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Old 03-11-2006, 07:36 PM   #41
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That will make him heel #3 after HHH and Edge! It will ruin the WWE because they will destruct their biggest new star. Who else has the face potential of Cena? No one that's who. Cena identifies with the youth of today, the rest of the WWE doesn't. WWE needs to be smart.

Also, why is Angle face now? Because WWE realized fans will not boo him because he is a legend, so they made him a face.
 
Old 03-11-2006, 07:38 PM   #42
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I don't know what show u were watching but on raw it was a miniority, a large number of people still cheered for cena, u know, a few bad apples ruin a bunch
Yeah. It was just those males above the ages of 12...You know, the MINORITY in the wrestling fanbase.
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It's pretty sad when your biggest fan base has a very high-pitched cheer.
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Yeah. It was just those males above the ages of 12...You know, the MINORITY in the wrestling fanbase.
Not true, I am 19 and I cheer for Cena. So do a lot of people over 12, it's just that a lot of guys go to "screw" with the program and they think its really rebellious to boo a face and cheer the heel and they get a kick out of doing that.
 
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[quote=Vermaat]Not true, I am 19 and I cheer for Cena. So do a lot of people over 12,[\quote]

And the fact is, it's predominantly female. It's not hard to tell that Cena is not over with most of the major demographic, the males who've hit puberty.

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No it's not, or you would see it happening in more instances.

But shit, why let reality get in the way of your argument?
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2. Angle did not play a proper heel against Cena thats a given. U can see a mile away his cheap heat that he was using and the fans saw that and laughed at it that's why he was getting cheered, because it was so ridiculous that u can't help but laugh. Angle missed the mark here.
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First of all, John Cena isn’t the best thing to happen to the WWE in the last five years. Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero winning their brands’ respective World Titles was better. Christian getting cheered over BATISTA (damn good feat) was better. Hell, Batista’s face turn was better. John Cena WILL be a leader of the WWE, but not as their top babyface. Sorry, but Paul London has a better chance. John Cena is talented, but he doesn’t play the thug character well. John Cena will be a leader of the WWE when he settles into a stable heel role. Trust me; this guy reminds me so much of Triple H it isn’t funny. He’s got all the wrestling talent in the world, but people discount it, much like they do Triple H’s. This guy has all the tools to be Triple H's successor as top heel of the WWE.

I agree with your point about John Cena needing to win at WrestleMania 22. I will be rooting for a Cena win as well. JC is undefeated at WrestleMania, and the WWE likes its Mania streaks. If Cena can pick up some more wins and turns heel, when he jobs to a face at WrestleMania, it will be huge.

Mark Henry going over The Undertaker is stupid. Sorry, but it is.

Kurt Angle is done? Have you watched SmackDown! recently? The guy has had great matches with The Undertaker, of all people. Angle is also my preference for walking out of WrestleMania with the gold. I know two successful World Title defenses at WrestleMania may seem crazy, but it just goes to show how shit the WWE have built up Mania. Maybe if John Cena was challenging and Kurt Angle had an opponent that can win without fucking up storylines or without it being the entirely wrong time for a title reign, things could be different.

Part of me wants to see Kurt Angle drop the title at Mania, but to the winner of the MITB Ladder Match. Rob Van Dam? He’s the only guy I can see pulling it off without fucking things up. Unless they get Chris Jericho back to SmackDown!, have him enter the MITB Ladder Match, win and take the belt from Angle. That would be awesome.
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Not true, I am 19 and I cheer for Cena. So do a lot of people over 12, it's just that a lot of guys go to "screw" with the program and they think its really rebellious to boo a face and cheer the heel and they get a kick out of doing that.
No, there are a few people who are not sheep of corporate America, and don't conform to products they don't want to buy in to. John Cena is one of them. Randy Orton was another. The fans still cheer Batista, still cheer Shawn Michaels, and as much as I hate to see it, they still cheer The Undertaker. Booing those guys would be evidence of your statement, but unfortunately you are just a Cena mark, which is fine, but you need to stop speaking as if everything you say is supported by facts.

