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Old 12-29-2006, 02:31 AM   #41
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I actually started watching a little towards the end of 97 actually so I assumed it had been around awhile. and also wasn' that the Mankind loss or something?
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Old 12-29-2006, 02:35 AM   #42
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No I'm referring to the Montreal Screwjob.
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Old 12-29-2006, 02:39 AM   #43
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Oops my bad, I know there was a title win by the Rock where Mankind didn't submit, and Vince called for the bell, no memory of when it happened though. Also I didn't know the full details of the screwjob.
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Old 12-29-2006, 02:57 AM   #44
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I can't believe that you've made it to 3000+ posts on here without coming across the Montreal Screwjob at least 5 times.

The match you were thinking of was the "I Quit" match at Royal Rumble '99. For a new perspective on that match, watch Beyond The Mat.
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Old 12-29-2006, 03:00 AM   #45
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I have heard about the screwjob many times, and I know it ended in a submission without a tap-out. I didn't know that was a newly introduced rule, until you told me, so I didn't think anymore on it, I just thought that the bell was called for once Bret was in submission.
And thanks for telling me, I could have sworn it was earlier then 99 though
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Old 12-29-2006, 03:01 AM   #46
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Oops my bad, I know there was a title win by the Rock where Mankind didn't submit, and Vince called for the bell, no memory of when it happened though. Also I didn't know the full details of the screwjob.
Survivor Series '98.
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Old 12-29-2006, 03:02 AM   #47
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I thought so, thanks Des.
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Old 12-29-2006, 04:03 AM   #48
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Old 12-29-2006, 04:05 AM   #49
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Old 12-29-2006, 04:10 AM   #50
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Ah, where am I today. I just saw screw job and 98, didn't read the rest of the thread..... Yea, I'm a douce bag.
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Old 12-29-2006, 01:50 PM   #51
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Basically my problem with submissions is that they don't LOOK realistic. Sharpshooter, figure four, camel clutch look painful. Abdominal stretch does not. Yes I suspend disbelief but sometimes you just can't. Even the Benoit's crossface doesn't look painful. Sure the powerbomb is a fake power move but it looks deadly. The Angle Slam does not.

I feel that with the emergance of MMA more people, kids included, are going to realize wrestling is terribly fake. I was put in an ankle lock on wednesday and I had to tap right away. For a guy to be in one for 20 seconds and then go to the ropes it's hard to suspend disbelief. So when people catch on within the next few years as they actually try martial arts, they're going to look at wrestling and be like, "If they made it more realistic looking it'd be ok."

That's why this thread is "The future of Submissions". I think in the near future, they will have to find a way to make them seem more realistic if they want fans to suspend disbelief.
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Old 12-29-2006, 01:53 PM   #52
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The abdominal stretch is the most painful submission you named.
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Old 12-29-2006, 01:55 PM   #53
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Other forms of submission fighting have been well known for years, and it usually comes up in the typical conversation about wrestling being fake. This has been the case since before I started following pro wrestling, and it will be the case long after I'm dead.
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Old 12-29-2006, 02:18 PM   #54
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and like you said that most would tap out right away to limit the damage, while WWE lets it go on is what this discussion is about, real submissions hurt alot, for example if you are watching MMA and see someone like Chuck Lidel tap out from an armlock in like 5 seconds, and then switch to WWE and see someone like Ric Flair take it for like 20 seconds, your like WTF.
Ok, screw what I said before. What I'd really like to see is Lidell slap the Figure 4 on Ortiz and make him tap.

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Old 12-29-2006, 02:24 PM   #55
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Me too, make him scream like a 6 year old girl, Ortiz is a little bitch.
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Old 12-29-2006, 08:18 PM   #56
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Oh right yeah. Got my wires crossed there. They basically rehashed that finish on PPV just two months later at Royal Rumble but with a slight twist. Vince called for the bell at the SS: Deadly Game tournament finals, and at RR they played an audio clip of Mankind yelling "I quit" from a promo during the match, implying that Mankind had quit when he hadn't. So Montreal Screwjob Mk 57 with a twist.
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