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Old 05-02-2006, 10:14 PM   #41
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Something about that seems fishy.
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:21 PM   #42
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God that was the best promo ever, but some things just didn't make sense to me. I know I'm not a harcore ECW viewer, but weren't there "stories" in ECW? And why would you be so concerned about calling holds, when most of the time the wrestlers in ECW beat the crap out of each other, or am I missing something there? But like I said, great promo.
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:26 PM   #43
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There were stories, but they were always secondary to the matches themselves. For example, it was very rare when Joey would talk about the night's main event during an undercard match.

And there was a whole lot more to ECW than wrestlers "beating the crap out of each other." Some of the most memorable ECW matches didn't involve tables and barbed wire and chokeslams off balconies. You should watch some of the RVD/Jerry Lynn matches or anything involving any combination of Super Crazy, Little Guido, and Tajiri for examples of the right way to call holds.
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:29 PM   #44
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The stories didn't come at the expense of calling in-ring activity.
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:35 PM   #45
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That promo was fucking awesome!!!
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Old 05-02-2006, 10:43 PM   #46
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Styles=God. Fuck Foley.
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Old 05-03-2006, 02:01 AM   #47
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That was an amazing promo. I just watched RAW right now from my DVR. And I'm convinced that this time around VInce will actually put some effort behind reviving the brand ECW. And I think I know why.

Perhaps Vince realizes that he's lost the fanbase that's interested in the wrestling action and not the gimmicks. People who loved Malenko and Storm for their talent and started to loathe the gimmicky characters so prevalent today. I think this new ECW is Vince's attempt at trying to regain the hardcore wrestling fanbase that he's gradually lost in these past few years. He caught a glimpse of that missing fanbase and fervor at last year's inaugural One Night Stand event. And I'm willing to bet that Vince wants them back, whether they're watching WWE programming or WWE-led ECW programming.

But either way, GREAT promo, I was truly amazed as I listened to everything that had been happening, from the replacement with J.R. and Joey's lack of "storytelling ability". After explaining to my girlfriend the difference between REAL play-by-play and WWE "play-by-play", she too was amazed to hear Joey Styles publicly decry the "sports entertainment" aspect of WWE.
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Old 05-03-2006, 02:39 AM   #48
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Joey Styles = Annoying....His "Oh My God" makes me wanna donkey punch him...But I dunno who is worse...Him or Good Ol JR...I think they should just stick with the dude that was with King after Joey left last RAW...Hes young...Hes not annoying...And he speaks clear english not hick...
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Old 05-03-2006, 03:00 AM   #49
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yeah great promo and all, but lol at Edge earler "Oh My god!!, you suck"
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Old 05-03-2006, 03:02 AM   #50
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Wow, that promo was even better in whole than with the edited WWE.com version.

I now see why people Joey Styles. I'd never really had enough experience with ECW to see this side of him.
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Old 05-03-2006, 03:12 AM   #51
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You know, I wouldn't have a huge problem with that. Lawler contributed to the WWF vs. ECW feud back in the day, and he got his ass kicked a fair portion of the time. I mean, I'd rather not force Styles into a ring, and I'd rather a competitive wrestling match in this time slot, but if Syltes iwere willing to do it, and they built it up right and the fans were into it, I wouldn't mind.
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Old 05-03-2006, 05:15 AM   #53
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Did Lawler ever get his ass kicked in the little feud? I know he fucked up TOmmy Dreamer's junk royally, but I don't know about him getting his ass kicked.
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Old 05-03-2006, 06:32 AM   #54
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Joey Styles = Annoying....His "Oh My God" makes me wanna donkey punch him...But I dunno who is worse...Him or Good Ol JR...I think they should just stick with the dude that was with King after Joey left last RAW...Hes young...Hes not annoying...And he speaks clear english not hick...
You just called Todd Grisham "not annoying"...
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JR rules, Joey rules, and Micheal Cole sucks. Keep JR on Raw and fire Cole and put Joey on Smackdown.
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Old 05-03-2006, 08:20 AM   #56
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king and tazz may fight in a ring that might be a better match.
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Old 05-03-2006, 09:55 AM   #57
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It wasn't the best promo ever, but the context in which it was delivered - on RAW to a peak time audience - made it special.
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It was also the best promo in a long time.

The fact that Raw is flailing and it was delivered when it was didn't hurt though.
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Did Lawler ever get his ass kicked in the little feud? I know he fucked up TOmmy Dreamer's junk royally, but I don't know about him getting his ass kicked.
ECW Hardcore Heaven '97 - Tommy Dreamer pinned Jerry Lawler. I also remember on Raw a time when The Sandman cost Jerry Lawler and Rob Van Dam a match in the first round of a tournament to crown new WWF World Tag Team Champions after Shawn Michaels and Steve Austin vacated the title when Shawn breached his contract and walked out on the WWF.

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Also, on the subject of the promo, I think it's getting too much praise, personally. I like Joey Styles, agree with the majority of what he said, and enjoyed the promo, but I don't know that I'd call it the best in a long time. It was good, but any Flair or Triple H promo could match it. Edge's promos in recent months have matched it. Foley in the build up to WrestleMania matched it.

