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Old 05-08-2007, 02:06 AM   #41
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Jericho worked with a better standard of worker than Hart did and hasn't had as many great matches.
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:20 AM   #42
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Maybe your standards are too high or your obsession with Bret Hart being the best blinds you.
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:32 AM   #43
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For every Yokozuna, Bret got to face a Shawn Michaels. For every Chris Benoit, Jericho got to a Chyna.
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Five Star Chris Jericho Matches

ECW Heat Wave 1996
Chris Jericho vs. Shane Douglas vs. Pitbull #2 vs. Too Cold Scorpio
~A complete hidden gem. Half of the people had the match of their career in this match, launched Jericho into the American market, and probably one of ECW's top 5 matches ever put on. This one is totally debatable, and if you don't accept it, fine. But for me, this was absolutely a Five Star Match.

WCW SuperBrawl 1998
Chris Jericho vs. Juvi Guerrera
~Again, just a fantastic match. This was really the first time I realized that WCW's under card was an incredible show unto itself. Again, this one may not make a lot of people's 5 Star list, but it absolutely does for me. A great moment for the under card workers who inally began to shine through a stand alone stars.

WWE WrestleMania 2000
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle
~The Ladder Match in that evening totally stole the "Bang Bang Boom!" feel of WrestleMania, but this had the incredible "Oh my god, I witnessed a legendary WrestleMania match" feeling to it. It is the genesis of three of the greatest WWE legacies that there have ever been.

WWE Judgment Day 2000
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit
~Classic submission match. One of the best in my opinion. Had a great feel, and truly was the match that brought back the feel of importance to the Intercontinental Championship that had been missing since Austin's departure to World Title status.

WWE Royal Rumble 2001
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit
~Best Ladder Match Ever. That's my personal opinion and a fucking incredible classic match. Unquestionably a Five Star.

WWE King of the Ring 2001
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit vs. Steve Austin
~Go watch this match. It's a stand alone match of sheer amazing quality, you factor in the Benoit injury and it really has a TON of heart. I really can't say anything about this match other than it is just simply incredible. Go watch it now.

WWE No Mercy 2001
Chris Jericho vs. The Rock
~AWESOME. Five Stars hands down. The winning a World Title for Jericho could not have been a more special moment for me as a fan. I know Benoit's Mania win is very highly regarded as an awesome feel, but on a personal level, this one trumps that. His reign and eventually uneventful dropping of the title left a lot to be desired, but this match and moment was truly something special.

WWE Vengeance 2001
Chris Jericho vs. Steve Austin
~If ever there was a moment when the event and happenings coupled with symbolism was just a moment on to itself, it was this one. Chris Jericho was the newly crowned WCWWorld Champion and Steve Austin was the WWF Champion. It was the foundation of the original WCW during the late 90's and the heart and soul of WWF during that period, going head to head, and while it was focused on during the match, the undertone screamed legacy vs. legacy. The match itself was totally sold, and it had a match to truly officially be the Undisputed World Champion (WCW was bought out, ECW was dead, and the NWA Belt was floating around Japan and Europe). This was the match for American fans to have the one guy, no questions asked, who was the Champion of the World...and Jericho came out on top. One of the best nights as it culminated in both KayFabe and reality the unification. Total Five Star classic if only for the status of the match.

WWE Judgment Day 2002
Chris Jericho vs. Triple H
~Everything a Hell in the Cell match should be. Incredible workers, flawlessly executed gimmick match, just incredible. Five Star.

WWE Survivor Series 2002
Chris Jericho vs. Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Booker T vs. Rob Van Dam vs. Kane
~The only non-laughable Elimination Chamber match. So awesome, I can drool over it. Five Star.

WWE WrestleMania XIX
Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels
~No doubt in my mind this should be on everyone's Five Star matches. Complete match of the night. Complete WrestleMania classic amoung classics.

WWE WrestleMania XX
Chris Jericho vs. Christian
~Quite killer of the night. The Triple Threat was the best match of that entire year, but this match was such a perfect love triangle angle climax. And the match itself may be Christian's best non-gimmick match of all time...infact I would probably rank it his best match ever. Just awesome, awesome, awesome. And showed Jericho once again that Jericho didn't need the Main Event to be a legendary classic.

