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Old 02-21-2007, 02:51 AM   #1
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If CM Punk is so great...
Then why is he BLATENTLY ripping off KENTA?

I know wrestlers steal moves from other wrestlers, but several from the same guy?

The guy is a studied martial artist, yet he cant come up with his own striking combo? He has to steal KENTA's?(two slaps, rotating chop, roundhouse) He didn't even mix it up at all, ffs. I can honestly say I have never seen a striking combo like that, that was a signature of a particular wrestler, stolen by someone else.

Strange as that was i was willing to get past it, but I hear now, that on the recent ecw tv taping he used the GO2SLEEP. Come the fuck on, KENTA's the only guy in the world who does that move. And you already ripped him off once. For someone who is hyped so much, he hasn't shown me much originality so far in his wwe run.

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Old 02-21-2007, 03:43 AM   #2
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I hope he starts using Go 2 Sleep as a pinfall finisher. And anaconda vice for submission.

Using Go 2 Sleep doesn't bother me.
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The problem is there are probably very few wrestlers Punk can give the Go 2 Sleep to.
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:45 AM   #4
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I'm sure that he has a lot of control over his moveset in WWE.
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:53 AM   #5
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Big deal. If anything, maybe it's a sign of respect. KENTA has a big match coming up with Morishima. Maybe this was a tribute of some kind. I doubt it though.

Anyways, everybody in wrestling copies from somebody. Flair stole from Rogers, Hogan stole from Graham, etc, etc. Just because nobody else does that move doesn't mean he can't do it. So what, he does a move that he seen someone else do, he likes it and uses it. I don't see no problem. Besides, KENTA don't hardly ever wrestle in the states anyway, and when he does its for ROH, who don't even have a tv deal.
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Triple H should stop giving those Harley race knees. And where does Shawn Michaels get off applying the figure four?
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:30 AM   #7
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I don't care what move(s) he uses, just as long as you guys realize that he's majorly overated by the internet community.
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I"m well aware., but that doesn's stope me from markign out fo rhim..
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overrated all depends on how you're rated. He's rated like god. He is a great wrestler and has potential. That makes him overrated, but it doesn't take anything away from him.
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Old 02-21-2007, 06:03 AM   #10
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Yeah, the GO 2 SLEEP surprised me, but then again, I remember watching Jamie Noble use Rodrick Strong's finisher a while ago (I think it's Strong; it's the fireman's carry into a falling gutbuster).

And as far as the striking combo goes... I thought that's a common martial arts move period. Not just Kenta's move. Granted, Kenta uses it a lot, but it's still a striking combo.
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I hear more about how overrated CM Punk is than about how great he's actually supposed to be.



I'm starting to think Punk being overrated is overrated.
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Old 02-21-2007, 06:39 AM   #12
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Well it is just one match so let's see if he does it again although I don't have a problem. I do believe CM Punk is overrated because of how people go crazy over him even when he hasn't been that good since his debut on ECW. I saw some matches of him in ROH after he debuted in ECW and thought he was amazing and always expected to see him like that but I am continually disappointed. Actually I think his best match so far was against Shannon Moore. The fans cheer him when he comes out and chants CM Punk during the matches but other than that it's pretty quiet and slow-paced. I don't know why I haven't seen the real Punk yet but he did a pretty sweet move on RVD at D2D and from that single moment alone I've always believed that he needed the right opponent to come out of his shell. I believe if you put him up against RVD consistently, they will put up good matches and hopefully bring out the real CM Punk. Also I've always wanted him to go to Smackdown and become heel simply to battle Benoit and possibly have a triple threat match with Benoit and Mysterio reminiscent of the Punk vs Eddie vs Mysterio match.

In summary. ROH Punk > ECW Punk. Heel Punk = Reeks of awesomeness and destrucity. Maybe he can find a niche on Smackdown and put into a program with the right guys and make something of himself and eventually we will get to see him on the A show.
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Old 02-21-2007, 08:08 AM   #13
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Like I said last night, it's hard to have matches like has in ROH when he is only given 5-7 minute matches.

Seriously, he is stuck on ECW where it's only an hour show and they really don't get PPVs. Let's not forget the matches he has had up until December were basically squash matches. And then look at the feuds he's had Mike Knox, Hardcore Holly, and Matt Striker. Knox sucks and he didn't really get much in the feud and we all know what happened in the feud with Holly and Striker.
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Like I said last night, it's hard to have matches like has in ROH when he is only given 5-7 minute matches.

Seriously, he is stuck on ECW where it's only an hour show and they really don't get PPVs. Let's not forget the matches he has had up until December were basically squash matches. And then look at the feuds he's had Mike Knox, Hardcore Holly, and Matt Striker. Knox sucks and he didn't really get much in the feud and we all know what happened in the feud with Holly and Striker.


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Old 02-21-2007, 09:28 AM   #15
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I don't care what move(s) he uses, just as long as you guys realize that he's majorly overated by the internet community.

I'll acknowledge this if you acknowledge that the IWC doesn't really matter in the end.
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Old 02-21-2007, 10:03 AM   #16
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Sure it matters.

Whoever we like gets depushed.

