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Old 11-29-2005, 01:34 AM   #41
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All you hardcore Bret marks... get over it. Not everybody is going to be as far up his ass as you all are.
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Old 11-29-2005, 01:56 AM   #42
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Old 11-29-2005, 02:59 AM   #43
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Part of Micheals thing is, when he wants to be, can be the best wrestler of all time. Trouble is, when he doesn't want to be, business has sufferred for his wants. Presently, he should be a heel challenging for the WWE Title. In the past, I'm sure Owen Hart's career NEVER suffered because of Shawn's ego (or Austin's freak neck injury or H's refusal to put him over, but I digress) [/sarcasm]. Example number 2: Shane Douglas. Sure the guy burned more bridges than Jarrett killed crowds, but the Dean Douglas character was catching fire in spite of being a shit gimmick. Micheals wouldn't put him over, though (the "Manhattan Incident," which to this day I STILL doubt ever happened.)
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Old 11-29-2005, 04:19 AM   #44
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Let me state to start of I am not a huge Bret Mark, I never really saw enough of his work (I was a WCW junkie) to become a huge fan.

That being said I hate Michaels ring psycology since his return. I have seen pretty much every televised HBK match since his return to face HHH and everytime he kips up and hits that elbow the mark in me dies just a little more because it is fucking fake.

I remember him wrestling a match against HHH I think but I'm not sure I know its happened more than once though and his opponent worked the back all freaking match, suddenly HBK hits his knock down, he kips up and runs to the top, hits an elbow and starts selling again as he gets up.

That pisses me off so bad when I go watch a guy like Benoit who constantly sells everything and yet guys are so far up Michaels ass a great seller and ring psycologist, give me a break.

Surely I'm not the only one this annoys?
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Old 11-29-2005, 04:31 AM   #45
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HBK has some of the worst ring psychology in the business. But his crowd psychology is almost flawless. He knows what to do and when to do it to get the desired reaction out of an audience. I appreciate ring psychology, but it isn't as important as working the crowd right. So I can ignore his flaws I suppose.
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Old 11-29-2005, 05:25 AM   #46
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I pretty much agree with Destor, except Hart > Flair (fuck you, it's true).

Hart and Michaels are both phenonimal wrestlers but each one excels at one kind of psychology, but not so much at the other. Thing is, Bret's technical prowess sucks you in. He won't play to the crowd at all during a match, but you can't turn away if you want to. The way he doesn't waste movement and stays on the guy like a vicious dog draws me in like a moth to a flame.
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I pretty much agree with Destor, except Hart > Flair (fuck you, it's true).
You're Canadian, I understand.
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It's not even a Canada thing. The first couple of years I saw Bret wrestling (I was like 9 years old) I didn't even know he was Canadian. He just mesmerized me with his prowess.
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It's not even a Canada thing. The first couple of years I saw Bret wrestling (I was like 9 years old) I didn't even know he was Canadian. He just mesmerized me with his prowess.
You grew up a Hart mark.
I grew a Flair mark (80's style .)
You can never shake those things.
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Oh I watched wrestling in the 80s. Jake The Snake and Macho Man.
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I only got WWF in Zimbabwe.

No NWA or AWA for me.
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Old 11-29-2005, 05:54 AM   #53
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I only got WWF in Zimbabwe.

No NWA or AWA for me.
What a shame. (Not that you were in Zimbabwe...er...you know what I mean.) AWA was pure wrestling no bullshit (for the most part.) NWA was mixture of WWF and AWA, with all the best talent. Great matches with great build ups and angles. Truly the top dogs back in the day (in my eyes anyhow.)

