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Old 02-28-2006, 05:23 PM   #41
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I'm not directly saying Flair COULDN'T work the match, but that fans are going to expect a lot of high spots that Flair can't deliver, which means that Van Dam and Shelton will have to slow down the pace of match to deal with Flair, which would be avoided switching Flair with Carlito.
Are you saying that unexpected automatically = bad?
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Old 02-28-2006, 05:43 PM   #42
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Interesting/surprising isn't always a good thing though. I may have been surprised, but looking over the Mania card, I'll buy a ladder match w/ Carlito in it before I will one with Flair in it.
YEah, they coudl surprise us with one of the Dicks main eventing Mania...Doesn't mean it'd be smart. People aren't going to pay fifty bucks for a PPV based on "Wow, I never saw THAT coming!"
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Old 02-28-2006, 05:51 PM   #43
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Are you saying that unexpected automatically = bad?
In wrestling, 85% of the time it is. Especially when people are expecting a certain type of match and get another one.
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Old 02-28-2006, 05:57 PM   #44
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Are you saying that unexpected automatically = bad?
What is expected of a MitB match is a lot of ladders followed with a lot of high spots. One superplex is not a lot. Remember the first TLC? Tons of high spots, even with the Dudleys there. They had some youth to pull it off.

Flair would need to be on the ground more or less the entire match. Flair is not a high spot wrestler, he's a technical wrestler. Guys like Benoit and Shelton made it good with their talents to go up to the top as well as be on the ground.

I dunno, it's not the unexpected that makes me think this would be bad, but the expected. I don't EXPECT Flair to put out that great of a preformance, I don't expect the high-spots to be done as much, but I do expect it to be a slower paced match (which the majority of the fans will be against as the much progresses).
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Old 02-28-2006, 07:48 PM   #45
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There really is no logic in putting a 57 yera old man a high flying ladder match.Lets put it that way.I wouldn't put Carlito in that kind of match either personally, but atleast he's not past his best.I really fucking hate Flair, he's ruining Carlitos career imo, first the IC title, and now this.
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:06 PM   #46
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It's WrestleMania. If Flair's in that match, he'll shock you all.
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:16 PM   #48
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Nah, I doubt it.
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Old 03-01-2006, 01:39 AM   #49
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Or die trying.
Honestly, I don't even WANT to see Flair try to take a bump from the top of a ladder. He shouldn't even be in a posistion where he should.

I do however want to see a frogsplash off the ladder, a t-bone off the ladder, and maybe Carlito's back cracker off the ladder
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Old 03-01-2006, 10:47 AM   #50
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It's WrestleMania. If Flair's in that match, he'll shock you all.
Flair shocks me every time he lives through a match. Again, not every shock is a good one.
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Old 03-01-2006, 10:49 AM   #51
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Flair shocks me every time he lives through a match. Again, not every shock is a good one.
Well then let me specify. This will be a good one. Is it really THAT hard to decipher the meaning of that post, or are you running out of tactics you haven't exploited to death yet?
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I can only hope...
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Old 03-01-2006, 01:28 PM   #53
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Well then let me specify. This will be a good one. Is it really THAT hard to decipher the meaning of that post, or are you running out of tactics you haven't exploited to death yet?
Is it that hard to decipher the meaning of my post, or are you running out of ways to ignore the fact that I don't buy into empty promises?
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Is it that hard to decipher the meaning of my post,
I don't think I'm alone in saying it often is.
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Old 03-01-2006, 01:37 PM   #55
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To me, the MITB seems like a great way to get a midcarder over and turn them into a main event option. Something that the WWE has a hard time doing.

Therefore, putting Flair in instead of Carlito seems like a huge waste of time.
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Old 03-01-2006, 01:41 PM   #56
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To me, the MITB seems like a great way to get a midcarder over and turn them into a main event option. Something that the WWE has a hard time doing.

Therefore, putting Flair in instead of Carlito seems like a huge waste of time.
But for a midcarder to get to that "next level" and become a main eventer, wouldn't it be a little more beneficial to go over an already established main eventer or two, rather than just being the "best of the midcarders"?

I mean, nothing against Rob Van Dam or even Shelton Benjamin in this case, but a win over either of them isn't exactly huge.
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But for a midcarder to get to that "next level" and become a main eventer, wouldn't it be a little more beneficial to go over an already established main eventer or two, rather than just being the "best of the midcarders"?

I mean, nothing against Rob Van Dam or even Shelton Benjamin in this case, but a win over either of them isn't exactly huge.
Well, my point was acually more towards the fact that if you're sticking Flair in the match, there's the possibility of him winning, which would be a huge waste of time.

But as to what you were saying ...