Facts are, Cena got booed so much the fans went nuts for Carlito when he stomped the shit out of him. Having Edge win the title from Cena didn't ruin anything, it got a huge reaction, including a temportary spike in the ratings. Fans TUNED-IN to see a John Cena-free broadcast.

I have not been a Cena supporter. I was one of the few last year who said he shouldn't win the WWE Championship. I have kept my basis for hating the John Cena character strictly within the realms of reality. The whole rap/gangster thing is dying off, with most teenage youths actually trying to distance themselves from it, trying to create images of their own. Professional Wrestling itself is kind of a fad that died off, so it shouldn't be expected to keep up with the times, but having a dated pop-culture icon as its figurehead probably isn't the best way to make a comeback. I actually think John Cena going back to his "Prototype" character would be a better direction for the company.

Who cares if Cena sells merchandise? They sacrificed merchandise sales when they turned Gregory Helms heel. Was that a mistake? Common sense would tell you it is not, as talent like Paul London & Brian Kendrick have gotten PPV time and exposure, which hopefully leads to something for those men down the road.

I NEVER buy merchandise. I don't even buy the T-Shirts of bands I listen to. You find a lot of the people who do buy merchandise, are those with enough time, or with a high enough ratio of money they can throw away, to really buy into a product and commit themselves to it. Younger people, as in 12 year olds. They don't have mortgages or taxes, and have more money to spend on their pass-times. Older audiences buy merchandise, too, but you'll find a lot of the people buying into Mysterio masks and Cena chains are little kids showing their full attention to their heroes. That's good and all, but when you go by merchandise sales, this creates a huge problem:

The main audience of the WWE are the ones who instead of buying a Mysterio mask by a "Best of Ric Flair" DVD (generally). This older audience gets offended when the WWE tries and pass narrow ideas past them (Juniors! Haha! They're little, which means they can't be serious athletes!). Unfortunately, some narrow ideas catch on like wild fire (The Undertaker, Boogeyman, etc.). A lot of the time, the older male audience realises that the ideas being embodied within WWE programming are being crafted for the audience that would choose to buy a Mysterio mask, because it means that Rey might see it and be friends with the kid wearing it, rather than buying a Mysterio DVD, which highlights how amazing in the ring he is. When you create that sense of realisation within the audience, that is when you alienate them.

My cousin, who is a long-time watcher of wrestling (he actually introduced me to it), has stopped. I'm not sure when exactly, but he was sick of being looked over by the writers. And honestly, the WWE doesn't seem to be trying. Instead of getting people who can connect with 20-somethings, they get writers who used to write for NICKELODEON! One suggested Melina be revealed as a transexual. Yeah, that is smart. It seems they just throw ideas out there to try and be radical, when in reality, ANYONE could write a more compelling storyline. Stop writing for mentally impaired, and I don't mean to alienate that audience, but for anyone who thinks The Dicks is a funny name, I doubt you will be reading this, because you would have seen the word "corporate" in my first paragraph and given up trying to understand where I am coming from.

Cena's character is an example of "Let's send the kids home happy at the expense of a more mature audience", and it will backfire for the WWE, as even if those kids remember the good times WWE brought them, when they are older and go to watch, they will realise how stupid it is and will move on. So in a way, the audience will always outgrow wrestling.

Now, if the WWE had brains, they would realise that sometimes kids watch shows with more mature concepts that they don't quite understand, and they will watch. And guess what? They won't outgrow it. They may not like it, but they won't feel childish for watching.
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Alienoid, it's more than a few. The resounding boos he got in some venues were not some renegade faction who aren't sheep.

