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Old 05-17-2005, 06:42 PM   #41
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Apparently Revolution is going to be smaller than what was shown

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"Iwata takes tage. Introduces Revolution. Holds up the tiny, Mac Mini-sized unit. Crowd cheers. Says it's the smallest console Nintendo has ever manufactured. Says the final machine will be even smaller than the concept unit he's holding. Can stand horizontally or vertically. Revolution will play 12cm (DVD) discs (and GameCube software, too). Added attachment can be used to play movies and other DVD content. Machine has 512 MB of onboard flash memory for data storage. "


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The following is a play-by-play live report from the conference.

9:30 am: Kodak Theatre, fifth floor, Ball Room. Nintendo's annual E3 conference is about to start. The house is packed full. Many people could not score seats and are standing at every side of the auditorium.

9:37 am: Still nothing. Nintendo is fashionably late.

9:40 am: The fire marshall is not happy. The start of the conference is delayed until the most flammable Nintendo fans are moved out of the way.

9:45 am: Lights dim. The crowd claps. A Nintendo intro video appears on screen. Reggie voiceover remix: "We remain all about the games. My name is Reggie, we're about kicking ass."

9:50 am: Iwata takes stage. Says he's about playing games. "Who's your daddy," he asks. A video plays.

9:51 am: Footage of DS games. Footage of Geist, ElectroPlankton, Nintendogs, Mario Kart, Zelda, Killer 7, Viewtiful Joe DS, Madden, Batallion Wars. The crowd cheers. The video ends.

9:54 am: The crowd cheers and Reggie takes the stage. "We at Nintendo continue to explore the videogames," he says. Promises information about new gameplay on Nintendo DS and promises solid information on Nintendo Revolution.

9:55 am: Reggie jokes about console specs for 360 -- offers another number: "2." As in "2 billion games sold by Nintendo." Says it's just the beginning. "Nintendo is not an 'or' company. Nintendo is an 'and' company." Talks about how Nintendo is about "change" -- and how more change is on the way. "We exist for the love the game." Reggie promises a new dimension of gameplay on DS.

9:56 am: "Today, you will begin to understand how our Revolution is preparing to storm the gates." Says Nintendo created the game space and "we're not moving out." He then compares the Game Boy Advance to PS2 in sales -- GBA has sold more than 28 million units in the US, even though it launched eight months later. Global sell-through for DS is 5 million -- twice that of PSP. 9:59 am: Hollands still likes it. Takes the stage to demonstrate some music tracks. He composed entire tracks from the unit. Sound demo appears to use sounds from synthesizers, however (the bass is too heavy for a DS demo).

10:01 am: Reggie returns. Says Nintendo didn't invent the concept of online gaming. But they intend to reinvent it. Reggie says Nintendo partnered with IGN Entertainment's GameSpy division to provide wireless online play -- uses hot spots around the world. "Simple and intuitive." Believes 90% of DS owners will be online. the service will be free, outside the house via hotspots and free inside your house. "Users won't face monthly gameplay bills." Reggie says Nintendo is working to overcome the current "macho style of online games."

10:04 am: "Around the world, 25 publishers are working on DS wireless games including all the big players. Mario Kart DS and Animal Crossing wireless internet by end of year -- Tony Hawk game, too. Mario Kart will be demoed on the showfloor wirelessly.

10:06 am: Nintendogs is up next. Taught the Japanese game world to sit up and take notice, with 400,000 copies sold in Japan in a month. DS was the bestseller in Japan for the launch period, outselling PSP by a factor of 3. Tina Wood from G4 takes the stage to demonstrate Nintendogs. She's got a pug named Mia. Tells the dog to say "hi" and dog moves mouth. Says "lay down" and dog lays down. Says "new Zelda" thee times and dog shows no reaction. Oops. A little Mario Kart is driving around the virtual room and the dog follows it. Then Tina gives the dog a bath and demonstrates "bark mode."

