New trade talks: A-Rod for

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Originally Posted by BCWWF Add to that Brown and Vasquez

They aren't upgrade over what they lost, though

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 They aren't upgrade over what they lost, though

Exactly, Brown is healthy is a great pitcher, but will he stay healthy again?

Vazquez, I know everyones telling me how great this kid is, but I think he's going to be a .500 guy with a mid 3's ERA... maybe he'll prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 They aren't upgrade over what they lost, though

Brown: Hell no. Vasquez: Maybe, considering Clemens is kind of old and Wells same thing. But the loss of Pettite will hurt us this year, you can bet on that.

[VonErich Lives]

The deals done, the Players union will aprove it, because A-rod's not taking a pay cut, where Soriano makes so much less, the Rangers were able to pick up a chunk of A-rod contract, unlike the Sox deal, where Manny makes 20million.

The Rangers get the better of the deal, they get a much younger, much cheaper, all-star. Free up alot of money, and they get a guy who almost went 40/40 the last 2 yrs.

This really doesn't scare me, the Yanks still need pitching, not hitting, and A-rod isn't a huge jump in power over Soriano. Soriano got on base, created runs, was an RBI... Will A-rod be the same player? probably not, more power, less of the speed. Instead of 2 and 3 run Homers, the Yanks will have a lot of Solo Homers.

Don't get me wrong, A-rod is one of, if not the best 5-tool player in MLB, I'm just not worried as a Sox fan...

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives The deals done, the Players union will aprove it, because A-rod's not taking a pay cut, where Soriano makes so much less, the Rangers were able to pick up a chunk of A-rod contract, unlike the Sox deal, where Manny makes 20million. The Rangers get the better of the deal, they get a much younger, much cheaper, all-star. Free up alot of money, and they get a guy who almost went 40/40 the last 2 yrs. This really doesn't scare me, the Yanks still need pitching, not hitting, and A-rod isn't a huge jump in power over Soriano. Soriano got on base, created runs, was an RBI... Will A-rod be the same player? probably not, more power, less of the speed. Instead of 2 and 3 run Homers, the Yanks will have a lot of Solo Homers. Don't get me wrong, A-rod is one of, if not the best 5-tool player in MLB, I'm just not worried as a Sox fan...

I agree with some of what you say and disagree with most of what you say. Here's what i think: I agree with you when you say the Yanks still need pitching, but A-Rod isn't just a prolific homerun hitter, he is on base alot with hits and walks. The only thing Soriano has on him is base stealing. A-Rod is way better defensively, a clearly better clutch hitter and he doesn't strike out as much. In most peoples eyes A-Rod is the BEST player in baseball, not in the top 5, the BEST. He does just about everything well, not many weaknesses. It just sounds to me like you (being a typical Red Sox fan) are trying to downplay the whole situation because the Yankees are probably going to get him and the Red Sox didn't. Although the always say good pitching will always beat good hitting, if i was a pitcher looking at the Yanks lineup, i would be f*cking scared sh*tless. This lineup will definatly test that theory. Go YANKEE'S!!!!!!!!

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution I agree with some of what you say and disagree with most of what you say. Here's what i think: I agree with you when you say the Yanks still need pitching, but A-Rod isn't just a prolific homerun hitter, he is on base alot with hits and walks. The only thing Soriano has on him is base stealing. A-Rod is way better defensively, a clearly better clutch hitter and he doesn't strike out as much. In most peoples eyes A-Rod is the BEST player in baseball, not in the top 5, the BEST. He does just about everything well, not many weaknesses. It just sounds to me like you (being a typical Red Sox fan) are trying to downplay the whole situation because the Yankees are probably going to get him and the Red Sox didn't. Although the always say good pitching will always beat good hitting, if i was a pitcher looking at the Yanks lineup, i would be f*cking scared sh*tless. This lineup will definatly test that theory. Go YANKEE'S!!!!!!!!

Yeah, sounds like your a typical Yankee's fan, who figures you put shit in pinstrips and you'll win.

Pitching wins, the Yankee's proved that. The Sox would have better hitting and lose to the Yanks pitching.

I did say A-rod is the bets 5-tool player in the league, not "top 5 player" I said "5 tool player" (Although you can Argue Vlad). He will be an upgrade over Soriano, but in that lineup, I don't think the effect will be what you think.

We'll know in September.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Yeah, sounds like your a typical Yankee's fan, who figures you put shit in pinstrips and you'll win. Pitching wins, the Yankee's proved that. The Sox would have better hitting and lose to the Yanks pitching. I did say A-rod is the bets 5-tool player in the league, not "top 5 player" I said "5 tool player" (Although you can Argue Vlad). He will be an upgrade over Soriano, but in that lineup, I don't think the effect will be what you think. We'll know in September.