It just seems like it's getting too much credit.
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It was the best in a long time, because of its shoot comments toward the business and the realness of it all. And his delivery was nothing short of awesome, his raw emotion. You actually could think that he really was pissed off at WWE and at the fans.
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Old 05-03-2006, 01:29 PM   #61
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It was the best in a long time, because of its shoot comments toward the business and the realness of it all. And his delivery was nothing short of awesome, his raw emotion. You actually could think that he really was pissed off at WWE and at the fans.
Nah, too planned, and it was too obvious he didn't mean like the whole second half of it.
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Nah, too planned, and it was too obvious he didn't mean like the whole second half of it.
Sorry, I didn't mean the interview itself was shoot, I meant the comments said during it were shoot, or of a shoot nature. They reflected real events happening backstage and known to a few "smart" fans. Styles was the one who wrote it (allegedly) and got it approved by the creative team.
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Sorry, I didn't mean the interview itself was shoot, I meant the comments said during it were shoot, or of a shoot nature. They reflected real events happening backstage and known to a few "smart" fans. Styles was the one who wrote it (allegedly) and got it approved by the creative team.
Obviously it was made to look like a shoot, but like I said, it was too obvious he didn't really mean what he said in the second half of the promo.
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i liked the way sting did it better talking about buffy and lex just yell shoot.
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i liked the way sting did it better talking about buffy and lex just yell shoot.

Yes...That was awesome!
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I just re-watched it on WWE.com. Man, they butchered the hell out of that promo. Half of the things that made me mark out weren't even in that version.

With that aside, I haven't marked out like that since last years ONS. For once, in god knows how long, I'm excited to see what is going to happen next week on Raw. I have that little buzz feeling that I had back in 97-98 when you knew something outrageous was goingto happen every week.

Of course, maybe they will end up putting it on the back burner until AONS draws closer, I really hope not though. I've said for the last 6 years that ECW closing its doors was the worst thing that could of happened in wrestling. And now it looks as if they will be "re-opened" of sorts. I can't wait!!
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Excellent promo. I even got my dad to watch it when he came over. He enjoyed it, too.

Hopefully they do subtle things over the next few weeks. Have Joey Styles post some "shoot" comments on his own personal website, and have him maybe enter WWE chat and start spreading his message more.

I have a feeling something will go down during the WrestleMania 22 Hardcore Rematch next week. I can see Edge Spearing Mick Foley, only for The Sandman (or some other ECW Icon) to run into the ring and cane the fuck out of Edge. These two guys would then face off at the WWE vs. ECW event. It would probably be better if Tommy Dreamer did this actually, as he can job to Edge without losing credibility.

Anyway, Dreamer/Sandman canes the fuck out of Edge, then canes the fuck out of Jerry Lawler while chasing JR up the ramp, telling him "run you fat sack of shit". That would make the night for me, and I'm not even a Tommy Dreamer/Sandman fan. Mick Foley would then steal the win over Edge, because Foley needs to win sometimes if people are going to buy him as a "making stars" star.
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It's pretty sad when your play-by-play commentator writes the best storyline on WWE TV in some time, though.
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I totally forgot about Mick Foley being part of this ECW storyline.

Anyway, finally the repeat of raw is on tonight(dont know why they cant have it on wednesdays again ffs) so im finally going to get to see that promo.Wish i wouldve seen it live though.
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Old 05-04-2006, 09:28 AM   #70
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I just re-watched it on WWE.com. Man, they butchered the hell out of that promo. Half of the things that made me mark out weren't even in that version.
This shit's probably not approved by WWE. They probably chopped it up specifically because of that. I know the script was originally approved, but it made ECW look good, and that's bad.
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This shit's probably not approved by WWE. They probably chopped it up specifically because of that. I know the script was originally approved, but it made ECW look good, and that's bad.

I think it was more to do with making them look bad rather than making ECW look good.Ofcourse they want ECW to look good, if they don't then how the fuck are they going to make money out of it?
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I think it was more to do with making them look bad rather than making ECW look good.Ofcourse they want ECW to look good, if they don't then how the fuck are they going to make money out of it?
Precisely. I've been thinking the same thing. If Vince wants ECW to be so successful (as he's reviving it for a reason), then why not put it over? However, if it makes WWE look BAD in the end, it must be edited. Honestly, I think Vince should just let the ECWers make WWE look bad. WWE can regain its credibility in the long run, but to put ECW over fully, WWE must be embarassed a few times.
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Old 05-04-2006, 03:20 PM   #73
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I think it was more to do with making them look bad rather than making ECW look good.Ofcourse they want ECW to look good, if they don't then how the fuck are they going to make money out of it?
Tomayto, tomahto.

More or less, instead of saying the glass is half empty, you're saying it's half full. Or vice versa. Putting over ECW makes WWE look bad. This is like, 10 times as true in the mind of WWE.
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Old 05-04-2006, 03:25 PM   #74
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Precisely. I've been thinking the same thing. If Vince wants ECW to be so successful (as he's reviving it for a reason), then why not put it over? However, if it makes WWE look BAD in the end, it must be edited. Honestly, I think Vince should just let the ECWers make WWE look bad. WWE can regain its credibility in the long run, but to put ECW over fully, WWE must be embarassed a few times.
But these are the guys who hold back almost any talent not homegrown. Anyone who was big elsewhere first has a 99% chance of being buried. What are the odds they're really gonna put over a whole promotion?
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