The Million Dollar Challenge [[Turning Point SPOILERS]]

[Xero]

Originally Posted by BloodRiotZero Sooo what is exactly wrong with this segment? It was entertaining, it was a parody of what the competition is doing (competition that obviously IS the measuring bar in North America), the crowd was into it, it advanced what VKM was doing... I saw nothing wrong with this segment whatsoever. Some of you people complain over anything.

So, you'd rather have that segment than, say, an extra ten minutes or so of wrestling?

Instead of spending ten minutes on a pay per view (or TV for that matter) for a storyline that nothing will come out of (it's a really bad attempt at publicity) they should be pushing a new star.

TNA has become what WCW was and what WWE has become (to a lesser extent): They're using all their big-name wrestlers and not putting over any of the wrestlers of "tomorrow". TNA always talks about that they're the tomorrow of wrestling (or whatever the fuck they say) and yet they're pushing only a handful of new talent and focusing on the Angles, Jarretts, Stings, Nashes, etc.

They're digging themselves deeper with, as I said, storylines that will have no outcome that will benefit the company.

[McLegend]

But you need the big name talent to get big.

Mind you they should still focus more on younger talent, but having those names in there IMO is a good thing.

[Xero]

Originally Posted by legend But you need the big name talent to get big. Mind you they should still focus more on younger talent, but having those names in there IMO is a good thing.

I agree, they DO need the big names there. But NOT to be on top of the company. One or two in the main event is fine, but TNA is using their big names as their main draws, and are giving them the most spotlight and the lower talent is suffering.

What happens when the Nashes, Angles and Jarretts are gone? You're left with wrestlers who weren't pushed enough and will be harder to get over in the long run.

Sure, guys like Styles, Joe and Daniels will get over, but take away the big names and you really don't have many feuds that would bring in the money with guys like that at this stage. Just because they can stick a good match in the main event doesn't mean it's going to draw on wrestling alone, and by not building lower guys up enough they're going to suffer when the time comes to shift to them.

TNA has a solid mid-card, no doubt, but they're falling victim to over-pushing the main eventers, where they build up the guys who are already over and let the mid-carders mean jack-shit.

If people are only watching your show for wrestlers from another organization who jumped and not your own (and let's face it, more people are tuning into see the Angles and the Christians than the AJ's and the Abysses), you're in some deep shit I'd say.

[TerranRich]

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126 What happens when the Nashes, Angles and Jarretts are gone? You're left with wrestlers who weren't pushed enough and will be harder to get over in the long run.

This, my friends, was what sent WCW into a downward spiral. It seems to be the potential downfall of any promotion.

[TerranRich]

I've always thought AJ Styles could be a great main-eventer. When I heard that he had held the NWA title at least once, I was like "WTF? When? And what happened to him since then?"

TNA doesn't know how to KEEP guys in the main event that should be there.

[The One]

OH WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT UP!

VKM is good. As someone earlier pointed out, they spent a few minutes of doing a parody, then they cut a good promo, the crowd was into it and are realy backing VKM. It's not usless TV that goes no where...it leads to VKM being able to for the rest of their run bring up the fact that they helped build the house of DX, and that clearly they were the bigger and better men of the group. Will that draw huge numbers? Probably not. But what happens when some casual fan who watched during the attitude era happens to catch that. He reflects and thinks to himself, "Why yes, the New Age Outlaws did a lot of what I liked about DX. Maybe I stay and watch them." The Bischoff challenge to McMahon was on thing, this Million Dollar Challenge causes all the dumb people (and let's face facts, a good percentage of wrestling fans are dumb) to think, "Geee-Wiz! DX is so scared of VKM, they won't fight them even if it's at a WWE show and they got a million bucks for it. The pussies!"

As for this turning into WCW bullshit, please quite yourself now. WCW had two, I will repeat, two stars to get over the big boys during it's run. Goldberg and to a much much lesser extent, Booker T (and even that was only towards it's dying days). TNA doesn't focus their show on the old guys. Look at the programs the old people are in; Angle just finished fueding with TNA's main star Samoa Joe...and Angle PUT JOE OVER in the end. Sting, fueding with Abyss and Christian, and say what you will, I think when Christian's career is up, he will be remember for Edge & Christian, but for his single's carer it will be all about what he did in TNA. He has earned his TNA strips and I think he is a good conidate for one of their main stay focal stars. Jeff Jarrett does get too much air time, but the fact is he is the only person who all of the TNA fans can get behind and boo. He is simply the most over heel. No one cheers him. Everyone hates him. And TNA marks will tune in if they think he will get beat. That's a heel's job. And how dare you say TNA focuses on Kevin Nash. He is in 5 minute segments with a bunch of X-Division guys, and despite not getting in the ring, he has made Alex Shelley and Austin Starr recognizable names in the TNA vocabulary. TNA is not making the same star power mistakes of WCW.