The fact is, even the sheep are starting to turn on the sheppherds.
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The wwe is stuck in a cross generation time warp, they've gone back to the
80's with cheesy gimmicks like Paul the Pirate Burchill, the Boogeyman and others to name a few. Like Alienoid said some of these ideas have caught on, for example i think Burchill's brilliant, when before he was teaming with Regal i wasn't so sure.
However in the case of Cena it's too much, a large part of the wwe's audience grew up watching the attitude era, and loved wrestling being cutting edge and daring to a point. They see Cena and its more of a cartoon character then the hip image of todays world. He's supposed to be.
They are Bringing Animal back to turn on his partner, several years after his death and you sit there wondering what the hell is the point.
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Also I think the reason Cena gets booed by some people in the crowd is because it is a new trend to boo the faces and cheer the heels, people think it's cool because it is against the usual rules.
Or... John Cena is mediocre and we aren't buying it.
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Both John Cena and Randy Orton could have been big, but the WWE fucked it up. Now they will be nothing big at all. They may be entertaining (at times) but no longer have the ability to be BIG.



Carlito has the chance to be BIG, except he's stuck jobbing to a 56 year old.
They didn't exactly book the Rock right the first time either.

However, they could have been looking at a new Attitude Era, with all the players: Build i around their Franchises, Orton and Cena. Supporting characters could easily include Christian, Batista, Hassan, Michaels (He's old but busting his ass), etc. Run with them. Let the over guys work at it, and even if Christian and such never would have been champion, they would have made for an entertaining upper midcard (Remember whne people like Venis would get title shots, and even though they never won, it looked good because they were popular and remotely credible?). Build up people like Carlito, and have main eventers put them over instead of vice versa. Ric Flair's gonnaa leave behind a trail of Jobbers, where Shelton and Carlito should BOTH be on better things.
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Or... John Cena is mediocre and we aren't buying it.
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I think you should get off Cena's dick "Make it or Break it guy" because the bottom line is all face champions have short life spans. Cena has already been the champ for a year. All the fans will be getting sick of him including his teeny bopper army. No matter how much the wwe changes his face character ether to the prototype or to a more thuggish character it will be hard for the fans to stay intrested in someone for so long. However he can survive at a upper- midcard level as a face just so he hasnt the title for a long peroid of time.

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That was the first sign you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Calling the 619 a "new move" is another. Rey and many other superstars (not in the WWE, but still) have been doing that for years. Innovation? Rey is innovative, but they let neither him, nor hardly anyone else show it. If he was truly innovative, he'd be pulling off new moves every two weeks. But they don't let him do that.

Cena as their biggest face? Kurt Angle not playing the heel properly? Sounds EXACTLY like what the writers were using as excuses. Wow, are you sure you're not HHH or a WWE writer? Or Vince? Hilarious.

And Kurt being old generation? You know, Rey Mysterio's been wrestling professionally TEN YEARS longer than Kurt. If anything, Rey's the oldie.

You totally sound like a WWE writer trying to defend himself by saying things like they're fact, when he's totally wrong but doesn't know it. I'd say it's a joke account, but Funky Fly has denied that, so you're an actual certifiable goon!

This is classic. "Make it or break it?" Go back to school where your friends will think you know what you're talking about. Around here, people are smarter than that, so your so-called assertations will continue to be picked apart by... everyone.
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Old 03-12-2006, 05:04 AM   #69
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Vermaat This is only my second post but hey. ANGLE ROCKS. Yes his pace has been slower recently but that is because his last 2 matches were against The Undertaker. Go figure. Put Angle in a ring with Chris Benoit or Rey Mysterio and watch his pace suddenly return. Secondly do you really think Mark Henry should end Takers streak? are you insane?? i started watchin wrestling again recently after missing 2004/05 and was extremely happy to find Kurt Angle champion he deserves it and should be champ because he is the best WRESTLER in WWE.

