Hulk Hogan resentment on this board? - Page 2

**PureHatred** · 07-27-2005, 09:08 PM

You've got to be fucking kidding??!!!??

That match at Starcade after a year build-up was one of the worst examples in history of someone beign buried. Hogan killed Sting for the whole match, threw him on the ground, and w/o Sting delivering one offensive move pinned him clean after a legdrop. And then with the announcers trying to come up with some bullshit 'fast count' excuse,(the count was clearly not fast ) Bret Hart ran down, made some gibberish announcement about "this isn't happening again" (alluding to the Montreal incident; Hart had debuted that night for WCW) and re-started the match. How? We have no idea since hart had no authority in the storylines.

Keep in mind that Sting was laying on his back for this entire time.

Match restarts, Sting gets in two moves, Stinger splashm, pin. And Hogan walks out like it neve rhappened while Sting does the obligatory celebration w/all the faces.

You don't understand the difference between losing and putting someone over. And you are losing all credibility in this argument about Hogan.

**Loose Cannon** · 07-27-2005, 09:09 PM

Yea, Sting was built up as the savior of WCW. He took down basically every member of the nWo. Then he faced Hogan for the Title. This was suppossed to be the big win. But the match was shit. Hogan got most of the offense and he gave his legdrop to Sting in the middle of the match. The ref counted a fast 3. Now here we have Sting, who WCW spent a year building up to finally take down Hogan, taking a 3 count right in the middle of the ring.

So Bret comes down and gets the match restarted. Sting hooks Hogan in the Deathlock and Hogan submits. Damage already down though

LK · 07-27-2005, 09:10 PM

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That match at Starcade after a year build-up was one of the worst examples in history of someone beign buried. Hogan killed Sting for the whole match, threw him on the ground, and w/o Sting delivering one offensive move pinned him clean after a legdrop. And then with the announcers trying to come up with some bullshit 'fast count' excuse,(the count was clearly not fast ) Bret Hart ran down, made some gibberish announcement about "this isn't happening again" (alluding to the Montreal incident; Hart had debuted that night for WCW) and re-started the match. How? We have no idea since hart had no authority in the storylines.

Seriously! Fucking hell!

**McLegend** · 07-27-2005, 09:10 PM

Ok well the match itself was bad. The ending made it terrible

Hogan pinned Sting (I forget the move he did that caused him to pin Sting proably the leg drop) Nick Patrick then counts 1-2-3. Hogan wins

Hogan is celebrating walking to the back then Bret Hart comes out and says that Nick Patrick's count was fast which it wasn't. So Bret restarts the match and Hogan then taps out to the Scorpion Deathlock.

So see it looked like that Hogan was still stronger Sting, becasue Sting needed help.

edit: PH's explantion is better

**PureHatred** · 07-27-2005, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Answer

Basically the match was a catastrophe and Hogan tapped out to the scorpion deathlock with Bret Hart as the ref.

As I said, you don't know what it mean to "put someone over." If you'd seen that match, hogan completely fucked Sting and basically shit on what was THE hottest feud in wrestling.

**Shadow** · 07-27-2005, 09:10 PM

I don't hate Hogan per se. I hate the god damn Hulkmaniacs that scream and mark out and bow down whenever he shows up. That's who I hate.

And I'm going to be one of them come Summerslam.

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PureHatred

You've got to be fucking kidding??!!!??

That match at Starcade after a year build-up was one of the worst examples in history of someone beign buried. Hogan killed Sting for the whole match, threw him on the ground, and w/o Sting delivering one offensive move pinned him clean after a legdrop. And then with the announcers trying to come up with some bullshit 'fast count' excuse,(the count was clearly not fast ) Bret Hart ran down, made some gibberish announcement about "this isn't happening again" (alluding to the Montreal incident; Hart had debuted that night for WCW) and re-started the match. How? We have no idea since hart had no authority in the storylines.

Keep in mind that Sting was laying on his back for this entire time.

Match restarts, Sting gets in two moves, Stinger splashm, pin. And Hogan walks out like it neve rhappened while Sting does the obligatory celebration w/all the faces.

You don't understand the difference between losing and putting someone over. And you are losing all credibility in this argument about Hogan.

The stupid writers probably couldn't come up with a proper ending as why wouldn't Sting kick out of the leg drop if he was supposed to win the match? It's not like no had never kicked out of it. I guess the backstage posturing between writers was fucked up. Some wanted Hogan to keep the belt while they others wanted to give it to Sting. Remember some of these guys came up with the craziest shit.