And finaly, for someone who was bitching about how TNA marks pop for everything. Is that such a bad thing? Hell I see so many TPWWers on their knees 24/7 sucking the not so impressive dick of RoH, and their marks pop for fucking armdrags. Personally, I think they go overboard with the chants and cheers, but at least their into the product. WWE audiences get more quite every week. Hell last night they resorted to Cena throwing money into the crowd to get a reaction. So I say, who cares if TNA marks pop for every monkey flip spot under the sun, it doesn't mean that's TNA's fault.

Now, this is NOT saying TNA is perfect, or even that good. Hell no one jumps on attacking the product of wrestling more than me. But if your going to attack TNA, attack them for the areas which are their fault. This whole hating VKM thing I simply do not get. Is it their best stuff? No. But I'll tell you this much, I'd take VKM over DX any day of the week.

[Destor]

Tovo, you're a mark for Gunn. Your view is skewed.

[The One]

I admit I pop for Gunn like pre-teen girls pop for boys who look like girls. But that doesn't mean I was wrong. Most of my comments were about the TNA product on a whole, which I more than most spend my time speaking out about how terrible TNA is on a whole.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by The One VKM is good.

To be fair, I read that and stopped.

[The One]

Watch me try and contain my shock.

[The Fugitive]

Originally Posted by The One Jeff Jarrett does get too much air time, but the fact is he is the only person who all of the TNA fans can get behind and boo. He is simply the most over heel. No one cheers him. Everyone hates him.

[BloodRiotZero]

Yeah, Jarrett has had a shitload of airtime in the past two months... -_-

To whoever asked would I have rather watched an extra 10 minutes of wrestling instead of the VKM segment, to that I say NO! The rest of the show already had enough wrestling on it, it's nice to have a break in between matches. Especially since I don't feel there was anything wrong w/ the segment and found it entertaining. And believe me, 10 minutes on a PPV is NOT taking time away from putting a young guy over. Joe just beat the best wrestler in the world today, Abyss just beat 2 former NWA champions, one of who is one of the most recognizable names of the past 2 decades, Konnan's giving Homicide and Hernandez the rub, and Kevin Nash is making Shelly and Starr more recognizable than a 5-star wrestling match could have ever done for them. Yeah, TNA's really going down WCW's path.....

[The One]

Also, I would like to point out, that on a forum that rarely talks about angles, more just about specific wrestlers...there are THREE VKM related thread on the main page. No publicity is bad publicity, and apparently within the wrestling fan community, they are getting people talking.

[V]

i wud totlly pedigre th0z guyes if i wuz triple hhh

[D Mac]

I was thinking, since I'm going to New Year's Revolution I wonder if VKM will show up outside the arena! That would rule.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Xero Limit 126 I agree, they DO need the big names there. But NOT to be on top of the company. One or two in the main event is fine, but TNA is using their big names as their main draws, and are giving them the most spotlight and the lower talent is suffering. What happens when the Nashes, Angles and Jarretts are gone? You're left with wrestlers who weren't pushed enough and will be harder to get over in the long run. Sure, guys like Styles, Joe and Daniels will get over, but take away the big names and you really don't have many feuds that would bring in the money with guys like that at this stage. Just because they can stick a good match in the main event doesn't mean it's going to draw on wrestling alone, and by not building lower guys up enough they're going to suffer when the time comes to shift to them. TNA has a solid mid-card, no doubt, but they're falling victim to over-pushing the main eventers, where they build up the guys who are already over and let the mid-carders mean jack-shit. If people are only watching your show for wrestlers from another organization who jumped and not your own (and let's face it, more people are tuning into see the Angles and the Christians than the AJ's and the Abysses), you're in some deep shit I'd say.

I don't see how you can even use Kurt Angle as an example, when he's only been in the company for 2 months, and has had exactly one feud, which has been in the MAIN EVENT, with Samoa Joe. Joe, I might add, happens to be the biggest young up and comers in the company.

Jeff Jarrett hasn't been seen since Bound for Glory. I know he'll probably be back, and his strangle hold on TNA's main event/title scene has already been noted as one of their major drawbacks. But for now, he's not in the main event, and he's not even on TV.

Kevin Nash isn't wrestling. He's actually helping to elevate the younger talent in TNA; guys like Alex Shelley, Austin Starr, Sonjay Dutt, and anyone else in the X-Division he comes in contact with. He's using his own star power to put over the new generation of wrestlers. That's something you never saw in WCW. This Paparazzi Productions thing is the best thing to happen to TNA in a long time.

Sting is also helping to put over another generation of wrestlers, simply by wrestling with them in the main event.

Who says we aren't going to see main event feuds between Angle and Daniels, or Angle and Styles? And who says those feuds aren't going to help turn Styles and Daniels, and all the other younger wrestlers they face, into the new generation of main event stars in TNA?

[Fox]

Not to mention Rhino, LAX, America's Most Wanted, Serotonin and Raven, Robert Roode and Eric Young. All of them have been getting a reasonable amount of TV time for a 1-hour program.