10:11 am: Tina uses wireless technology to search for a friend for to play with. System searches. We hear a bark. Bill Trinen's dog Mario comes into play.

10:12 am: Shigeru Miyamoto takes the stage. Applause. Miyamoto and Wood converse in English (she's his number 1 fan, etc.), Miyamoto's dog does a handstand in the game and then mount's Tina's dog. Laughter. Miyamoto asks: "Would you like me to show you a few more tricks?" She says yes. He replies: "Then please follow me backstage." Laughter.

10:14 am: Reggie shows the Game Boy Micro. Says "I know you haven't seen this. It's a hair bigger and two-thirds the weight of an iPod Mini." It's not new technology, but a new look and has the "best and brightest screen ever in a handheld." Not a successor to DS or GBA, but an extension of portable play. The system can be customized with a wide array of face plates and will hit this fall.

10:15 am: Reggie says games are the most important thing. Montage of video footage plays. Fire Emblem, Yoshi Topsy Turvy, Pokemon Emerald, Nintendogs, Mega Man Battle Network 5, Mario Kart DS, Need for Speed DS, Pac'n Roll, Trace Memory. Phoenix Wright, GoldenEye, Mario and Luigi 2, Advance Wars Dual Strike, Spyro, Kirby Kanvas Curse, Meteos, New Super Mario Bros., Castlevania, Trauma Center, Viewtiful Joe DS. End of montage. Iwata is back on stage.

9:18 am: Iwata takes tage. Introduces Revolution. Holds up the tiny, Mac Mini-sized unit. Crowd cheers. Says it's the smallest console Nintendo has ever manufactured. Says the final machine will be even smaller than the concept unit he's holding. Can stand horizontally or vertically. Revolution will play 12cm (DVD) discs (and GameCube software, too). Added attachment can be used to play movies and other DVD content. Machine has 512 MB of onboard flash memory for data storage.

9:20 am: "When you turn on Revolution and see the graphics, you will say 'wow!'" "Our competitors have detailed the power of their core processor and display. But the advantages of our technology will also have no bearing on gameplay. I know, this is one of those mysterious comments," he says. Says wifi will be built into every Nintendo product so controller, TV, console, and internet can interact. Nintendo intends to develop a device that's functional and appealing to every member in the household -- whether gamers or not. All controllers will be wireless. Also, the controllers will be very unique "in ways we will share with you... later." Already working on several wifi games for launch. Smash Bros. will be launch game -- wifi.

9:24 am: For Revolution, "Miyamoto is challenging his teams to create something new." His new creation will debut with Revolution. Big franchises will of course be there -- including new versions of Mario and Zelda. Short (pre-rendered) Metroid Prime 3 clip showing Samus standing in front of her redesigned spaceship. "We expect strong third-party support in both hemisphere." For example, Square Enix is already working on Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicle for Revolution.

9:27 am: Iwata: Convinced game development on Revolution will be easier and far less costly than for other machines. "Big idea can prevail over big budget." Revolution is a solution to help maximize creative freedom. Iwata then talks about backward compatibility. "Redefining term of backward compatability." It's a virtual console, able to download 20 years of Nintendo content. You will be able to Download NES, Super NES and N64 games. You can get every Nintendo game ever made. "Revolution shares a vision with DS. The machine is just a tool for software."

9:30 am: Next year, Revolution will fully serve core gamers. "We will attract casual gamers using consumer friendly content control and internet. And we will even draw non-gamers to our Revolution showing them how much fun there is and what we all do already. We call this 'all-access gaming.'" Iwata concludes by saying gamers touch his heart when they pick up the controller and enjoy the games.

9:32 am: George Harrison takes stage to talk about GameCube. System has sold 10 million units in America alone. There are 60 new titles on the way in 2005. There will be 400 games in total.

9:33 am: Batallion Wars: save the world by clearing over 20 missions in a combination of action and RTS. Gameplay clip plays.