WrestleMania 21
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit vs. Edge vs. Shelton vs. Christian vs. Kane
~The last great gimmick match if you ask me. This is the last time WWE or TNA has had a gimmick match where it was just so "Oh My God" good that it becomes a last memory for life. Total Five Star!

Those were just off the top of my head for Five Star matches Jericho has had. He had such a legacy of taking the undercard and tearing the house down in matches. I almost don't mind how little time Jericho spent in the World Title picture, because he lit the midcard on fucking fire for years. Match for match, I think he's the best Canadian wrestler ever.
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Old 05-08-2007, 02:44 AM   #47
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You have no idea what a 5 star match if you think all those were 5 star. Most of them weren't even the best matches on that show.
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You're right rob, a lot of those matches aren't a learning video of how to put on a technical classic match, and some of them even had gimmicks. OooOooOoo, obviously I've fucking clueless about what makes good wrestling, because I happen to enjoy something that isn't mat wrestling for a half hour.
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For every Yokozuna, Bret got to face a Shawn Michaels. For every Chris Benoit, Jericho got to a Chyna.
I can't talk to you people anymore.

Jericho had far better talent to work with. They both worked their fair share of world class opponents but the average talent Jericho worked were FAR better than what Hart had.

As for the Chyna comment, Bret had to wrestle Will Sasso.
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You're right rob, a lot of those matches aren't a learning video of how to put on a technical classic match, and some of them even had gimmicks. OooOooOoo, obviously I've fucking clueless about what makes good wrestling, because I happen to enjoy something that isn't mat wrestling for a half hour.
Oooooooh another sarcastic wrestling fan.
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Oooooooh another sarcastic wrestling fan.
I'm just going to finish with this and then call it a night...

Chris Jericho always had great matches. You never knew what was going to come next. He had that constant state of unpredictability that kept them all fresh an exciting. Bret Hart had such a tightly worked match that you saw everything that was coming from a mile away...expect Montreal...but...well...you know.
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Jericho isnt even in the top 5 list for Canadian wrestlers, let alone being better than Bret. Jericho is actually kinda overrated among many.

He doesnt wrestle nearly as good as the top guys, like Hart or Benoit, and his promos arent convincing in that he cant be serious at all, and when he tried to be, it just didnt come off good.
Oh please, Jericho is better by miles than Benoit. Who ARE the top five Canadian wrestlers, then, Canada boy?
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Old 05-08-2007, 10:42 AM   #54
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It takes 2 to make a "5-Star" match. Nobody is carried in a 5* match.
One person can singlehandedly make an otherwise 4-star into a 5-star whether his opponent is helping or not.
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And one person can carry his opponent to a 4 star match and Michaels, Hart and Benoit have proven this time and time again.
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Jesus Christ, I'm amazed at how many people will give almost any match 5 stars.

Which Brings us to tonight's word:

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Jericho is the musical chairs champion of the world, bitch.
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For every Yokozuna, Bret got to face a Shawn Michaels. For every Chris Benoit, Jericho got to a Chyna.
Yeah, and Jericho has proven that when faced with a shitty opponent, he cant carry said shitty opponent to top quality matches...whereas Hart could work with anyone and make them look good.

Overall, it isnt even close, Jericho is leagues behind the Hitman.
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Five Star Chris Jericho Matches

ECW Heat Wave 1996
Chris Jericho vs. Shane Douglas vs. Pitbull #2 vs. Too Cold Scorpio
~A complete hidden gem. Half of the people had the match of their career in this match, launched Jericho into the American market, and probably one of ECW's top 5 matches ever put on. This one is totally debatable, and if you don't accept it, fine. But for me, this was absolutely a Five Star Match.

WCW SuperBrawl 1998
Chris Jericho vs. Juvi Guerrera
~Again, just a fantastic match. This was really the first time I realized that WCW's under card was an incredible show unto itself. Again, this one may not make a lot of people's 5 Star list, but it absolutely does for me. A great moment for the under card workers who inally began to shine through a stand alone stars.