LK · 07-27-2005, 09:12 PM

So it wasn't plausable that Sting could kick out of the leg drop despite the fact that Goldberg kicked out of three leg drops.

LK · 07-27-2005, 09:13 PM

Wasn't Nash the head writer about this time?

**Loose Cannon** · 07-27-2005, 09:13 PM

This is a good discussion Answer. I like having these discussions on here. I will rep you for this.

LK · 07-27-2005, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

This is a good discussion Answer. I like having these discussions on here. I will rep you for this.

**Loose Cannon** · 07-27-2005, 09:14 PM

Well, it's actually rumored that right before the match, Hogan got into the ref's ear and told him about the change to the finish and the ref just went along with it.

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by legendkiller

So it wasn't plausable that Sting could kick out of the leg drop despite the fact that Goldberg kicked out of three leg drops.

That is what im saying as their was probably a mix up backstage with one writer telling Sting one thing and they other writer telling Hogan another. Hey at least Hogan let Sting get the submission he could have walked out.

LK · 07-27-2005, 09:16 PM

As already pointed out the damage was already done to Sting. The submission meant shit.

**Volchok** · 07-27-2005, 09:18 PM

I have never liked Hogan, Didn't like him back then don't like him now. Everything everyone has said why they didn't like him I totally agree with. There are some wrestlers I like and there are some I will never like, Hogan is one i'll never like..

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

Well, it's actually rumored that right before the match, Hogan got into the ref's ear and told him about the change to the finish and the ref just went along with it.

Well that's interesting and if true is really unproffesional. I don't know Hulk Hogan the man but from what I hear he is really great guy who doesn't mind talking to fans. I have read on several occasions about him doing autograph signings and staying their well past the time he was supposed to be their becuase of the overwheling crowd waiting.

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:20 PM

Again I don't expect everyone on here to like Hogan as you each have your own opinions. I just hope everyone respects the man for his contribution to the buisness.

**Shadow** · 07-27-2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Answer

Again I don't expect everyone on here to like Hogan as you each have your own opinions. I just hope everyone respects the man for his contribution to the buisness.

Oh don't get me wrong. I definitly respect what he's done for the wrestling business. I just wish he'd have the smarts to realize that he can't run with the young dogs anymore and it's time to pass the torch.

**Loose Cannon** · 07-27-2005, 09:24 PM

Oh and if we're talking about the correct way to put someone over. Let's take a prime example from this past year. HHH put over Batista like a million bucks. HHH did every single thing you're supposed to do to put someone over. He made Batista look on his level and he never made Batista look like a loser. When I say that I don't mean because Batista never lost to him, I mean because Batista always looked as strong and as smart as HHH. That's how you put someone over.

LK · 07-27-2005, 09:24 PM

I respect what he did once upon a time but that was in the 80's. In my opinion Hogan should have gracefully bowed out of wrestling after WM 18. Go out on the ultimate high.

**James Steele** · 07-27-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkscrewed

I resent Hogan because:

- In real life, he's a selfish, greedy, egotistical fogie who doesn't earn the money he's paid
- He's a horrible wrestler and always has been, but the time where you could get over based on literally five moves is long past
- He takes up TV time from younger wrestlers who deserve it more
- He constantly teases a last match but always comes back
- He's not really that entertaining anymore
- He hogs the spotlight instead of really putting people over
- And despite all of this, HE ALWAYS COMES BACK

Kinda like malaria.

That's why I resent him, and I'll readily admit it's my opinion.

And yes, I loved him as a kid, but now that I know how he's like, it's affected my judgment. I mean, if JBL wasn't an asshole in real life, I'd list him as one of my favorite wrestlers ever.

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow

Oh don't get me wrong. I definitly respect what he's done for the wrestling business. I just wish he'd have the smarts to realize that he can't run with the young dogs anymore and it's time to pass the torch.

Which is what he will do at Summerslam by jobbing to maybe the best wrestler in the last ten years Shawn Micheals. Hogan will than recieve a final standing ovation and then Hulkamania goes into the the wrestling history books.

LK · 07-27-2005, 09:26 PM

Unfortunately Hogan is going to beat HBK

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

Oh and if we're talking about the correct way to put someone over. Let's take a prime example from this past year. HHH put over Batista like a million bucks. HHH did every single thing you're supposed to do to put someone over. He made Batista look on his level and he never made Batista look like a loser. When I say that I don't mean because Batista never lost to him, I mean because Batista always looked as strong and as smart as HHH. That's how you put someone over.

Ya, your right but was this by choice or neccesity from the HHH over exposure that even the WWE saw after a while.