9:34 am: Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness. It's a full-fledged RPG with a dark and sinister plot. "Pokemon is serious business." Emerald and other GBA titles will move to the big screen when XD launches in October. A quick Killer 7 clip plays.

9:35 am: Harrison introduces new Mario titles: Super Mario Strikers, Mario Baseball, Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix (big cheers), and Mario Party 7. Montage shows Fire Emblem, Geist, Killer 7, Pokemon XD, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Donkey Konga 2, Incredible Hulk 2, Madagascar, Madden NFL 06, One Piece, Scooby Doo, Spartan, Mario Mix, Mario Party 7, Strikers , Mario Party, WWE Day of Reckoning 2, Harvest Moon, Nintendo Pennant Chase Baseball, Shadow the Hedgehog, Midway Arcade, Medal of Honor.

9:38 am: "Of course we have saved the best for last. Today, prepare to see Link as you've never seen him before." Zelda trailer plays. Lights are flashing in the audience to simulate lightning flashes in the trailer. And yes, Link turns into a wolf in the trailer. Crowd goes wild.

9:41 am: Reggie is back on stage. Welcomes producer and director Eiji Aonuma. "Since you like the trailer, I have a present for you." Pulls Zelda video compressed on a DS cartridge out of a sleeve, goes "dadadadaaaa!" (Zelda chime.)

9:44 am: Reggie says good bye: "Be prepared to let your right brain run wild."

End of conference.
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:51 PM   #42
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BTW, the new Zelda trailer is FUCKING AMAZING
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I really dislike Nintendo conferences. This one wasn't an exception. It was nice to see the Revolution but all they had was footage for the Gamecube and basically the exact same speech they did last year. The worst part of the conferences is the attacks at other companies.

I was expecting a lot more from Nintendo and I don't know why. Until they actually show some stuff working on it, I'm not sold at all. Will probably end up skipping this one.
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Old 05-17-2005, 07:09 PM   #44
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No. Only games that make it with online. So basically everything they make from now on.
You'd think it wouldn't be that difficult. I mean you can do it now over an emulator so why not just include it as a bonus in this state of the art (supposedly) gaming machine? :meh:
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So Link can turn into a F'n Wolf????? :WTF:

Well the trailer looks good atleast all but the wolf thing but who knows. Perhaps they can pull it off. Im just happy to have another zelda game.

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So Link can turn into a F'n Wolf????? :WTF:

Well the trailer looks good atleast all but the wolf thing but who knows. Perhaps they can pull it off. Im just happy to have another zelda game.

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I'm just hoping that it's not the meat of the game. It worried me when he turned into the wolf. I hope it's still shield/sword/boomerang action with the wolf thing thrown in for a part of the story.

However, something that big has got to be the meat of the game.
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Right now im watching the coverage on G4 and they made a point that I wanted to make but I just wasnt sure of it yet....

They said that Xbox 360 will be backwards Compatitible with The XBox's top selling Games.....only the top selling....

What would the top selling games be...Halo and Halo 2...How many are we talking about. Because I love some games that sucked and im gonna be pissed if I have to buy another system and cant play them on it. Thats why right now Revolution is looking good to me. That and PS3...im wondering on the price
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I'm just hoping that it's not the meat of the game. It worried me when he turned into the wolf. I hope it's still shield/sword/boomerang action with the wolf thing thrown in for a part of the story.

However, something that big has got to be the meat of the game.
*SPOILER*

The title, "Twilight Princess," is also the name of another story, which involve two people that get cursed. One person, a princess, is cursed so that she turns into a hawk whenever she is exposed to the sun. The other person, a knight or something, is cursed so that he turns into a wolf whenever he is exposed to the moon. This is pretty evident in the new trailer because there is one scene where you see Link and a hawk lands on his shoulder.
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Hopefully it will deliver.
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Yeah I'm taking a look at some coverage from it, looks amazing.
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There was this one game I saw from what I was watching called Motor Storm (PS3). I don't even like racing games and this game looked nothing short of spectacular. From what I could see it was a pretty wide open rally racer which didn't seem to be linear like most racing titles. Looks pretty cool.
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There was this one game I saw from what I was watching called Motor Storm (PS3). I don't even like racing games and this game looked nothing short of spectacular. From what I could see it was a pretty wide open rally racer which didn't seem to be linear like most racing titles. Looks pretty cool.
Haven't read the first page have you.
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lol yeah probably the funniest trailer I've seen.
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*SPOILER*