These days, a win over Flair is no big deal either. And last year Edge beat a set of opponents of similar caliber and because of the nature of the match and the fact that you're basically beating five other opponents, winning that suitcase gave him instant credibility.
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Old 03-01-2006, 02:09 PM   #58
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Well, my point was acually more towards the fact that if you're sticking Flair in the match, there's the possibility of him winning, which would be a huge waste of time.

But as to what you were saying ...

These days, a win over Flair is no big deal either. And last year Edge beat a set of opponents of similar caliber and because of the nature of the match and the fact that you're basically beating five other opponents, winning that suitcase gave him instant credibility.
I would say that Kane and Benoit (especially at the time) were both more built up than Shelton Benjamin and Rob Van Dam, but that's just my opinion.
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Old 03-01-2006, 03:33 PM   #59
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I don't think I'm alone in saying it often is.
Are you answering this one specifically, or just dodging again?
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Old 03-01-2006, 03:38 PM   #60
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Are you answering this one specifically, or just dodging again?
Actually (and no offense meant) I honestly wasn't all that clear on your point until you spelled it out.
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To me, the MITB seems like a great way to get a midcarder over and turn them into a main event option. Something that the WWE has a hard time doing.
(Not that I think Flair will win,) but it's not like they have an easy time getting Flair in a main event with the credibility he needs to make people think he could go over either. Flair may be a legend, THE legend, but he's nothing more than a glorified mid-carder. Your argument could be used to defend Flair as well. And if your like most people on the Internet look at it this way, if he wins his world title again he can go out on top and retire. It's a win win situation. Flair gets to go out like the champion he is, and you don't have to see him again. Now that's not so bad, is it?
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(Not that I think Flair will win,) but it's not like they have an easy time getting Flair in a main event with the credibility he needs to make people think he could go over either. Flair may be a legend, THE legend, but he's nothing more than a glorified mid-carder. Your argument could be used to defend Flair as well. And if your like most people on the Internet look at it this way, if he wins his world title again he can go out on top and retire. It's a win win situation. Flair gets to go out like the champion he is, and you don't have to see him again. Now that's not so bad, is it?
Flair is not a glorified mid-carder. That's ridiculous. His name value alone gives him credibility. The same way that Hulk Hogan can walk in to the WWE tomorrow, be given a title match, and it would be a main event caliber match on any PPV on the calendar.

If they built up Flair v Cena or Trips as "Ric Flair's last chance at gold" then you could sell that as your main event without problem.

Or put it this way: Ric Flair does not need to win th MITB in order to justify giving him a world title shot, whereas the rest of the other guys do. Why? Because he's Ric Flair.

I'm disappointed you even posted that, to be honest. Do you really need someone to tell you Ric Flair is a big enough name in the business that he doesn't need a win in some gimmick match to have his name at the top of a PPV? He's Ric goddamned Flair, for Jesus' sake.
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Flair is not a glorified mid-carder. That's ridiculous. His name value alone gives him credibility. The same way that Hulk Hogan can walk in to the WWE tomorrow, be given a title match, and it would be a main event caliber match on any PPV on the calendar.

If they built up Flair v Cena or Trips as "Ric Flair's last chance at gold" then you could sell that as your main event without problem.

Or put it this way: Ric Flair does not need to win th MITB in order to justify giving him a world title shot, whereas the rest of the other guys do. Why? Because he's Ric Flair.

I'm disappointed you even posted that, to be honest. Do you really need someone to tell you Ric Flair is a big enough name in the business that he doesn't need a win in some gimmick match to have his name at the top of a PPV? He's Ric goddamned Flair, for Jesus' sake.
As much as I am a Flair mark I wish what you just typed was even close to being true. Saddly, no, you are wrong.
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Flair is not a glorified mid-carder. That's ridiculous. His name value alone gives him credibility. The same way that Hulk Hogan can walk in to the WWE tomorrow, be given a title match, and it would be a main event caliber match on any PPV on the calendar.

If they built up Flair v Cena or Trips as "Ric Flair's last chance at gold" then you could sell that as your main event without problem.

Or put it this way: Ric Flair does not need to win th MITB in order to justify giving him a world title shot, whereas the rest of the other guys do. Why? Because he's Ric Flair.

I'm disappointed you even posted that, to be honest. Do you really need someone to tell you Ric Flair is a big enough name in the business that he doesn't need a win in some gimmick match to have his name at the top of a PPV? He's Ric goddamned Flair, for Jesus' sake.
This post brings up another good point, Flair doesn't even need to be in this match.I think he's just using backstage politics to get his way, and in doing so he's holding back the company from giving the younger guys a chance.
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This post brings up another good point, Flair doesn't even need to be in this match.I think he's just using backstage politics to get his way, and in doing so he's holding back the company from giving the younger guys a chance.
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