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Old 02-22-2007, 01:22 PM   #41
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That's why I said "Back in the day." Cabana does it too. However, Dusty doesn't wrestle anymore, and it's a move that is credited to him. With Dusty, it's an obvious sign of respect, not "I'm going to do this and act like it's mine."
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Old 02-22-2007, 01:28 PM   #42
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Go ask KENTA if he has a problem with it. If he doesn't, then who cares?
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Old 02-22-2007, 01:46 PM   #43
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Old 02-22-2007, 01:51 PM   #44
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Meh. IMO it just makes Punk look sorta cheap.
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:11 PM   #45
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Here's a question: Would this thread exist if this happened in, say, ROH?

No. In fact, this thread would probably be dedicated to how well he pulled it off (whether he did or didn't pull it off well).
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:13 PM   #46
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Here's a question: Would this thread exist if this happened in, say, ROH?

No. In fact, this thread would probably be dedicated to how well he pulled it off (whether he did or didn't pull it off well).
I was about to ask actually, did he do these moves in ROH?
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:14 PM   #47
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He wouldn't need to steal the Go 2 Sleep in ROH, though, considering he'd still be using the Pepsi Plunge. Or so I would imagine.

I just see this as a way to give a him finisher that has more impact than the anaconda vice. While it is a cool submission, it's a bit easier to get a knee to the face over with the crowd than an arm submission.
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:17 PM   #48
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And really, how do you even know if it was Punk's idea to use it? Maybe a writer said "hey, I saw dis cool move on the intarnetz, I want u 2 use it 2nite. Itz on uTubz".
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:18 PM   #49
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I'm sure that he has a lot of control over his moveset in WWE.
It's doubtful that he gets the final say in what moves he uses.
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:18 PM   #50
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U-Tubz sounds like Viscera's nickname
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:32 PM   #51
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I'm sure WWE's sitting there saying "You know, these movesets are kind of boring. Let's mix it up."
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Old 02-22-2007, 03:41 PM   #52
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Here's a question: Would this thread exist if this happened in, say, ROH?

No. In fact, this thread would probably be dedicated to how well he pulled it off (whether he did or didn't pull it off well).
If he did it in ROH, then A. most of you wouldn't know it, and B. He'd catch more shit, since KENTA wrestles for ROH.
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Old 02-22-2007, 03:43 PM   #53
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Here's a question: Would this thread exist if this happened in, say, ROH?

No. In fact, this thread would probably be dedicated to how well he pulled it off (whether he did or didn't pull it off well).
http://www.rohwrestling.com/MessageBoard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32139
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:16 PM   #54
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He is ripping him off because he is the shit, and nobody knows who KENTA is so who gives a flying fuck?
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:20 PM   #55
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If this was Hardcore Holly using GO2SLEEP and the KENTA combo, the IWC would be ALL over him.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:21 PM   #56
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I personally do not give a fuck about who stole who's move(s) though.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:29 PM   #57
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If this was Hardcore Holly using GO2SLEEP and the KENTA combo, the IWC would be ALL over him.
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HHH told Punk it's cool to steal moves, like when he took the Greetings from Ghana from Jimmy Rave.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:57 PM   #59
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I personally do not give a fuck about who stole who's move(s) though.
I'm honestly more amused by the reaction than anything else. There's only so many ways to do something. I understand that. It's better, however, if signature moves aren't copied. As Destor has pointed out before, it is their livelihood. And not every instance will hurt someone (Certainly, the use of the Figure Four won't hurt Flair in this day and age, and a Race Knee isn't hurting anyone because he's out of the game), but ripping off your contemporaries is kinda a dickish thing to do in a lot of cases.
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:45 PM   #60
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I'm honestly more amused by the reaction than anything else. There's only so many ways to do something. I understand that. It's better, however, if signature moves aren't copied. As Destor has pointed out before, it is their livelihood. And not every instance will hurt someone (Certainly, the use of the Figure Four won't hurt Flair in this day and age, and a Race Knee isn't hurting anyone because he's out of the game), but ripping off your contemporaries is kinda a dickish thing to do in a lot of cases.
Just to add to this, lets say Punk gets the combo and Go2Sleep over. To the point everyone associates these moves with Punk. Great for him. Now lets assume the WWE signs KENTA. Whats will KENTA then be forced to do? Change his move set to accomidate a man that took them from the ORIGIONATER. That's an issue in my eyes. But the bigger issue is how they would be less likely to bring him in if they already have a guy doing those things, it's not like they need two of those right?