The title, "Twilight Princess," is also the name of another story, which involve two people that get cursed. One person, a princess, is cursed so that she turns into a hawk whenever she is exposed to the sun. The other person, a knight or something, is cursed so that he turns into a wolf whenever he is exposed to the moon. This is pretty evident in the new trailer because there is one scene where you see Link and a hawk lands on his shoulder.
I'm trying to remember the B-Movie I saw that nicked that.
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No. Only games that make it with online. So basically everything they make from now on.
Has this been confirmed?
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Not by Nintendo but just like games now, they have to have certain coding to use online features in consoles differently then they do computers. So they have to code a whole seperate system for online. They could prove me wrong but I would take it as new games only online.
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Not by Nintendo but just like games now, they have to have certain coding to use online features in consoles differently then they do computers. So they have to code a whole seperate system for online. They could prove me wrong but I would take it as new games only online.
Hmmm...Depends on how they do it. N64 has apparently been a bitch to port...

It also depends on whether these games are free or not.
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I just don't see Nintendo taking emulator type coding for their systems. If it would have allowed older games to be played online they would have definitely said so as it would have been some of the bigger news the show would have. They might surprise me though.
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I just don't see Nintendo taking emulator type coding for their systems. If it would have allowed older games to be played online they would have definitely said so as it would have been some of the bigger news the show would have. They might surprise me though.
Well the games from the service will probably be downloaded with the emulator everytime you get it, so they could always update that aspect of it
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For those of you intrested in watching the actual confrences you can see them here. http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html As of right now Playstations and Xboxs are up. Nintendo should be up in a few hours. I watching both Playstations and Xboxs confrence. Playstation one is more details and semi-boring. Focusing more on specs and stuff. Xbox was made to keep you intrested while you watch. I liked how Playstation did theres though, although I wasn't that intrested in the specs it showed more what it can do with examples. Xbox was more, we are going to have a lot of games on Xbox 360 lets show one example. Didn't focus as much on the system as Playstation did.
It's funny how two people can have the exact opposite impression of the same thing. I though the Xbox conference was a little on the boring side, while the PS3 one kept me interested throughout. I guess its just the fact that I already knew most of the stuff being announced for the 360, while the PS3 was mostly new info.

Overall not too terribly impressed with the Nintendo conference. The backwards compatability seems to be the only interesting feature and I have my emulators for that.

I'll probably end up with all 3 systems because I'm a consumer whore and am willing to shell out the cash, however PS3 looks like its going dominate this time around.
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Why is that guy putting spoilers in black text? ROFL What an idiot.

Anyway, Nintendo didnt show much. I was idssapointed.

Ps3 is definetely the winner when it comes to graphics and 3rd party support.

OMFG DID ANYONE SEE THE KILLZONE TRAILER FOR THE PS3???????????? OMFG OMFG
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Why is that guy putting spoilers in black text? ROFL What an idiot.

Anyway, Nintendo didnt show much. I was idssapointed.

Ps3 is definetely the winner when it comes to graphics and 3rd party support.

OMFG DID ANYONE SEE THE KILLZONE TRAILER FOR THE PS3???????????? OMFG OMFG
Yeah, did anyone see the Killzone trailer for PS2? That look good and then that game was just god awful, to put it lightly. About the PS3 graphics, it's a little premature. We havn't seen revolution yet and the 360s demo kits were approximatly 3/4s of the power of the final unit
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It's funny how two people can have the exact opposite impression of the same thing. I though the Xbox conference was a little on the boring side, while the PS3 one kept me interested throughout. I guess its just the fact that I already knew most of the stuff being announced for the 360, while the PS3 was mostly new info.