WWE WrestleMania 2000
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle
~The Ladder Match in that evening totally stole the "Bang Bang Boom!" feel of WrestleMania, but this had the incredible "Oh my god, I witnessed a legendary WrestleMania match" feeling to it. It is the genesis of three of the greatest WWE legacies that there have ever been.

WWE Judgment Day 2000
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit
~Classic submission match. One of the best in my opinion. Had a great feel, and truly was the match that brought back the feel of importance to the Intercontinental Championship that had been missing since Austin's departure to World Title status.

WWE Royal Rumble 2001
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit
~Best Ladder Match Ever. That's my personal opinion and a fucking incredible classic match. Unquestionably a Five Star.

WWE King of the Ring 2001
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit vs. Steve Austin
~Go watch this match. It's a stand alone match of sheer amazing quality, you factor in the Benoit injury and it really has a TON of heart. I really can't say anything about this match other than it is just simply incredible. Go watch it now.

WWE No Mercy 2001
Chris Jericho vs. The Rock
~AWESOME. Five Stars hands down. The winning a World Title for Jericho could not have been a more special moment for me as a fan. I know Benoit's Mania win is very highly regarded as an awesome feel, but on a personal level, this one trumps that. His reign and eventually uneventful dropping of the title left a lot to be desired, but this match and moment was truly something special.

WWE Vengeance 2001
Chris Jericho vs. Steve Austin
~If ever there was a moment when the event and happenings coupled with symbolism was just a moment on to itself, it was this one. Chris Jericho was the newly crowned WCWWorld Champion and Steve Austin was the WWF Champion. It was the foundation of the original WCW during the late 90's and the heart and soul of WWF during that period, going head to head, and while it was focused on during the match, the undertone screamed legacy vs. legacy. The match itself was totally sold, and it had a match to truly officially be the Undisputed World Champion (WCW was bought out, ECW was dead, and the NWA Belt was floating around Japan and Europe). This was the match for American fans to have the one guy, no questions asked, who was the Champion of the World...and Jericho came out on top. One of the best nights as it culminated in both KayFabe and reality the unification. Total Five Star classic if only for the status of the match.

WWE Judgment Day 2002
Chris Jericho vs. Triple H
~Everything a Hell in the Cell match should be. Incredible workers, flawlessly executed gimmick match, just incredible. Five Star.

WWE Survivor Series 2002
Chris Jericho vs. Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Booker T vs. Rob Van Dam vs. Kane
~The only non-laughable Elimination Chamber match. So awesome, I can drool over it. Five Star.

WWE WrestleMania XIX
Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels
~No doubt in my mind this should be on everyone's Five Star matches. Complete match of the night. Complete WrestleMania classic amoung classics.

WWE WrestleMania XX
Chris Jericho vs. Christian
~Quite killer of the night. The Triple Threat was the best match of that entire year, but this match was such a perfect love triangle angle climax. And the match itself may be Christian's best non-gimmick match of all time...infact I would probably rank it his best match ever. Just awesome, awesome, awesome. And showed Jericho once again that Jericho didn't need the Main Event to be a legendary classic.

WrestleMania 21
Chris Jericho vs. Chris Benoit vs. Edge vs. Shelton vs. Christian vs. Kane
~The last great gimmick match if you ask me. This is the last time WWE or TNA has had a gimmick match where it was just so "Oh My God" good that it becomes a last memory for life. Total Five Star!

Those were just off the top of my head for Five Star matches Jericho has had. He had such a legacy of taking the undercard and tearing the house down in matches. I almost don't mind how little time Jericho spent in the World Title picture, because he lit the midcard on fucking fire for years. Match for match, I think he's the best Canadian wrestler ever.
You had out those elite 5 stars pretty non chalantly then.
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You had out those elite 5 stars pretty non chalantly then.
You should see his list of Five Star Kevin Nash matches. It's basically the entire list.
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You should see his list of Five Star Kevin Nash matches. It's basically the entire list.