Yeah, and you sound like a typical Red Sox fan lol. With the lineup the Yankees will put together, it think that theory will be put to the test (good pitching beats good hitting), but we'll see. I think the Red Sox got a little lucky last year. Millar, Mueller and Ortiz all had career years. Do you really think they can match, or top last years number's? I'm doughting it very much, but we'll see. This is the most if looked forward to the beginning of a season in along time.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Yeah, and you sound like a typical Red Sox fan lol. With the lineup the Yankees will put together, it think that theory will be put to the test (good pitching beats good hitting), but we'll see. I think the Red Sox got a little lucky last year. Millar, Mueller and Ortiz all had career years. Do you really think they can match, or top last years number's? I'm doughting it very much, but we'll see. This is the most if looked forward to the beginning of a season in along time.

Would be nice talking baseball if you knew what you were talking about.

Schilling was his apendix, oh yeah... he's injury prone.

Will Mueller go after the batting title again, probably not, Ortiz I think can hit those numbers again in this park.

Pedro has been rather healthy the past few years.

Anyway, we'll know in September.

The trade doesn't burn me, cause while it does help the Yanks, it doesn't help them as much as you seem to think.

They Key to the A-rod deal for the Sox was moving Nomar before his contract is up.

and Manny's injury prone? Lazy at times maybe, not the brightest bulb, thats for sure...

Is there anyone on the Sox you don't think is injury prone?

[VonErich Lives]

They were just quoting on the radio.

A-rod lifetime at fenway is .167, at Yankee Stadium is .241
Plus he's sub .150 vs. Pedro, Lowe and Schilling.

On a side note, the rumor (key word RUMOR) the sox might go after Soriano. If that happens, Georgie will hang himself.

[Mikey]

Thought they were going to get a minor leaguer too

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Mikey Thought they were going to get a minor leaguer too

Yeah, there saying Soriano, Player to be named later and a Minor Leaguer.

The ML is rumored to be some great catching prospect.

There was rumur the player was going to be contraras... which would hurt the Yanks even more, but I don't think it will be him.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Thats the thing though...Lost Wells Clemens and Pettite but they only picked up 2 pitchers

Whatever though George will just trade a box of donuts for Colon or something before the end of the season

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 Thats the thing though...Lost Wells Clemens and Pettite but they only picked up 2 pitchers Whatever though George will just trade a box of donuts for Colon or something before the end of the season

heh, gotta love sports radio, I'm listening in Boston and NY Fans are calling that "A-rod will never wear a yankees jersey, George is going to trade him for 2 pitchers"

The kept asking the guy "Who, what 2 pitchers" the respone "We don't know that, we'll have to wait and see, but he will".

A-rods no trade clause goes with him, that being said, the only team that would consider his payroll is the Sox.

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives heh, gotta love sports radio, I'm listening in Boston and NY Fans are calling that "A-rod will never wear a yankees jersey, George is going to trade him for 2 pitchers" The kept asking the guy "Who, what 2 pitchers" the respone "We don't know that, we'll have to wait and see, but he will". A-rods no trade clause goes with him, that being said, the only team that would consider his payroll is the Sox.

LOL, A-Rod for Schilling and Lowe

[VonErich Lives]

Do keep in mind, the MLBPA still has to approve, because there is some deferement and droping of the intrest rate, which is the exact reason they wouldn't let the Sox deal go through.

Schilling posts on a BB and put a post about the deal, how it helps the yankees, but what did Sox fans expect after 85year a cake walk? and how it will make it all the better when the win it all and the Sox fans are flipping off the Yankee fans.

Curt's the man!

Yeah, you know I hate the Sox and everything, but the reaction on the fans faces if they ever win the Series is just going to be priceless.

[VonErich Lives]

yeah, I'm about 10min drive if that from Fenway... I'll be on my porch with a shotgun.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If the Red Sox ever win the World Series I really think my house will be burned down due to riots

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 If the Red Sox ever win the World Series I really think my house will be burned down due to riots

How close to Fenway?

Although, after the Patriots, and the flack and the new Police Commish, I think they'd be ready with riot gear and such.

[Yashamaga]

does anyone have a link to where Curt posted that stuff?