Overall not too terribly impressed with the Nintendo conference. The backwards compatability seems to be the only interesting feature and I have my emulators for that.

I'll probably end up with all 3 systems because I'm a consumer whore and am willing to shell out the cash, however PS3 looks like its going dominate this time around.

Yeah totally what he said. I personally still feel they don't need new consoles just yet as the three still have life left in them but you know, what can ya do. Also, everyone is so up about the backwards compatibility with them all yet on PS2 I hardly ever used PS1 games on it because afterwards when I tried a PS2 game 97% of the time it gave me trouble loading them up, may have just been me. Which brings up the whole disc read error thing and problems Sony has had with the PS2, I mean is it just going to be the same thing over again? Maybe worse considering how much is going to be packed in that thing?

I personally think Microsoft has a good shot at hanging themselves with the whole graphics thing. While not a graphics whore I would prefer it to be more a focus in my gaming machine instead of being able to hook almost totally unrelated objects to them (that goes for all of them). It feels less and less like game consoles and more like this whole digital hub that could turn my coffee pot on at 6:30 and turn the lights off at 10, I want it to play my games, not run my life. If anyone sees the point I'm trying to make here just jump in at any time and explain it because I'm not one for connecting my thoughts and words together that great.

Also on a sidenote: I think the 360 is damn ugly
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The feeling I got from the Nintendo conference is that they aren't even going to try and compete in the hardware competition. I.e. don't expect the best graphics, etc. They are going to focus more on the games and stuff. Like he said "the hardware is just a tool for the software."
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I read the article from the link that shows what Revolution (tentatively) looks like, and it said that Revolution will only be 2-3 times more powerful than the 'cube. XBox 360 is boasting 10-13 times the power of the original and PS3 is supposed to be 35 TIMES that of PS2. Unfuckingbelievable. Just when Nintendo looks like they are doing everything right, they go and fuck up.

I'm probably gonna turn to the dark side and get a PS3 and then Rvolution after its price gets cut by half.
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Why is that guy putting spoilers in black text? ROFL What an idiot.
Incase anyone reading the topic, who hasn't yet watched the conferences, don't want to find out information.

But then again, if they didn't want to find out anything, they probably wouldn't be reading this topic, lol.
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I didnt like the orginal so just because they pretty it up a bit doenst mean that im gonna get it.

As much as im sure everyone would love to see all the old 64,nes and snes games be free for the Revolution im sure Nintendo isnt that stupid. Im sure each will cost a certain amout of money. Possibly 10$ for a game or it might depend on how popular the game was. Will be very interesting to see in the upcoming months what happens with this.
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I don't see what the problem is with Nintendos policy on less emphasis on graphical power and more emphasis on the actual games. If anything thats a GOOD thing. Instead of running around saying "Our graphics are better" they are saying "Our games will be better".

I couldn't give two shits about the specs. I just want good games. So far none of the next generation consoles have shown me anything in terms of games to be impressed or remotely interested in.
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I just don't see Nintendo taking emulator type coding for their systems. If it would have allowed older games to be played online they would have definitely said so as it would have been some of the bigger news the show would have. They might surprise me though.
It also might be something that's going to be up to the developers.
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I don't see what the problem is with Nintendos policy on less emphasis on graphical power and more emphasis on the actual games. If anything thats a GOOD thing. Instead of running around saying "Our graphics are better" they are saying "Our games will be better".

I couldn't give two shits about the specs. I just want good games. So far none of the next generation consoles have shown me anything in terms of games to be impressed or remotely interested in.
Actually, I have to point something out here. While I agree with you regarding the graphics...

The Nintendo Gamecube was designed with a simple philosophy: Less is more. While it was the worst system in terms of specs, it was better than the PS2 in terms of graphics. It jobbed the the XBox, but not by a HUGE amount. The tech specs aren't always the entire picture. Technically, the Gamecube should have been the worst system for graphics. Realistically, it wasn't.