How far are we off topic now?
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Old 11-29-2005, 05:57 AM   #54
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Fuck the topic. This is now the "reminisce over the wrestling of old" thread.
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Old 11-29-2005, 06:03 AM   #55
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Better like this anyhow. Change the name Funky. You have the power!
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Old 11-29-2005, 06:05 AM   #57
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Seriously though, Ivan Koloff = da man. If you missed out on his career you need to look into it. He was one of the top three heels of his day. Every title match he had you had a feeling that this dirty Russian might steel this sucker. Top ten all time greatest heels right there and you never hear anything about him.
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Old 11-29-2005, 06:13 AM   #58
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I 've heard a bit about him, but never seen any of his matches. Damn, I really need to get WWE 24/7.
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The little bit I've seen of 24/7 I'm am in love with. They have so much. NWA, AWA, CWC (WWF before it was WWWF,) WWWF, WWF, WWE, ECW, WCW, Mid-Atlantic, and probably more. Its amazing. Not to mention all the 'Confidential' type pieces they have. What more can a fan want? GLOW? Or maybe WOW?
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Yeah, GLOW is shit. WOW (Women of Wrestling, if you didn't know) is just a cheap GLOW rip off. I'd take it over CZW though. [/obvious joke]
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LOL, I just realized the whole time I was talking about Ivan Koloff. I was thinking of Nikita Koloff. My bad, too long ago I suppose.

Any way I love Japanese women wrestling (even the hardcore when done right,) they get it done just as well the guys. Meguymi Kudo (I'm not spelling that right) would have death matches and tell these amazing emotional stories in the 90's. Too bad she never made it to the states. Best female wrestler I've ever seen.

American women wrestling was getting quite well from about 2001-2004ish and then it just went to shit about the same time they started that damn Diva Search shit. Plenty to bitch about the past few years though.
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Part of Micheals thing is, when he wants to be, can be the best wrestler of all time. Trouble is, when he doesn't want to be, business has sufferred for his wants. Presently, he should be a heel challenging for the WWE Title. In the past, I'm sure Owen Hart's career NEVER suffered because of Shawn's ego (or Austin's freak neck injury or H's refusal to put him over, but I digress) [/sarcasm]. Example number 2: Shane Douglas. Sure the guy burned more bridges than Jarrett killed crowds, but the Dean Douglas character was catching fire in spite of being a shit gimmick. Micheals wouldn't put him over, though (the "Manhattan Incident," which to this day I STILL doubt ever happened.)

read HBK's book....he never refused to job to Shane and he even told Vince he would but Vince said hell no we're gonna bury him...as far as the Manhattan Incident it happened in Syracuse and it is true in the book Shawn tells about how Bulldog and Waltman never even tried to help him when he left the bar that night and 6 guys jumped him.Shawn was dumped at Candido & Tammy's hotel room and they called 911 and Tammy actually stayed with Shawn that night to make sure he was alright

seriosuly everyone needs to get this book he sets the record straight on alot of things and alot of people
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HBK has some of the worst ring psychology in the business. But his crowd psychology is almost flawless. He knows what to do and when to do it to get the desired reaction out of an audience. I appreciate ring psychology, but it isn't as important as working the crowd right. So I can ignore his flaws I suppose.
Flawless crowd psychology my ass.

I remember a guy who was challenging Diesel to a WWE title match at Wrestlemania 11 who was supposed to be a heel, but he worked the crowd over to get pops and make Diesel look like nothing.
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Old 11-29-2005, 06:44 PM   #69
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Flawless crowd psychology my ass.

I remember a guy who was challenging Diesel to a WWE title match at Wrestlemania 11 who was supposed to be a heel, but he worked the crowd over to get pops and make Diesel look like nothing.
That only proves my point. The guy is heel but he knows how to work a crowd so well that he can still make them cheer him. Has 'em in the palm of his hand. May not have been professional but that doesn't have anything to do with psychology. Its all about getting the reaction you are looking for.
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Old 11-30-2005, 04:19 PM   #70
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Too bad when he was face he couldn't do anything about the "faggot" chants.
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I guess HBK doesn't think springboard planchas to to the outside are very exciting. Or excellent storytelling, for that matter.
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