2005 MLB Playoffs Thread - Page 2

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Also, its kind of interesting how the AL represents basically the biggest markets in the US.

1. New York, 2. Los Angeles, 3. Chicago, and 5. Boston.

the top 3 also have NL teams as well, just in the playoffs this year.

**BCWWF** · 10-04-2005, 08:36 PM

If Philly made the playoffs you would have 1-5

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 08:36 PM

i'll say this much... i can care less who is playing right now. Fox's HD coverage is fucking amazing.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 08:37 PM

.......Kennedy.

**Dragon** · 10-04-2005, 08:38 PM

3-run double by Cano in the first. Going to be interesting to see what Mussina we will get tonight.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 08:39 PM

When it comes to Moose... it's a guessing game. He was the same way in Baltimore.

**The Miz** · 10-04-2005, 08:44 PM

lol god the Angels are such a joke. They're offense sucks and their pitching is overrated.

But hey, Chone Figgins can play 3 positions!!!!!!!!!

**BCWWF** · 10-04-2005, 08:45 PM

Damn, people are watching the west wing, I want to watch this game.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Miz

lol god the Angels are such a joke. They're offense sucks and their pitching is overrated.

But hey, Chone Figgins can play 3 positions!!!!!!!!!

and Seattle finished where exactly in that division?

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

Damn, people are watching the west wing, I want to watch this game.

you need to go find another tv. pronto.

**BCWWF** · 10-04-2005, 09:07 PM

I agree with Miz though, I don't think people know very much about Anahiem because nobody really gives a shit about the AL West (I hate to beat the dead horse LC, so I'll refrain from going on about that

) but really Colon isn't unhittable, the other starters aren't amazing, and really Garrett Anderson and those guys aren't that good.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 09:10 PM

I really want the Yankees to win this series (but I hope it goes 5 games) because it will get back to one of the greatest rivalries in sports: Chicago/New York (as long as we get through Boston).

If you think about it, outside of the fans hating each other, Boston/New York was never a big deal until recently. One of the great fights for dominance in baseball history has always be the White Sox and Yanks.

When the Yanks were going through their glory days in the 50s and 60s, who was fighting them tooth and nail the entire time? Not Boston (who where bottomfeeders for so long). It was Chicago.

If not for horrible ownership and bad managing, the White Sox might be giving NY a run for their money when it comes to total championships.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

I agree with Miz though, I don't think people know very much about Anahiem because nobody really gives a shit about the AL West

unless you live there.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2005, 09:25 PM

26 Championships to 2. That's not even a little close. I mean, if you're gonna say that, we can just say "insert team" could of gave the Yankees a run for total championships if it wasn't for bad managing and ownership.

well that and players throwing ball games

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2005, 09:27 PM

and go back and look at all the 2nd place finishes from Chicago from the late 50's to early 60's. The only time they were even close to the Yankees was in '64

**BCWWF** · 10-04-2005, 10:01 PM

I thought I read somewhere that the White Sox haven't won a World Series ever? Or was it just that the last time they won was before the Cubs?

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BCWWF

I thought I read somewhere that the White Sox haven't won a World Series ever? Or was it just that the last time they won was before the Cubs?

The Sox won in 1917

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2005, 10:05 PM

1917 was the last one. Then they threw the 1919 one and got there once after that.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

1917 was the last one. Then they threw the 1919 one and got there once after that.

Yeah, we lost to the Dodgers in '59

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2005, 10:07 PM

THE GO GO SOX

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:13 PM

yeah, we've had some cool slogans over the years.

@ the fact that, unless they do something quick, 2008 will mark a 100 year championship drought for the boys in cubbie blue.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:14 PM

they actually play the old "GO GO SOX" fight song during home games this year.

**The Miz** · 10-04-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

and Seattle finished where exactly in that division?

I'm assuming this is a VEL impression, if so

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2005, 10:29 PM

wtf kind of a call was that. you steal with Vlad when you're down 4-0 with AL Leiter on the mound. Real smart

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2005, 10:30 PM

and I'm implying Leiter is not good, so why even take a chance wit that.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:32 PM

Vlad was safe, but you are right... why the fuck was he running?

