7 or something while...Brown I think averaged 6.3. He's a load.

04-25-2005, 02:48 PM	#58
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Yeah he transferred from Auburn to Souther Illinois to get more time rather than split it with Cadillac and Brown. The coach didn't redshirt him at Auburn or else he probably would have stayed because he would've started as a senior. While at Auburn for a year he did average a higher YPC than Cadillac or Brown, like Outlaw said. Then at Southern Illinois he had 19 TD's and 6+ YPC. Ridiculously huge too, like 6'3" 260lbs. Link 5th and 12th paragraphs.

04-25-2005, 04:37 PM	#59
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Yeah thats him - After seeing this pic I remember he got a penatly for "show boating" in one of those senior bowls. He stuck the ball in the defensive backs stomach after he ran by him. Hilarious shit.

04-25-2005, 06:25 PM	#60
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I kind of get the impression that the Cleveland Browns are looking to get Matt Lienert next year. They clearly would have been better off this season to draft Cadillac or Aaron Rodgers, but they took Braylon, and as we saw with Larry Fitzgerald he probably won't have a big effect right away, especially without the QB. Then they take Pollack, who will definatly help them, but not an extreme amount by himself. So it looks like they drafted guys that could be and should be really good in their careers, but guys that won't help them win very much next year. What do you guys think?

04-25-2005, 06:32 PM	#61
RoXer History's Greatest, Mr. E Posts: 42,425	Walter on the Radiers...I friggen hate the Raiders. I'll still support Walter though.

04-25-2005, 08:38 PM	#62
Crimson Posts: 6,108	BCWWF what the hell are u talking about? Pollack went to the Bengals. And how do you figure that Edwards won't make a big impact...? As if Rodgers would ...he wouldn't even start a game probably, lol.

04-25-2005, 09:20 PM	#63
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	You do know that the QB has to throw the ball to the WR for the WR to be successful? Anyways, I hope this Brandon Jacobs fellow turns into a beast.

04-26-2005, 01:16 AM	#64
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	He's pretty ridiculous from what I remember. Might be a sleeper.

04-26-2005, 01:29 AM	#65
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	My bad about Pollack, get them mixed up...oops. But it shouldn't be a really hard concept to grasp. The quarterback is the most important guy on the team, and without a good one a wide reciever doesn't really do much. You saw it with Larry Fitzgerald, I think it will be the same thing with Braylon. It makes sense though, they load up on really good players but ones that probably won't do much for them this year, so that they can get the best possible QB to make the other players better. Do you really think drafting Braylon will make the Browns a significantly better team?

04-26-2005, 02:39 AM	#66
PureHatred Instant Credibility Posts: 2,979	I see what you're saying. But Cleveland is in Year One of a massive rebuilding project. Nobody they drafted this year was going to make them much better. They decimated their defense (probably a good thing), they're starting Trent Dilfer, and their best offenisve weapon is coming off a season-ending injury. Romeo Cornell isn't one to phone in anything, but yeah, in the back of his head I'm sure he's looking at that team and figuring, "Yeah, we pick #1 next year." Also, I'm a little surprised they picked Edwards because Cornell comes form the New England system where character guys are important; Edwards is kind of an ass and that locker room is full of headcases. Expected them to trade down and get the LB from texas. Ah well....gonna go read another draft report where the 'Boys got an A grade...

04-26-2005, 02:42 AM	#67
Nervous Ferret love yourself Posts: 47,788	Everywhere I read the Jets are getting a "C" or lower. But thats what happens when you trade out of the 1st round.

04-26-2005, 03:44 AM	#68
PureHatred Instant Credibility Posts: 2,979	Well, I love the Nugent pick. Doug Jolley + Nugent > staying in the first round and drafting Heath Miller IMO.

04-26-2005, 03:48 AM	#69
Nervous Ferret love yourself Posts: 47,788	yeah I agree, I wasn't expecting anything big to come out of this draft, looks like Justin Miller is gunna be replacing Santanna Moss @ unt returns + we finally have a kicker, + we finally have a tight end + Lavernious =

04-26-2005, 03:51 AM	#70
PureHatred Instant Credibility Posts: 2,979	Come fantasy football season, I'm gonna sit on Coles like a hawk. He's going to be around a 5th or 6th round pick that puts up 2nd round numbers.

04-26-2005, 12:26 PM	#71
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	PureHatred, I think you were misunderstood by my post, but thats what I am saying too. It looks like they are picking up guys who are going to be really good, but not doing it in the order that will improve them right away.

04-26-2005, 03:01 PM	#73
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	Vikings have no kicker and they probably would have taken him in the second round if the Jets didn't take him.