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Old 04-12-2006, 02:30 AM   #41
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Old 04-12-2006, 02:41 AM   #42
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Old 04-12-2006, 04:09 AM   #43
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I don't really think it's a question of credibility. Kane has beaten countless main eventers and is still being misused.

Any time you have a deserving talent with an opportunity to win a belt, it's all good. Saying Kane doesn't have the credibility to win a belt is the equivalent of saying RVD doesn't deserve to win a World/WWE title.

For that matter, many thought Benoit would never win "the big one". But, he did. I think WWE purposely buries talent and then lets them win a title just so you'd believe their corny tag line "Anything can happen in the WWE!".

As for Kane's movie "See No Evil" it looks good, but, I'll reserve judgements until I see it. Having Kane chokeslam Show was a good, strong move towards making Kane a main-eventer.
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Old 04-12-2006, 04:18 AM   #44
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I don't really think it's a question of credibility. Kane has beaten countless main eventers and is still being misused.

Any time you have a deserving talent with an opportunity to win a belt, it's all good. Saying Kane doesn't have the credibility to win a belt is the equivalent of saying RVD doesn't deserve to win a World/WWE title.

For that matter, many thought Benoit would never win "the big one". But, he did. I think WWE purposely buries talent and then lets them win a title just so you'd believe their corny tag line "Anything can happen in the WWE!".

As for Kane's movie "See No Evil" it looks good, but, I'll reserve judgements until I see it. Having Kane chokeslam Show was a good, strong move towards making Kane a main-eventer.
But see, that's exactly what I'm saying. Kane could be a main eventer, but he's not. Right now he is a tier below the John Cena's, Triple H's, Edge's and Shawn Michaels' on RAW.

Kane is just outside the circle of being a "top guy". He's never really stepped into that circle. I doubt he will this time, but I would love to see it happen.

A few wins and a few mark out moments of destruction is all he really needs to be viewed as a title threat. Right now he has been away from the hunt for so long, they really need to ease him back in. A win against Big Show would do that.
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Old 04-12-2006, 04:27 AM   #46
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But see, that's exactly what I'm saying. Kane could be a main eventer, but he's not. Right now he is a tier below the John Cena's, Triple H's, Edge's and Shawn Michaels' on RAW.

Kane is just outside the circle of being a "top guy". He's never really stepped into that circle. I doubt he will this time, but I would love to see it happen.

A few wins and a few mark out moments of destruction is all he really needs to be viewed as a title threat. Right now he has been away from the hunt for so long, they really need to ease him back in. A win against Big Show would do that.
I agree to some degree that Kane is outside the top-tier level. Why is that?

Simple. During the "Attitude" era in which the Kane character debuted, he made his impact and then floundered away to doing nothing. He was stuck with freakin' X-Pac[which is a punishment no wrestler should have to endure] and was then a member of the McMahon/Taker/Kane alliance. Although Kane was briefly WWF Champion for one day, having him lose the next RAW masked what credibility he had going into the main events..........

Fast forward about 7 years and you get the watered down version of Kane stuck doing nothing. The sad thing is in-between those 7 years, he only got 3 title shots. One against Austin, one against HHH, and one against Benoit.....

So, as I said, his history of being a main-event guy is there, it's just the misusing of his character that's the issue. I agree they need to improve his current character before giving him a World title.
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Old 04-12-2006, 11:32 AM   #47
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Kane's been going for the World Title, just never winning it lately, much like Undertaker used to do. YES, I know they're not really brothers, but that's the first similie that came to mind. Kane was even in the Elimination Chamber earlier this year and usually is.

As for "John Cena's, Triple H's, Edge's and Shawn Michaels'", Kane's come pretty close with Triple H, and it seemed like Kane got at least as many wins over Edge when they were feuding last year as Edge got over Kane.
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Old 04-12-2006, 01:31 PM   #48
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Kane's been going for the World Title, just never winning it lately, much like Undertaker used to do. YES, I know they're not really brothers, but that's the first similie that came to mind. Kane was even in the Elimination Chamber earlier this year and usually is.

As for "John Cena's, Triple H's, Edge's and Shawn Michaels'", Kane's come pretty close with Triple H, and it seemed like Kane got at least as many wins over Edge when they were feuding last year as Edge got over Kane.
I remember Kane getting his ass kicked weekly cause he was a bitch about the whole Lita thing.

I, personally, feel like they've shattered Kane's credibility. This isn't something that occurred in a short period of time. Just consider years and years of losses in title matches/elimination chambers etc.

I want to get behind Kane, like I'm sure a number of people do. Its just after all this time of being in and out of the main event, having a one day title reign to show for it and a bunch of misses thereafter, its hard to believe he's finally gonna get it. It doesn't help that he'd be beating Mysterio and not Cena, as I think having him beat Cena would do wonders for his credibility. As is, I think if booked correctly, they could make him seem formidable, but it seems from what's been said, the just wanna send him over to SD, stomp out Ray and hold the belt in time for the whole movie project
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Old 04-12-2006, 01:45 PM   #49
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Fast forward about 7 years and you get the watered down version of Kane stuck doing nothing. The sad thing is in-between those 7 years, he only got 3 title shots. One against Austin, one against HHH, and one against Benoit.....
He got a few more like with goldberg and all that sheezy.