I'll say it really sucks when you work really hard to get something over just to see a guy YOU KNOW doing the same thing YOU came up with elsewhere. Pretty offensive and pretty shitty. YOu work real hard to bring something unique to the table, so you can be worth something, and when A guy takes that he might as well be dipping his hands into your pocket and taking your wallet because it's going to cause the smae effect.

Punk deserves shit for this, but here's the sad truth: The world saw Punk do this first. Their his now.
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Old 02-22-2007, 06:10 PM   #61
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I've just watched the clip of the 'Go 2 Sleep' by Punk on Youtube, and I've got to say - what a lot of fuss over a shitty looking move.
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Destor, you lost me at "WWE signs KENTA"
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If this was Hardcore Holly using GO2SLEEP and the KENTA combo, the IWC would be ALL over him.
To be fair, if this was Hardcore Holly, he would have stiffed the guy and broken his face for not paying his dues.
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Destor, you lost me at "WWE signs KENTA"
Hypothetical.
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You're listening to the wrong part of the story basically.
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Just to add to this, lets say Punk gets the combo and Go2Sleep over. To the point everyone associates these moves with Punk. Great for him. Now lets assume the WWE signs KENTA. Whats will KENTA then be forced to do? Change his move set to accomidate a man that took them from the ORIGIONATER. That's an issue in my eyes. But the bigger issue is how they would be less likely to bring him in if they already have a guy doing those things, it's not like they need two of those right?

I'll say it really sucks when you work really hard to get something over just to see a guy YOU KNOW doing the same thing YOU came up with elsewhere. Pretty offensive and pretty shitty. YOu work real hard to bring something unique to the table, so you can be worth something, and when A guy takes that he might as well be dipping his hands into your pocket and taking your wallet because it's going to cause the smae effect.

Punk deserves shit for this, but here's the sad truth: The world saw Punk do this first. Their his now.
Not necessarily. Following your assumptions, they can start a feud between Punk and KENTA on the basis that the fans think KENTA stole the moves. They could show videos of how KENTA has been doing it in the past for a long time to set the record straight and it can culminate in a final match where the winner keeps the moves and also turn Punk heel.

Like I said in another thread, let's wait to see if he keeps using those moves. Unless he wins the MITB with the GTS which is unlikely then let's forget about it.
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What does it matter. Every move ever done or that ever will be done would be better performed if Destor did it. So really it's every just stealing Destor's glory...
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To be fair, if this was Hardcore Holly, he would have stiffed the guy and broken his face for not paying his dues.
To be fair, that's kinda dodging the real issue here.
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Old 02-22-2007, 08:53 PM   #69
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Not necessarily. Following your assumptions, they can start a feud between Punk and KENTA on the basis that the fans think KENTA stole the moves. They could show videos of how KENTA has been doing it in the past for a long time to set the record straight and it can culminate in a final match where the winner keeps the moves and also turn Punk heel.

Like I said in another thread, let's wait to see if he keeps using those moves. Unless he wins the MITB with the GTS which is unlikely then let's forget about it.
Not gonna happen, not really prudent, and especially, not viable more than, say, once or twice. This does happen often, and it's definitely detrimental. WWE probably won't hire someone when they've already got someone to fit the bill.
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:05 PM   #70
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Yeah, I'll agree though that it is a pretty dickish thing to blatantly rip someone off when you they are trying to get by and make a living. However, we still have to take into account that maybe Punk asked KENTA for permission to use those moves as well.

I figure the opinions that really matter are the ones who know better. I know where the moves originated from because I am a hardcore wrestling fan. And really lets face it, casual fans won't give a shit and the marks in between are too busy popping for the five knuckle shuffle or AJ Styles's 65th flip in one match to notice.
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:12 PM   #71
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Yes, I can imagine it's plausible that someone would lend their signature moves to somene so that they can become identified with them by doing them on national television.

No, wait, My Occam's Razor needs a new blade.
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:31 PM   #72
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I dunno, know matter how much I try to approach the situation with an open mind, it still feels cheap to me.
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Old 02-22-2007, 11:31 PM   #73
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I don't know about cheap, but it certainly seems disrespectful (regardless of the intent).

I'm not losing any sleep over it mind...
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I've just watched the clip of the 'Go 2 Sleep' by Punk on Youtube, and I've got to say - what a lot of fuss over a shitty looking move.
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How about this, KENTA starts using the Pepsi Plunge.

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