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Old 03-09-2006, 02:45 PM   #41
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^^ that and also. To the orginal poster there called paragraphs. You dont have to indent and be all perfectionist like, hell your paragragphs can even be more then 5 sentances a pieace, but please, my eyes were fucking killing me reading your post.
I'm not sure if it's the irony or your spelling (And normal lack of sentences, paragraphs, or legibility) that makes my head hurt.
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Old 03-09-2006, 02:50 PM   #42
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I love how you pick out of that only what's convenient in making Bret Hart look bad. This topic's been done to death, but again, Vince McMahon persuaded Bret into signing with WCW, and he wasn't refusing to drop the title in general, just refusing to drop it to Shawn Michaels. That may not be great in itself, but it's not as bad as you make Bret out to be by leaving that little detail out.

But yeah, I'd much rather see active wrestlers inducted into the Hall of Fame than retired ones.
You idiot. Michaels was a saint backstage, and Bret was a total cock. You fucking smarks make me sick, thinking you know anything about the real story. Bret made a pact with Satan and tried to corrupt Shawn, but Shawn was all "no, I'm too busy balancing my halo" and Bret was like "w/e i won't job 2 you harp boy" and then Shawn was like "no wai" and he was all "wai" and then they were fighting in the sandbox and Vince broke it up and he only lied to Bret because he feared Satan
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Old 03-09-2006, 03:22 PM   #43
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How can you say that?

Rock Austin and Hogan are the three luckiest guys in wrestling!

They all road the wave of a boom in wrestling.

If Rock was HBK it would have been a very similar story.
They rode the wave of the boom in wrestling, because they were the big reasons why it boomed.
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Old 03-09-2006, 03:56 PM   #44
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Damn, why do people make Bret Hart a saint when he does the childish "if he won't, I won't". 2 wrongs don't make a right, even for the Hitman.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:18 PM   #45
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They rode the wave of the boom in wrestling, because they were the big reasons why it boomed.
YEah, if anyone got lucky, it was Vince.
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Old 03-09-2006, 04:19 PM   #46
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Damn, why do people make Bret Hart a saint when he does the childish "if he won't, I won't". 2 wrongs don't make a right, even for the Hitman.
Who exactly has canonised him?
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:20 PM   #47
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Hahaha... ok guys im defeated what can I say? Honestly HBK is one of the most influental wrestlers of all time, if not the most influental ever... I don't deny that at all... When I posted my original topic, I had been drinking a bit and was kinda just pissed at HBK. My original post wasn't intended to be about "HBK not being a legend", it was more to say "HBK still has a lot to prove if he wants to be as great as he thinks he is". He is a legend no doubt, I retract my orignal statement. I was wrong.

ALSO

The matches I listed are not MY top 5 matched of all time, im just saying that those are probably the general fans top matches of all time... In my opinion the top five WWE matches are...

5. Steve Austin v.s Triple H at No Way Out 2001
4. Owen Hart v.s Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 10
3. Ricky Steamboat v.s Randy Savage at Wresltemania 3
2. Steve Austin v.s The Rock at Wrestlemania 17
1. Bret Hart v.s Steve Austin at Wrestlemania 13

Shawn Michaels has a lot to proove to me... he has had amazing matches, so many... Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Razor Ramon, Jericho, Triple H, Diesel, Jarrett... But still he should keep going! Right now, he is no where near WWE Title status, yet he is one of the best wrestlers on the roster? Why? Because his personality, it's an old gimmick, maybe if he modernized himself and stopped making us feel stupid by hearing that ridiculous 90's entrance theme and stopped try to play himself off as a "heartbreak kid" who is BALDING... why can't he just be himself? That's what he did in DX, and that was amazing... when he had the feud with Hogan, his promo's were off the charts! But now, we get the same old lame "underdog" that we always used to have. How the hell can a legend be an underdog... nobody is scared of HBK why? He has weak offense, he always just gets his ass kicked and then comes out of nowhere and knocks someone out... that's not belivable to me anymore. There is a lot he has to proove, he has to have feuds with John Cena, Big Show, RVD, Batista, Orton, Benoit, JBL, this list could go on...

So in conclusion, I made myself look like a fool by saying he is not a legend, I know, I feel dumb. But he needs some more title feuds to become along the lines of Hogan/Rock/Austin/Flair.

Oh and to avenger, I appreciate your last post I thought it was very mature, to all of you other guys who are slamming me for my opinions on wrestling or doubting my knowledge on the history of the sport, just chill out and try have a debate without personal attacks, it might make this place a lot more fun.
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Old 03-09-2006, 05:39 PM   #48
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How can you say that?