Kane requested he lose the title the next night because as champ you had to do a lot of shit more then other wrestlers, and wearing a full body suit that didn't allow sweat wouldn't allow him to do that (According to him)

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Kane needs to fuck people up, maybe get a win over HBK would give him enough credibility............But come seriously any one could beat rey.
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Old 04-12-2006, 04:31 PM   #52
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The more and more I think about it, the more and more I want to see John Cena retain the WWE Title at Backlash, then get cocky and challenge anyone in the back, only for Kane to come out, face John Cena, and hit three Chokeslams in a row on Cena to become two-time WWE Champion.
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Old 04-13-2006, 04:03 PM   #54
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Kane needs to go Psycho on everything and everyone, remember a few years back, when he threw Bichoff off the stage? He needs to something like that on a bigger scale to everyone. Then he should go to smackdown and pull the fist down somehow. Just fuck up everything. Then give him a title shot.
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Old 04-13-2006, 10:08 PM   #55
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That segment on Raw where we could hear Kanes thoughts would've been more realistic/made more sense if he couldn't hear his thoughts.I hate this style of writing WWE is using recently.They're making it as though we are watching a movie.Look back to Ortons feud with the Undertaker,we could see stuff Orton was seeing, and that no one else could.It makes no sense.I want the WWE writing team to explain to us how we see/hear these things.I imagine they would have a hard time doing so.
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Having said that, I liked the part when he was going psycho on the SS&Big Show.
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Old 04-13-2006, 11:07 PM   #57
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Am I the only one less bothered by the actual fact we could hear what was going on in his head (Which'll likely turn out to have an explanation, because the big things never do, but the dumb things always do), than the content itself?
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Old 04-14-2006, 02:04 AM   #58
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We're talking about a company that had a 60 year old woman give birth to a hand for Christ's sake. Us being able to hear Kane's thoughts shouldn't surprise you.

It's not as bad as the Ultimate Warrior/Hogan angle from WCW. I remember a skit when Hogan got freaked out looking in the mirror, saying that Warrior was in it, prompting Bischoff to look and say that Warrior wasn't there. Unfortunately, WE could all see the Ultimate Warrior standing in the mirror. Talk about fucked up angles.
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It's not as bad as the visions Taker sent Orton, either.
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Half the reason Kane was effetive was because of his mask, it brought mystery to his character, now he just looks like the worlds biggest transvestite. Kane wasnt that much of a main eventer back in the attitude era, but people avoided him like the plague. Without a face you couldn't see any emotions, its only a matter of time before we see kane cry. If he did put his mask back on, people wouldnt question it, they'd just be glad it was back.
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Because you seem Hell-bent on providing so many reasons to ask.
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How do I respond to a...thing, like that?
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Old 04-14-2006, 11:18 AM   #66
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I don't know...Do you even know what a transvestite is?
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We're talking about a company that had a 60 year old woman give birth to a hand for Christ's sake. Us being able to hear Kane's thoughts shouldn't surprise you.

It's not as bad as the Ultimate Warrior/Hogan angle from WCW. I remember a skit when Hogan got freaked out looking in the mirror, saying that Warrior was in it, prompting Bischoff to look and say that Warrior wasn't there. Unfortunately, WE could all see the Ultimate Warrior standing in the mirror. Talk about fucked up angles.
To me, neither is better than the other.
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Am I the only one less bothered by the actual fact we could hear what was going on in his head (Which'll likely turn out to have an explanation, because the big things never do, but the dumb things always do), than the content itself?
To be honest, I was so distracted by the fact that I could hear his thoughts that I didn't pay any attention to what he was saying...to himself.
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Old 04-14-2006, 06:13 PM   #71
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To be honest, I was so distracted pleasuring myself over rather shitty gimmicks to notice one way or the other.
Fix'd. Still can't accept that this gimmick isn't shitty enough for you to fawn over.
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Am I the only one less bothered by the actual fact we could hear what was going on in his head (Which'll likely turn out to have an explanation, because the big things never do, but the dumb things always do), than the content itself?
As i said, i liked the bit when he was going psycho on everyone.I just can't understand why we had to hear his thoughts, wouldn't it be more dramatic if we couldn't?
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KAne floundering backstage wouldn't seem dramatic no matter what they did.
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I liked just john's idea of Kane going ape shit on Smackdown, tearing the fist down and going nuts. I so want to see that.
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Fix'd. Still can't accept that this gimmick isn't shitty enough for you to fawn over.
Well, accept it or don't accept it, not much I can do about it. But there's a difference between a shitty gimmick and a campy gimmick. The Spirit Squad is good, campy fun. Kane hearing voices in his head (that, through the magic of bad storytelling, we can hear too!) is shit.
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I liked just john's idea of Kane going ape shit on Smackdown, tearing the fist down and going nuts. I so want to see that.
Ditto. It would be a good reason to change up the SD set.
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KAne floundering backstage wouldn't seem dramatic no matter what they did.
I disagree.Not hearing his thoughts would make us more willing to believe something is actually going wrong in his head, and it would add more mystery to the storyline.
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Mystery? So far the only mystery is why loopy doesn't treat all really stupid gimmicks equally.
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I thought you were going to use that word mystery and come up with something, but you know what i mean.
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