Therefore, we have a lot of influence.
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I'll acknowledge this if you acknowledge that the IWC doesn't really matter in the end.
In WWE, no. In every other American promotion, yeah.
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Old 02-21-2007, 10:20 AM   #18
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I dunno, like i said, I didn't have that big a problem, with him taking the combo because wrestlers do that all the time, but taking more than one of a wrestlers signature moves is something I have never really seen before.

And corkscrewed, that is most definitly not a common martial arts combo. Maybe each individual strike, but kenta came up with the sequence himself.
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I dunno, like i said, I didn't have that big a problem, with him taking the combo because wrestlers do that all the time, but taking more than one of a wrestlers signature moves is something I have never really seen before.
I can't name any off-hand, but I'm almost positive I've heard of wrestlers basically taking on another wrestler's style (not including blatant rip-offs) and a majority of his moves.
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Well the main point of the thread is that if CM Punk is as good as everyone says he is, he shouldn't have to.
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No one is ever as good as the IWC says they are. And no one is ever as bad as the IWC says, except with the possible exception of Khali.
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No one is ever as good as the IWC says they are.
Even guys like HBK, Flair, and Bret?
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Oh yeah. They're some of the greatest, don't get me wrong, but the IWC blows them up like they never did any wrong at times and were perfect.
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I dunno, like i said, I didn't have that big a problem, with him taking the combo because wrestlers do that all the time, but taking more than one of a wrestlers signature moves is something I have never really seen before.

And corkscrewed, that is most definitly not a common martial arts combo. Maybe each individual strike, but kenta came up with the sequence himself.
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Since it was just brought up recently...
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No one is ever as good as the IWC says they are. And no one is ever as bad as the IWC says, except with the possible exception of Khali.
I don't think this can be stated strongly enough. But people won't get it.
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Old 02-21-2007, 02:42 PM   #26
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Wait, wait, are those like the only moves in his moveset or what? And if he is imitating a good wrestler with good moves and storytelling capabilities, wouldn't that make him a good wrestler also? I'm not a Punk fan, mind you, but it seems like a silly thing to get on his case about.
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Old 02-21-2007, 02:47 PM   #27
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Old 02-21-2007, 02:49 PM   #28
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Triple H should stop giving those Harley race knees. And where does Shawn Michaels get off applying the figure four?
And what's with everybody doing Lou Thesz Presses? I mean, it's got his NAME in there!
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:13 PM   #29
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Come the fuck on, KENTA's the only guy in the world who does that move.
Both B-Boy and Davey Richards have used it. Cheech also does a variation of it.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:15 PM   #30
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It's just a move. You can't just copy moves and be a good wrestler. If this were the case all those trampolene wrestling match videos would be 5 star matches. Its how you use them along with how you assemle your style along with many other talents. To 90% of the people watching ECW and or WWE its new.

It'd be great if he hit it off the ladder at mania.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:16 PM   #31
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I dunno, like i said, I didn't have that big a problem, with him taking the combo because wrestlers do that all the time, but taking more than one of a wrestlers signature moves is something I have never really seen before.

And corkscrewed, that is most definitly not a common martial arts combo. Maybe each individual strike, but kenta came up with the sequence himself.
Okay. I must have seen it in a wrestling video game then.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:45 PM   #32
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Both B-Boy and Davey Richards have used it. Cheech also does a variation of it.
I think Cheech's variation is pretty sick looking in it's own right.
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Old 02-21-2007, 07:52 PM   #33
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Fine, whatever. But if he uses the baisakyu knee next week, I'm callin bullshit.

Where the fuck is WWKD and Mr. Monday Morning? They'd be with me on this.
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:22 AM   #34
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Eh, he probably does it as a tribute.
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:19 AM   #35
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:28 AM   #36
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Per FIg's request.

Punk can use the Go 2 Sleep... It's a move, that's fine.

Ripping off the KENTA combo is a bit shitty though. That's not a single move, but a combo. That'd be like someone doing Roaddoggs' punch combo, or Dusty's bionic elbow combo back in the day.

To an exaggerated extent, imagine another wrestler doing the Rock's Spinebuster and People's elbow, in a row, and not as a joke. Or Cima's iconoclasm and then the mad splash.

There's a difference between taking a move or two, and taking combos that are obviously another wrestler's.
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:32 AM   #37
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If Kenta didn't want CM to take his Combos, he shoulda written his name on the bag.
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Old 02-22-2007, 10:47 AM   #38
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I ejoyed Punk's rendition of the Go 2 Sleep, but wish that he would refrain from using the striking combo. It just looks terrible when he does it.
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Old 02-22-2007, 11:26 AM   #39
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If Kenta didn't want CM to take his Combos, he shoulda written his name on the bag.


By the way, I've just got to use this line. I don't agree with it in terms of punk, but...

"Good artists borrow. Great artists steal."
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Old 02-22-2007, 11:29 AM   #40
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Per FIg's request.

Punk can use the Go 2 Sleep... It's a move, that's fine.

Ripping off the KENTA combo is a bit shitty though. That's not a single move, but a combo. That'd be like someone doing Roaddoggs' punch combo, or Dusty's bionic elbow combo back in the day.

To an exaggerated extent, imagine another wrestler doing the Rock's Spinebuster and People's elbow, in a row, and not as a joke. Or Cima's iconoclasm and then the mad splash.

There's a difference between taking a move or two, and taking combos that are obviously another wrestler's.

bubba ray has ripped off dusty's elbow
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