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Old 03-12-2006, 05:39 AM   #73
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Kurt CAN play a proper heel. But he didn't during the Cena fued. imho
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That was the first sign you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Calling the 619 a "new move" is another. Rey and many other superstars (not in the WWE, but still) have been doing that for years. Innovation? Rey is innovative, but they let neither him, nor hardly anyone else show it. If he was truly innovative, he'd be pulling off new moves every two weeks. But they don't let him do that.

Cena as their biggest face? Kurt Angle not playing the heel properly? Sounds EXACTLY like what the writers were using as excuses. Wow, are you sure you're not HHH or a WWE writer? Or Vince? Hilarious.

And Kurt being old generation? You know, Rey Mysterio's been wrestling professionally TEN YEARS longer than Kurt. If anything, Rey's the oldie.

You totally sound like a WWE writer trying to defend himself by saying things like they're fact, when he's totally wrong but doesn't know it. I'd say it's a joke account, but Funky Fly has denied that, so you're an actual certifiable goon!

This is classic. "Make it or break it?" Go back to school where your friends will think you know what you're talking about. Around here, people are smarter than that, so your so-called assertations will continue to be picked apart by... everyone.
I think we found someone dumber than Kalyx. "Make or Break."

Anywya, Mysterio's allowed far more than most people, but he's had to slow down severely. This isn't an example of the big bad WWE forcing Rey to slow down.

But let's be fair. He probably assumes that anyone that short has to be young.
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That was the first sign you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Calling the 619 a "new move" is another. Rey and many other superstars (not in the WWE, but still) have been doing that for years. Innovation? Rey is innovative, but they let neither him, nor hardly anyone else show it. If he was truly innovative, he'd be pulling off new moves every two weeks. But they don't let him do that.

Cena as their biggest face? Kurt Angle not playing the heel properly? Sounds EXACTLY like what the writers were using as excuses. Wow, are you sure you're not HHH or a WWE writer? Or Vince? Hilarious.

And Kurt being old generation? You know, Rey Mysterio's been wrestling professionally TEN YEARS longer than Kurt. If anything, Rey's the oldie.

You totally sound like a WWE writer trying to defend himself by saying things like they're fact, when he's totally wrong but doesn't know it. I'd say it's a joke account, but Funky Fly has denied that, so you're an actual certifiable goon!

This is classic. "Make it or break it?" Go back to school where your friends will think you know what you're talking about. Around here, people are smarter than that, so your so-called assertations will continue to be picked apart by... everyone.
I think we found someone dumber than Kalyx. "Make or Break."

Anywya, Mysterio's allowed far more than most people, but he's had to slow down severely. This isn't an example of the big bad WWE forcing Rey to slow down.

But let's be fair. He probably assumes that anyone that short has to be young.
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Alright seriously, I'm a noob myself and i think this man is an idiot.

Angle IS the man and I've wanted cena to drop the title ever since he got it, to guys like Christian, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle and Edge. Ratings went up huge when Edge won the wwe Title, because people just generally hate john cena.........And edge is one of their best heels right now.

Mysterio better than Orton? Both are talented, although most of orton's talent is un-used. Orton is over as a heel, one of the best......he faces legendary faces and destroys them (other than undertaker).It gets him huge heat, and the fact that he's already been champion is enough to give him the belt again because its very beleivable and Orton deserves it (even though i don't like how they make him shit on eddie).

Rey Mysterio IS boring character wise, and should not come out of Mania as champ, wrestling wise he is fantastic, but his gimmick is shitty because they make EVERYTHING about Eddie, they should respect eddie and not bother putting him into storylines.

Oh and if this dude thinks he won't see HHH with the title around his waist again, he is very mistakenly wrong because he can get it back literally whenever he wants because he's fuckin the bosses daughter, and because he wants to be better than Ric Flair and shit on his legacy among others.

To sum it up, Cena sucks, HHH wins, Angle rocks, Orton rocks, Mysterio is lame on the mic, good in the ring.
 
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