Rock Austin and Hogan are the three luckiest guys in wrestling!

They all road the wave of a boom in wrestling.

If Rock was HBK it would have been a very similar story.
See what the posteres before me have said.

Also, by making a statement like if Rock was HBK... you basically assume that just ANYONE could have been SCSA or The Rock. Which we all know is simply untrue. Not just anyone could have had those gimmicks. It was also the differences in their characters that made them such great rivals which in turn, helped both of their careers
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:14 PM   #49
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watch brets damn dvd and you'll see that he refused to drop the title to ANYBODY
bret signed with wcw on his own and he admitted it in the damn dvd
i'm not saying shawn was a saint cause he admitted to everything he's done backstage in his book and he holds nothing back
bret is a piece of shit who did'nt give a damn about anybody but his own damn self he even admitted in his book that he should have stayed with wwe so he would have been there with owen
now uphold your hero some more
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:18 PM   #50
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Well, I read in a recent interview that when HBK came in to reff the match between Taker and Hart at SS 97, afterwards Bret went to HBK and said that he was cool with him now and that he would job to him and HBK said he wouldn't do the same. I think that after all that they had already went through, and its a lot, that was very remarkable of Hart to say, and very disrespectful for HBK to say. Yeah Hart should have jobbed at Suvivor Series, and he would have if HBK would have been a proffesional, not a stuck up egomaniac. Sure, two wrongs dont make a right, but obviously Hart is very prideful of his country and his sport, it meant a hell of a lot more to him than it did HBK.
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:22 PM   #51
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Let's face it here folks, both (all three if you count Vince) aren't telling the whole truth in any interview, DVD, book, whatever. There are obviously bits and pieces that are true, but we won't get the absolute whole truth from any person or any number of people.
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Old 03-09-2006, 06:36 PM   #52
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LOL

Austin, Rock, Hogan - Vince made and broke all three of these guys.
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No not really. Yes Vince gave them the opportunity to become big, and marketed them incredibly well. Still though the 3 of them deserve all the credit in the world for becomming famous.

All 3 of them cut the promos and the had the matches, and had a distinct look and style. So yes of course Vince helped made them, but still most of the credit for them being so famous deserves to go to them.
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But you can hardly Rock and Austin created the Attitude era?

And that Hogan created the 80s boom?

The rode the wave of the boom that those who had come just before them had created, I am not saying they are great entertainers and decent wrestlers. But if HBK had come at the same time as Rock and Austin hit their peak he would've been a bigger star. He had the mic skills and in ring skills.

HBK helped start that Attitude era anyway.
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BUH?
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Old 03-09-2006, 07:07 PM   #57
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The Attitude era started when Austin said "Austin 3:16 says I just whipped your ass!"
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But you can hardly Rock and Austin created the Attitude era?

And that Hogan created the 80s boom?

The rode the wave of the boom that those who had come just before them had created, I am not saying they are great entertainers and decent wrestlers. But if HBK had come at the same time as Rock and Austin hit their peak he would've been a bigger star. He had the mic skills and in ring skills.

HBK helped start that Attitude era anyway.
I know HBK was one of the wrestles that started the attiude era. If HBk never got hurt he could have become even bigger during The attidude era. I know that.

Rock and Austin might not have started the Attidude Era(well Austin did) but they kept it going and IMO that's just as important as starting it. They are the main reasons why wrestling was so big in the 90's. Yes Hogan was the main reason for the boom in the 80's wheather you like him or not. Sure he had a lot of talented oppopnents that really helped him get over he didn't do it alone, but he was still the main reason for the boom in the 80's.

Also I think Hogan was another big reason why there was a boom in the late 90's. I honestly never remember hearing about WCW before Hogan turned heel. That's because I was such a big WWE mark I had no idea WCW existed. So Hogan is a main reason for the 2 big booms in professional wrestling.

Like I said wheather you like them or not they deserve most if not all of the credit for making themselves so famous.
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Hulkamania and Austin 3:16 did not ride a boom. There really was no boom at that point.

You can make a case for he Rock, as he was really created in the beginning of the Attitude era, and even then, he wasn't over as the popularity was swelling. However, by the time the Attitude Era was in full gear, he was already huge and established. However, even then, whether or not he was made by or made the era is debatable
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Damn, why do people make Bret Hart a saint when he does the childish "if he won't, I won't". 2 wrongs don't make a right, even for the Hitman.
I didn't say he was a saint, but the conveniently omitted facts about the whole situation make Bret look WORSE THAN is fair, to everyone, whatever their general opinions are.
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Yeah, but not demonising BRet is sainting him.
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