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2005, 10:33 PM

he's out just for being a dumbass

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:34 PM

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:34 PM

smart move by Jeter selling the tag.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:36 PM

i can't believe that Peavy is out for the rest of the playoffs from an injury he got from the celebration after clinching the NL west.

**Dragon** · 10-04-2005, 10:45 PM

Sturtze continues to be ineffective.

I remember last year, and earlier this year for a little bit when there was Sturtze-Gordon-Rivera that were reliable in the back of the pen. Now its basically down to Gordon-Rivera.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2005, 10:48 PM

god I thought that was gone

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:50 PM

man... these "scanner darkly-like" commercials freak me out.

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 10:53 PM

happy new year to all our jew friends here.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-04-2005, 11:18 PM

oh fuck. classic Rivera breakdiwn right here

**Joey Slugs** · 10-04-2005, 11:24 PM

the one downfall of games on Fox is that the game tonight was a 2 hour 20 min game played out in almost 3 and a half hours.

**VonErich Lives** · 10-05-2005, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey Slugs

If you get to Wells early, he gets rattled and that curve starts to hang.

The White Sox aren't afraid of the knuckle and have hit Wakefield very hard the last few matchups.

Schilling is not the Schilling from last year. He has the grit and toughness but will that be enough? He might not even see action in the 05 playoffs.

and if Manny and Ortiz get in a car accident on their way to work...

If you're going to predict, you look at what's most probably, not what's "possible"

Wells has been strong the last month and is used to "pressure" actually, seems to do better under it.

Wakefield has been the team ace all year and has had like 1 bad outing in a month or two.

Schilling has been hot/cold but does better at Fenway.

Red Sox take today and 2 at home. Then again, 2yrs ago they droped the first 2 and took 3 in a row from Oakland, so anything is possible. (and no, The White Sox don't have better pitching then Oakland did).

Side Note: BCWWF - Media Bias, I like Joe Buck, Timmy is clearly a yankee butt swab. That being saidm it's not a east coast bias for the media, it's TV markets, plain and simple. As for the Sox getting all this hype? Yeah, when they play the yanks it sells and also, they are the defending champs! (small detail you seem to forget) Both reasons for extra coverage. That being said, if you watch the coverage you see the shape the pitching, especially then pen is in and understand they don't have the best chances unless someone comes up huge.

While I still stick by my LA pick, none of these 4 would shock me to go to the WS and well, then lose to Hou or STL.

**BCWWF** · 10-05-2005, 10:36 AM

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Side Note: BCWWF - Media Bias, I like Joe Buck, Timmy is clearly a yankee butt swab. That being saidm it's not a east coast bias for the media, it's TV markets, plain and simple. As for the Sox getting all this hype? Yeah, when they play the yanks it sells and also, they are the defending champs! (small detail you seem to forget) Both reasons for extra coverage. That being said, if you watch the coverage you see the shape the pitching, especially then pen is in and understand they don't have the best chances unless someone comes up huge.

I understand the markets, they go something like this.

RANK	Designated Market Area (DMA)	TV Homes	% of US
1	New York	7,375,530	6.692
2	Los Angeles	5,536,430	5.023
3	Chicago	3,430,790	3.113
4	Philadelphia	2,925,560	2.654
5	Boston (Manchester)	2,375,310	2.155
6	San Francisco-Oak-San Jose	2,355,740	2.137
7	Dallas-Ft. Worth	2,336,140	2.120
8	Washington, DC (Hagrstwn)	2,252,550	2.044
9	Atlanta	2,097,220	1.903
10	Houston	1,938,670	1.759

Only two of those are in the "North East" that Loose Cannon described in another thread, but I would consider Phily and Washington D.C. "North East"

**BCWWF** · 10-05-2005, 10:37 AM

It wouldn't let me post my whole message.

So obviously its not because all of the fans are up there. It was never me complaining about the Yankee's game, that was Joey Slugs, frankly I don't think that matters much who was prime time last night.