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by legendkiller

Unfortunately Hogan is going to beat HBK

I wouldn't be so sure maybe HBK finally surpasses Hogan's level which he talked about on monday that no one else was able to do.

**James Steele** · 07-27-2005, 09:30 PM

If you actually think that Hulk Hogan's last match is SummerSlam, you are insane.

LK · 07-27-2005, 09:31 PM

As Steele says there will be another last match and another. It's just boring.

**Shadow** · 07-27-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesSteele

If you actually think that Hulk Hogan's last match is SummerSlam, you are insane.

Hey dude...give the guy a little credit. If he wants Hogan to have a last match at SS, let him.

Course we all know Hogan's last match will be at Mania but hey now....let's have our little fantasies.

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesSteele

If you actually think that Hulk Hogan's last match is SummerSlam, you are insane.

I think Summerslam will be it for Hogan(as he will go out on top fighting one of the greats) unless Randy Orton wants to add another legend to his list...

**Xero** · 07-27-2005, 09:34 PM

I don't HATE Hogan, I just wish that he would have made better business decisions in WCW and now in WWE.

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Originally Posted by The Answer

Which is what he will do at Summerslam by jobbing to maybe the best wrestler in the last ten years Shawn Micheals. Hogan will than recieve a final standing ovation and then Hulkamania goes into the the wrestling history books.

Hulkamania won't be put into the wrestling books until Hogan is dead. Hogan is going to keep having these comeback and 'dream' matches. Austin is next after Michaels, I guarantee it. He'll face Austin at WrestleMania 22, watch.

**James Steele** · 07-27-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow

Hey dude...give the guy a little credit. If he wants Hogan to have a last match at SS, let him.

Course we all know Hogan's last match will be at Mania but hey now....let's have our little fantasies.

If by Mania, you mean WrestleMania 30 (and thats an early estimate.)

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126

I don't HATE Hogan, I just wish that he would have made better business decisions in WCW and now in WWE.

Hulkamania won't be put into the wrestling books until Hogan is dead. Hogan is going to keep having these comeback and 'dream' matches. Austin is next after Michaels, I guarantee it. He'll face Austin at WrestleMania 22, watch.

Can Austin even wrestle anymore with that neck? Face it their is no else left, he has faced Angle, HHH and all the rest. The only way I see anything happening is if Randy Orton needs to be put over more by RKO'ing Hogan and getting a three.

LK · 07-27-2005, 09:41 PM

I think he could probably have a match with someone like Hogan but never with the usual guys on the roster.

**The Answer** · 07-27-2005, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

This is a good discussion Answer. I like having these discussions on here. I will rep you for this.

Thanks, I just wanted to get a few things off my chest.

**Xero** · 07-27-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by legendkiller

I think he could probably have a match with someone like Hogan but never with the usual guys on the roster.

Yep. Austin wants to do a last match from what I've heard. Hogan would be his best bet.

**Shadow** · 07-27-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesSteele

If by Mania, you mean WrestleMania 30 (and thats an early estimate.)

Damn your optimistic. I'm saying Mania 2039 at the earliest.

**Kane Knight** · 07-27-2005, 10:39 PM

Resentment of Hogan stems from jealousy. I know I wish I could live in plush luxury for the occasional flexing of now-flabby muscles.

**Pepsi Man** · 07-28-2005, 01:57 AM

Jesus. With all of this knowledge about how to put guys over, it's a wonder Loose Cannon isn't in the WWE right now, or running his own promotion about to snuff the WWE out of business.

**Innovator** · 07-28-2005, 02:29 AM

The only match Hogan needs to have now is Hogan vs. Austin, either that or Hogan puts over a Cena/Batista/HHH

**Savio** · 07-28-2005, 03:56 AM

About Hogan vs Sting the count wasn't even that fast.

07-27-2005, 09:08 PM	#41
PureHatred Instant Credibility Posts: 2,979	You've got to be fucking kidding??!!!?? That match at Starcade after a year build-up was one of the worst examples in history of someone beign buried. Hogan killed Sting for the whole match, threw him on the ground, and w/o Sting delivering one offensive move pinned him clean after a legdrop. And then with the announcers trying to come up with some bullshit 'fast count' excuse,(the count was clearly not fast ) Bret Hart ran down, made some gibberish announcement about "this isn't happening again" (alluding to the Montreal incident; Hart had debuted that night for WCW) and re-started the match. How? We have no idea since hart had no authority in the storylines. Keep in mind that Sting was laying on his back for this entire time. Match restarts, Sting gets in two moves, Stinger splashm, pin. And Hogan walks out like it neve rhappened while Sting does the obligatory celebration w/all the faces. You don't understand the difference between losing and putting someone over. And you are losing all credibility in this argument about Hogan.