When Revolution coems out, it should be capable of performing the same. So not being as powerful is only a hangup for the retards who decide that it's weak because the discs are small. Yeah. Okay.

Microsoft and Sony seem to have a huge case of penis envy. Sony tries to be the first, Microsoft tries to be the biggest. Nintendo does does their own thing. That's what they're good at. Not trashtalking, or silly bells and whistles. The system will be solid, regardless of what people might say about the specs.
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I don't see what the problem is with Nintendos policy on less emphasis on graphical power and more emphasis on the actual games. If anything thats a GOOD thing. Instead of running around saying "Our graphics are better" they are saying "Our games will be better".

I couldn't give two shits about the specs. I just want good games. So far none of the next generation consoles have shown me anything in terms of games to be impressed or remotely interested in.
It's not necessarily just graphical power (though they make it seem that way), it also has to do with what it can handle doing. For example how many enemies, with intelligent AI, it can handle on screen at once. Being several times more powerful than the Gamecube isn't horrible, but giving yourself a much less powerful system seems like shooting yourself in the foot before the race. If a developer is making a great game and wants it to be cross platform, they don't have any contstraints when thinking about think about what they can do for ps3 and 360. However, they could potentially run into a situation where they either have to water it down for Revolution, or not offer it at all for that system.
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It's not necessarily just graphical power (though they make it seem that way), it also has to do with what it can handle doing. For example how many enemies, with intelligent AI, it can handle on screen at once. Being several times more powerful than the Gamecube isn't horrible, but giving yourself a much less powerful system seems like shooting yourself in the foot before the race. If a developer is making a great game and wants it to be cross platform, they don't have any contstraints when thinking about think about what they can do for ps3 and 360. However, they could potentially run into a situation where they either have to water it down for Revolution, or not offer it at all for that system.
Oi. Ignoring the fact that the GCN could handle more for less, you have an argument.

Some people make their systems powerful. Others make them efficient. I'd rather them use a less powerful system to their fullest than see them throw money and tech at us to solve the issue. Odds are that this is the design idea for the Revolution.

But why let reality get in the way of a good fanboyism?
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This argument kinda reminds me of Windows PCs vs. Macs involving RISC and CISC processors. Macs use RISC processors that don't use as many commands as CISC processors, but does the commands it knows how to do well. I'm guessing that is why Macs are so good at video and sound editing. CISC, however, uses so many more complex commands. While this allows them to do more, they don't do it as efficiently as RISC processors.

Its all preference really. I can see the argument going both ways easily.
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Yeah, did anyone see the Killzone trailer for PS2? That look good and then that game was just god awful, to put it lightly. About the PS3 graphics, it's a little premature. We havn't seen revolution yet and the 360s demo kits were approximatly 3/4s of the power of the final unit

The same could be said about the Ps3 kits.

And considering Sony has about half a year longer to tweak it with its already superior graphics, thats saying alot.

The physics involved in all those demos was brilliant.

From what I've seen, X-Box to X-box360 doesnt seem like much of a leap.

I hope I am wrong though. I want all of them to do very well because I am probably going to buy them all.
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This argument kinda reminds me of Windows PCs vs. Macs involving RISC and CISC processors. Macs use RISC processors that don't use as many commands as CISC processors, but does the commands it knows how to do well. I'm guessing that is why Macs are so good at video and sound editing. CISC, however, uses so many more complex commands. While this allows them to do more, they don't do it as efficiently as RISC processors.

Its all preference really. I can see the argument going both ways easily.
That'd be great for comparison if they were like PC vs Msc, where one was specialised for certain tasks. The Gamecube keeps up with or surpasses the PS2's capacities with ineferior hardware on almost every level. It's not an issue of preference: The Ps2 is the worst of the three major systems in terms of graphics and power and the like, where XBox is the forerunner in terms of capacity. I won't pretend for a moment that the efficiency of the GCN is a match for the XBox's hardware.