It is obvious that the media gives more attention to the north east teams, specifically those in New York and Boston. That is a bias, even if you don't think its bad that is a bias. There are a few good reasons for that, one because they are two of the biggest markets in the U.S., another because they both usually have good teams, three because they usually have pretty consistent fans, and four because ESPN and most other networks are based out of New York or very near to it.

Nowthen, when I was complaining about the "east coast bias" it was during the regular season, when there was rediculous coverage on a meaning less series between the Yankees and the Sox. I was just pointing out how come playoff time it distorts everybodys vision about whats going on. Basically all we know about the Angels is that Vlad is amazing and Colon "should" be the Cy Young winner because he has a lot of wins. But really they aren't that good of a team, most likely a first round upset. Then the other one is that people were expecting the White Sox to fold like a bad hand, because even though they are in the third biggest market they are a "small market team" and the Red Sox were hyped up all season as the greatest, and thats how the majority of the US saw them. So now the Angels are going to get spanked and the White Sox are doing some spanking, and everybody is surprised because this is all new to them.

I think sports would be a lot better if a West Coast sports network came up, because the way ESPN works is that is has to cater to that area. With time zones and all that, it makes it impossible for them to give the time of day to the West Coast and Texas and all of them, so if there was another predominantly West Coast network, maybe it would work out then. Just a thought.

For the most part I think ESPN is great, it was just that night when they played the Curt Schilling blood tape and made it into a five minute feature for a meaningless series that he wasn't even pitching in, and that was one of like five different features that night.

**Loose Cannon** · 10-05-2005, 11:14 AM

I agree with your points about ESPN and baseball, but what about the other sports. Do you think ESPN tends to favor certain teams over others?

10-04-2005, 08:36 PM	#42
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	If Philly made the playoffs you would have 1-5

10-04-2005, 08:36 PM	#43
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	i'll say this much... i can care less who is playing right now. Fox's HD coverage is fucking amazing.

10-04-2005, 08:37 PM	#44
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	.......Kennedy.

10-04-2005, 08:38 PM	#45
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	3-run double by Cano in the first. Going to be interesting to see what Mussina we will get tonight.

10-04-2005, 08:39 PM	#46
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	When it comes to Moose... it's a guessing game. He was the same way in Baltimore.

10-04-2005, 08:44 PM	#47
The Miz Clutch Poster Posts: 11,997	lol god the Angels are such a joke. They're offense sucks and their pitching is overrated. But hey, Chone Figgins can play 3 positions!!!!!!!!!

10-04-2005, 08:45 PM	#48
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Damn, people are watching the west wing, I want to watch this game.

10-04-2005, 09:07 PM	#51
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I agree with Miz though, I don't think people know very much about Anahiem because nobody really gives a shit about the AL West (I hate to beat the dead horse LC, so I'll refrain from going on about that ) but really Colon isn't unhittable, the other starters aren't amazing, and really Garrett Anderson and those guys aren't that good.

10-04-2005, 09:10 PM	#52
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	I really want the Yankees to win this series (but I hope it goes 5 games) because it will get back to one of the greatest rivalries in sports: Chicago/New York (as long as we get through Boston). If you think about it, outside of the fans hating each other, Boston/New York was never a big deal until recently. One of the great fights for dominance in baseball history has always be the White Sox and Yanks. When the Yanks were going through their glory days in the 50s and 60s, who was fighting them tooth and nail the entire time? Not Boston (who where bottomfeeders for so long). It was Chicago. If not for horrible ownership and bad managing, the White Sox might be giving NY a run for their money when it comes to total championships.

10-04-2005, 09:25 PM	#54
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	26 Championships to 2. That's not even a little close. I mean, if you're gonna say that, we can just say "insert team" could of gave the Yankees a run for total championships if it wasn't for bad managing and ownership. well that and players throwing ball games

10-04-2005, 09:27 PM	#55
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	and go back and look at all the 2nd place finishes from Chicago from the late 50's to early 60's. The only time they were even close to the Yankees was in '64

10-04-2005, 10:01 PM	#56
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I thought I read somewhere that the White Sox haven't won a World Series ever? Or was it just that the last time they won was before the Cubs?