07-27-2005, 09:09 PM	#42
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Yea, Sting was built up as the savior of WCW. He took down basically every member of the nWo. Then he faced Hogan for the Title. This was suppossed to be the big win. But the match was shit. Hogan got most of the offense and he gave his legdrop to Sting in the middle of the match. The ref counted a fast 3. Now here we have Sting, who WCW spent a year building up to finally take down Hogan, taking a 3 count right in the middle of the ring. So Bret comes down and gets the match restarted. Sting hooks Hogan in the Deathlock and Hogan submits. Damage already down though

07-27-2005, 09:10 PM	#44
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,616	Ok well the match itself was bad. The ending made it terrible Hogan pinned Sting (I forget the move he did that caused him to pin Sting proably the leg drop) Nick Patrick then counts 1-2-3. Hogan wins Hogan is celebrating walking to the back then Bret Hart comes out and says that Nick Patrick's count was fast which it wasn't. So Bret restarts the match and Hogan then taps out to the Scorpion Deathlock. So see it looked like that Hogan was still stronger Sting, becasue Sting needed help. edit: PH's explantion is better

07-27-2005, 09:10 PM	#46
Shadow Shadow Conspircy leader Posts: 18,582	I don't hate Hogan per se. I hate the god damn Hulkmaniacs that scream and mark out and bow down whenever he shows up. That's who I hate. And I'm going to be one of them come Summerslam.

07-27-2005, 09:12 PM	#48
LK It's Clobbering Time! Posts: 5,337	So it wasn't plausable that Sting could kick out of the leg drop despite the fact that Goldberg kicked out of three leg drops.

07-27-2005, 09:13 PM	#49
LK It's Clobbering Time! Posts: 5,337	Wasn't Nash the head writer about this time?

07-27-2005, 09:14 PM	#52
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Well, it's actually rumored that right before the match, Hogan got into the ref's ear and told him about the change to the finish and the ref just went along with it.

07-27-2005, 09:16 PM	#54
LK It's Clobbering Time! Posts: 5,337	As already pointed out the damage was already done to Sting. The submission meant shit.

07-27-2005, 09:18 PM	#55
Volchok L.G. Fuad Posts: 4,834	I have never liked Hogan, Didn't like him back then don't like him now. Everything everyone has said why they didn't like him I totally agree with. There are some wrestlers I like and there are some I will never like, Hogan is one i'll never like..

07-27-2005, 09:20 PM	#57
The Answer R.I.P Eddie Guerrero Posts: 3,553	Again I don't expect everyone on here to like Hogan as you each have your own opinions. I just hope everyone respects the man for his contribution to the buisness.

07-27-2005, 09:24 PM	#59
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Oh and if we're talking about the correct way to put someone over. Let's take a prime example from this past year. HHH put over Batista like a million bucks. HHH did every single thing you're supposed to do to put someone over. He made Batista look on his level and he never made Batista look like a loser. When I say that I don't mean because Batista never lost to him, I mean because Batista always looked as strong and as smart as HHH. That's how you put someone over.

07-27-2005, 09:26 PM	#63
LK It's Clobbering Time! Posts: 5,337	Unfortunately Hogan is going to beat HBK

07-27-2005, 09:30 PM	#66
James Steele TPWW's HHH Mark Since '04 Posts: 29,886	If you actually think that Hulk Hogan's last match is SummerSlam, you are insane.

07-27-2005, 09:31 PM	#67
LK It's Clobbering Time! Posts: 5,337	As Steele says there will be another last match and another. It's just boring.

07-27-2005, 09:41 PM	#73
LK It's Clobbering Time! Posts: 5,337	I think he could probably have a match with someone like Hogan but never with the usual guys on the roster.

07-27-2005, 10:39 PM	#77
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	Resentment of Hogan stems from jealousy. I know I wish I could live in plush luxury for the occasional flexing of now-flabby muscles.

07-28-2005, 01:57 AM	#78
Pepsi Man Posts: 15,983	Jesus. With all of this knowledge about how to put guys over, it's a wonder Loose Cannon isn't in the WWE right now, or running his own promotion about to snuff the WWE out of business.

07-28-2005, 02:29 AM	#79
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	The only match Hogan needs to have now is Hogan vs. Austin, either that or Hogan puts over a Cena/Batista/HHH

07-28-2005, 03:56 AM	#80
Savio Spammy Certified Posts: 46,132	About Hogan vs Sting the count wasn't even that fast.