NOw they PS2 is superior in terms of library, where it really counts. Sony blows the other two out of the water there. Not that the Gamecube and XBox don't have good titles (If I didn't like GC titles, I woudln't own one). Just that Sony is better for a large number of game titles that will appeal to the masses.

In terms of graphics, or the processing power though, when you come down to cold elements, it's not a competition because both systems are doing the same thing: Running games. Macs were optimised initially for games, which is why they are more prone to music and video programs. Optimised is a bit strong a word there, but adjectives are failing me. PCs were designed for something different. On the other hand, all three gaming systems are GAMING SYSTEMS. I'm not buying the PS2 to toast bread, I'm buying it to give me a game to play (Hopefully several). The system has better tech specs, but worse output.

The only place preference in this matter comes down is in the types of games you play, and that's probably going to still be the major factor within the next gen system "wars." It's worth noting that increase in power doesn't always mean you're doing something productive. People need to work to make games that pander to that hardware, assuming it's possible. The original PS was a good example, as neither it or the 64 used all their potential, because it really wasn't feasible at the time. 30 times or 15 times or whatever times more powerful sounds great on paper, but if it doesn't change your gaming experience, what the fuck's the point?
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That'd be great for comparison if they were like PC vs Msc, where one was specialised for certain tasks. The Gamecube keeps up with or surpasses the PS2's capacities with ineferior hardware on almost every level. It's not an issue of preference: The Ps2 is the worst of the three major systems in terms of graphics and power and the like, where XBox is the forerunner in terms of capacity. I won't pretend for a moment that the efficiency of the GCN is a match for the XBox's hardware.

NOw they PS2 is superior in terms of library, where it really counts. Sony blows the other two out of the water there. Not that the Gamecube and XBox don't have good titles (If I didn't like GC titles, I woudln't own one). Just that Sony is better for a large number of game titles that will appeal to the masses.

In terms of graphics, or the processing power though, when you come down to cold elements, it's not a competition because both systems are doing the same thing: Running games. Macs were optimised initially for games, which is why they are more prone to music and video programs. Optimised is a bit strong a word there, but adjectives are failing me. PCs were designed for something different. On the other hand, all three gaming systems are GAMING SYSTEMS. I'm not buying the PS2 to toast bread, I'm buying it to give me a game to play (Hopefully several). The system has better tech specs, but worse output.

The only place preference in this matter comes down is in the types of games you play, and that's probably going to still be the major factor within the next gen system "wars." It's worth noting that increase in power doesn't always mean you're doing something productive. People need to work to make games that pander to that hardware, assuming it's possible. The original PS was a good example, as neither it or the 64 used all their potential, because it really wasn't feasible at the time. 30 times or 15 times or whatever times more powerful sounds great on paper, but if it doesn't change your gaming experience, what the fuck's the point?

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Kane Knight again.

Word.

Like I told you on MSN, I agree with that completely. Who really gives a shit as long as you get good gameplay? This year looks promising.

By the way, fanboyism sucks. So any of you who are thinking "OMG PS3 SUX ITS SONY OMFG WTF", here's a little something. Fuck it, put a dime in the salvation army bucket, if you don't like it, grab my cock and suck it.
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All 3 major companies are claiming huge 3rd party support this time around. So now it will depend on hardware and 1st party. Each company is going to be relying on their franchises to help with this and since each is using the same size disc, it will probably be easy to port every game. Microsoft and Sony both have great systems, with better specs on the latter. We have heard nothing about the Revolution other then it's "prototype" and the basic key features.

Until I see anything game wise for the Revolution, Sony has my vote. They have the top-notch graphics that the next generation systems are shooting for, they have great 3rd party support from previous companies, not to mention an overwhelming library at launch with the backwards compatibility. If they announce an online services like Xbox Live, it will destroy the 360 and, most likely, the Revolution. But this is all a matter of taste.
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