10-04-2005, 10:05 PM	#58
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	1917 was the last one. Then they threw the 1919 one and got there once after that.

10-04-2005, 10:07 PM	#60
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	THE GO GO SOX

10-04-2005, 10:13 PM	#61
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	yeah, we've had some cool slogans over the years. @ the fact that, unless they do something quick, 2008 will mark a 100 year championship drought for the boys in cubbie blue.

10-04-2005, 10:14 PM	#62
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	they actually play the old "GO GO SOX" fight song during home games this year.

10-04-2005, 10:29 PM	#64
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	wtf kind of a call was that. you steal with Vlad when you're down 4-0 with AL Leiter on the mound. Real smart

10-04-2005, 10:30 PM	#65
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	and I'm implying Leiter is not good, so why even take a chance wit that.

10-04-2005, 10:32 PM	#66
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	Vlad was safe, but you are right... why the fuck was he running?

10-04-2005, 10:33 PM	#67
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	he's out just for being a dumbass

10-04-2005, 10:34 PM	#68
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806

10-04-2005, 10:36 PM	#70
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	i can't believe that Peavy is out for the rest of the playoffs from an injury he got from the celebration after clinching the NL west.

10-04-2005, 10:45 PM	#71
Dragon REALMENTE Posts: 11,271	Sturtze continues to be ineffective. I remember last year, and earlier this year for a little bit when there was Sturtze-Gordon-Rivera that were reliable in the back of the pen. Now its basically down to Gordon-Rivera.

10-04-2005, 10:48 PM	#72
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	god I thought that was gone

10-04-2005, 10:50 PM	#73
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	man... these "scanner darkly-like" commercials freak me out.

10-04-2005, 10:53 PM	#74
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	happy new year to all our jew friends here.

10-04-2005, 11:18 PM	#75
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	oh fuck. classic Rivera breakdiwn right here

10-04-2005, 11:24 PM	#76
Joey Slugs Second City Saint Posts: 5,806	the one downfall of games on Fox is that the game tonight was a 2 hour 20 min game played out in almost 3 and a half hours.

10-05-2005, 10:37 AM	#79
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	It wouldn't let me post my whole message. So obviously its not because all of the fans are up there. It was never me complaining about the Yankee's game, that was Joey Slugs, frankly I don't think that matters much who was prime time last night. It is obvious that the media gives more attention to the north east teams, specifically those in New York and Boston. That is a bias, even if you don't think its bad that is a bias. There are a few good reasons for that, one because they are two of the biggest markets in the U.S., another because they both usually have good teams, three because they usually have pretty consistent fans, and four because ESPN and most other networks are based out of New York or very near to it. Nowthen, when I was complaining about the "east coast bias" it was during the regular season, when there was rediculous coverage on a meaning less series between the Yankees and the Sox. I was just pointing out how come playoff time it distorts everybodys vision about whats going on. Basically all we know about the Angels is that Vlad is amazing and Colon "should" be the Cy Young winner because he has a lot of wins. But really they aren't that good of a team, most likely a first round upset. Then the other one is that people were expecting the White Sox to fold like a bad hand, because even though they are in the third biggest market they are a "small market team" and the Red Sox were hyped up all season as the greatest, and thats how the majority of the US saw them. So now the Angels are going to get spanked and the White Sox are doing some spanking, and everybody is surprised because this is all new to them. I think sports would be a lot better if a West Coast sports network came up, because the way ESPN works is that is has to cater to that area. With time zones and all that, it makes it impossible for them to give the time of day to the West Coast and Texas and all of them, so if there was another predominantly West Coast network, maybe it would work out then. Just a thought. For the most part I think ESPN is great, it was just that night when they played the Curt Schilling blood tape and made it into a five minute feature for a meaningless series that he wasn't even pitching in, and that was one of like five different features that night.

10-05-2005, 11:14 AM	#80
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I agree with your points about ESPN and baseball, but what about the other sports. Do you think ESPN tends to favor certain teams over others?