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Old 04-09-2007, 05:01 PM   #41
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ROFL, causal fan. I have never been in a fight, so I obvviously can't relate right? I don't watch hours and hours of UFC so I dont know what to look for, right? I have no formal training so I dont know what to look for right? Wait. All that was bs, I've been in plenty of fights, I watch MMA constantly, and I have YEARS of formal training. Oh. And people who cant say that still no whats up. you're just nieve.

And all that shit you just said APPLIES TO BOXING AS WELL. PEOPLE TAKE DIVES IN BOXING ALL THE DAMN TIME AND FOR THE MOST PART NO ONE EVER NOTICES.
People do take dives in boxing, why do you think boxing has lost all credability? Boxers who have taken dives have also came out and talked about it, you think UFC want's that to happen, espically now, that would completly KILL MMA as a legimates sport.
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Old 04-09-2007, 05:02 PM   #42
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Yeah they can have the opprotunity to beat a credible fighter, a main event fighter, but its unlikley thats why the feed them to the big boys. Dana White is trying to be a legit Vince McMahon, and it works to some extent but UFC won't draw like WWE does ever, because it is pit fighting, nothing more. Boxers take dives, baseball players, football players, in any sport it happens and more often than not we never have a clue. Dana wants to be as famous as McMahon, his feud with Tito is/was pathetic, absolutley lame. UFC is my favorite fight promotion by far but I am getting sick of all the bullshit they are adding.
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Old 04-09-2007, 05:04 PM   #44
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People do take dives in boxing, why do you think boxing has lost all credability? Boxers who have taken dives have also came out and talked about it, you think UFC want's that to happen, espically now, that would completly KILL MMA as a legimates sport.
"UFC" doesn't have that much to say about who takes dives when. Dives usually come from external pressure from people with serious power trying to make moeny gambling. The bigger the UFC and MMA get the more often this will happen. Period. It's unadvoidable.

And the only boxers talking about taking dives are the ones who sucked at falling down. Those guys should have got some pro-wrestling training, learn how to bump. Then they're in the hunt.
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ROFL at the idea of training to take a dive.
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So Destor, please tell me which fights were fixed in the UFC. You said that after all the hours of fights you've watched you know what to look for. So enlightlen us on who laid down for who. And if you can, post youtube footage.
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You fucking idiot. Try some basic reading comprehension.
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An example of a push RIGHT now in boxing = Paul Williams. If you know boxing, watch this guys fights. He's mediocre AT BEST, yet he's like 30-0 or something like that and being fed TONS of bums to hype him as the next great fighter. But WATCH his fights, he beats this bums but can't every dominate or soundly beat any of them. He struggles against opponents that should be showcase fights.
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Yeah, I'm under the impression that no one here is saying MMA is currently being rigged. The fact of the matter is that UFC fighters could take a dive just as easily as a boxer could, and you'd have no fucking idea. Boxers were taking dives an outrageously long time before anybody came out and talked about it...and since UFC and other MMA organizations are just now getting out into the big time and the spotlight with public cable series' and shit, any fixed fights would be falling well under the radar. Yeah, boxing lost all credibility from fixed fights...but UFC has only in the past year plus built any credibility to speak of, let alone had time to ruin it.

The idea that fixed fights would be impossible in UFC because "ZOMG IT'S MMA" is outrageous. I've heard of karate tournaments being fixed. Again, boxing is fixed all the time. UFC isn't magically immune to the effects of the almighty dollar just because they're some sort of alternative. For all the shit that's different, there's a damn lot of things that are exactly the same. It's still a corporation putting on fights for television, and it's been time tested that fights aren't hard to slap a pre-determined end to.

Alot of people have already pointed out how certain fighters are "booked," and certain lesser fighters are "jobbed out" to obviously superior veterans. I won't further display my lack of knowledge about MMA by adding more evidence to the fire--just point out a 90% scripted MMA promotion wouldn't really be all that hard to pull off, and might actually get away with it for a few years. You just have to feed a few more lines, touch the drama a bit more, and fix all the fights with less obvious outcomes. It might not last long, but I think alot of people would be surprised by just how long it could last.
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Old 04-10-2007, 07:22 AM   #52
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Dunno if pancrase is scripted or not, but I wanna say no.
Would RINGS count too? Dunno, never have researched them properly
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Old 04-10-2007, 03:21 PM   #53
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It's much tougher to take a dive today then it was way back when.

Now you have the internet and thousands upon thousands of people looking at these matches with like a fine tooth comb. So I would say people would still be able to catch dive quicker now then they could at one time.

Now sure fights have been fixed before and I'm sure some promotion do. K-1 bascially just did it a few months ago, but I don't UFC would be doing it right now. The risk is to great.
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It'd be too easy to spot.
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