Originally Posted by Yashamaga does anyone have a link to where Curt posted that stuff?

www.schillingtalksbullshit.com

[Yashamaga]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon www.schillingtalksbullshit.com

oh yeah that looks familiar

I think I saw it in the links section at www.closemindedyankeesfans.com

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by Yashamaga oh yeah that looks familiar I think I saw it in the links section at www.closemindedyankeesfans.com

This trade really burns you Red Sox fans doesn't it? And just to think, i heard on espn this morning, that if the Red Sox would have picked up like 12 million dollars the deal would have happened. Now you guys are stuck with Manny, who i think is a good player, but gets hurt to often. Plus you guys knock the Yankees for not having any pitchers, while you bank all your hopes on Pedro and Shilling. Pedro is awesome, i will give you that, but by midseason he will be hurt. Shilling is coming off an injury prone year and is only getting older, and will Bill Meuller, David Ortiz or Kevin Millar have as good a season as they did last year? I'm not thinking so, and to top it all off, it's just a matter of time before people start talking about Nomar being the odd man out when the Sox were trying to get A-Rod, i believe that will be a huge distraction. I guess though we'll have to see what happens, but just like every other year we all know what we'll see come the end of the baseball season and i don't even have to say it.

[Yashamaga]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Now you guys are stuck with Manny, who i think is a good player, but gets hurt to often. Plus you guys knock the Yankees for not having any pitchers, while you bank all your hopes on Pedro and Shilling. Pedro is awesome, i will give you that, but by midseason he will be hurt.

1 Yeah, we're stuck with one of the most prolific HR-RBI guys in the last 5 years. He broke his hand 2 seasons ago and still won the batting title. He's not that injury prone.

2 Yeah. We also bank on Derek Lowe, Tim Wakefield, Keith Foulke, B-H Kim and Mike Timlin. LOL

3 and you think Brown won't be?

Pedro will bean A-Rod first meeting they have[/prediction]

[Splaya]

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero Pedro will bean A-Rod first meeting they have[/prediction]

What body part?

[VonErich Lives]

www.sonsofsamhorn.com

He posts under Gehrig38 and John Henry posts under.... John Henery.

Was funny, the sports writers were on the radio a few months back, bitching how if these guys keep posting, then the writers don't get the story and schilling called into the show and said "Isn't it your job to ask questions and get the story, it's not my job to give it to you".

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives www.sonsofsamhorn.com He posts under Gehrig38 and John Henry posts under.... John Henery. Was funny, the sports writers were on the radio a few months back, bitching how if these guys keep posting, then the writers don't get the story and schilling called into the show and said "Isn't it your job to ask questions and get the story, it's not my job to give it to you".

lol i went there and Wadding was browsing there

http://pub208.ezboard.com/udavewaddi...wPublicProfile

[DaveWadding]

Originally Posted by Supreme lol i went there and Wadding was browsing there http://pub208.ezboard.com/udavewaddi...wPublicProfile

Yeah, I was reading the Schilling topic, because he is mang.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Red Sox fans are just as big assholes as Yankee fans. Thats the beauty of this whole rivalry

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL Schilling bitches at Quest tec on there

LOL at the little feud going on here

[Supreme Olajuwon]

lol what how is Schilling injury prone? He had his appendix removed and he broke his hand barehanding a ball

[Yashamaga]

"I'd rather have bamboo shoots jammed into my eye socket, than pitch a game in a quest-tec infested park. It sucks"

lol I love curt schilling

[KleptoKlown]

Giambi did great for the A's....not so great for the Yanks.
Bure did great for the Canucks and Panthers....not so great for the Rangers.

When you take an allstar player, and put him on a team filled with allstars...they dont do nearly as good.

Lets the Yanks pay a billion dollar luxery tax for a player that isnt going to help them nearly as much as he would help a different team.

Originally Posted by ]{lepto]{lown Giambi did great for the A's....not so great for the Yanks. Bure did great for the Canucks and Panthers....not so great for the Rangers. When you take an allstar player, and put him on a team filled with allstars...they dont do nearly as good. Lets the Yanks pay a billion dollar luxery tax for a player that isnt going to help them nearly as much as he would help a different team.

How can you say after one bad season, the guy isn't great. Look at his #'s from the first year he was on the Yankees and that will tell a different story. And the season he just had wasn't even that bad eathier.

Jeter is a winner. Just thought I'd toss that in.

IN 1918 we were sharing a fk'n ballpark with the NY Giants.

[BCWWF]

Personally I don't think adding A-Rod will totally change the Yankees. Yes, of course he is an upgrade from Soriano, but really Soriano was a key part of their lineup and put up good numbers, if it was like upgrading from Cristian Guzman to A-Rod, that would be huge, but one super star for a better one is not the biggest deal. The other thing, A-Rod isn't going to be pitched around at all in the Yankee's lineup. When you are surrounded by Giambi, Matsui, Sheffield, Posada, Jeter, Williams, etc etc, pitchers are going to be going after him hardcore.

I was reading way back there, so I forget who said it, but whoever said that A-Rod was "really clutch" is almost laughable. He never has been tested, and last year when he had the opportunity to lift the Rangers past the Angels in the standings, he put up horrible numbers, keeping Texas's place on the bottom of the standings.