The One reminds me of JR in that way, whenever he tries to set up a classic match when there is probably no chance of any happening...

"My god King, this has the makings of an all time classic!!!"....after the two wrestlers have only just started locking up.
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it amazes me how people say how Bret whined etc while they conveniently forget how Michaels almost robbed us of the Rock and Steve Austin.It was Bret Hart who stood up for them.Bret hart doesnt whine, he speaks fact..its sad how some of you are so ignorant
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Bret whined for the cameras..his act must have been pretty damn good considering he has everyone bringing that shit up.

HBK whined better than most in reality...I dont wanna do this, I dont wanna do that, I wont drop the title to him now, no, make it ever!...I dont wanna lose clean, I just wanna forfeit them...please, let me forfeit!!!

And forfeit he did. When it comes to all that shit, he's the best there ever will be.
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Again, this thread askes why do we hate Bret Hart, not why do we like him or why do we like Shawn Micheals.

I move that this topic has been exhausted and we have debated every angle. Lets just leave it that some people here are for the Kliq and others are for the Harts and family. And leave it at that for now. It is obvious we all value different things in different preformers, so lets just leave it at that. I'm getting tired of saying the same things over and over, and hearing the same things over and over.
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Bret Hart is the best wrestler of all-time. I don't understand how Kliq fans can call him a whiner or a bitch. Shawn Michaels was the biggest bitch of them all.

The only wrestlers that I've seen that are on his level in the ring are Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit or Kurt Angle.

Personally, I'd say Jericho is pretty close to that level, but he hasn't put on as many 5 star classics as those listed above. He's one of the most entertaining wrestlers ever though, no doubt, and his combination of in-ring ability and charisma makes him one of the best ever, in my opinion. In-ring he's a shade beneath the absolute elite, however.

Comparing the talent pool Bret Hart had to work with and the talent pool Chris Jericho had to work with is absurd. Jericho worked in ECW when they had some of the best wrestlers in the world. The talent level WCW had in the late 1990s was ridiculous. In the WWF he had great talent to work with as well, beginning with the Radicals coming over and through invasion and foward. Who the hell did Bret Hart have to work with? The New-Generation WWF roster, in terms of in-ring ability was atrocious, save for a few wrestlers.
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Again, this is asking why do the kliq fans hate Bret Hart. Quit arguing the same points about Jericho. Can we just close this thread now?
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You had out those elite 5 stars pretty non chalantly then.
Actually, I'd take every single one of those matches of ANY I have seen come out of RoH or Japan. ANY of them. And RoH and Japan are the homeground for the IWC's 5 Star Classics. I don't hand out Five Star Matches freely, I just happen to think that Chris Jericho is probably in the top 5 wrestlers of all time to have a Five Star Match. And to show you I seriously don't hand them out freely, officially; Kevin Nash, JBL, Sean Waltman, and Billy Gunn have never had a single Five Star Match. I don't just throw them all over the place, it just happens that for nearly 2 years Jericho was probably the best performer in the world for putting on Five Star matches. The only people in his league are Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin and possibly Roddy Piper. Triple H has had a few, but no where near how many Jericho has had. Hall has had a couple. Chris Jericho is just quite simply put one of the best ingredients for making a Five Star Match in history. He can carry them using a multitude of characters, styles and positions on the card. Chris Jericho is the best thing to ever come from Canada. (...fallowed by Piper)
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Oh please, Jericho is better by miles than Benoit. Who ARE the top five Canadian wrestlers, then, Canada boy?
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And one person can carry his opponent to a 4 star match and Michaels, Hart and Benoit have proven this time and time again.
Case in point: MVP
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I just don't like how Bret took all that time bitching about how he was wronged when the TV time could've been used putting over these 5 star performers that you're all mentioning.

ie: Savage ( probably more pre-WCW, but Bret was avidly in the spotlight then too), Jericho, Benoit
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Jericho is just as overrated as Bret has ever been, even more so in the time since his sabbatical.

I'm not saying he isn't VERY good, or that he is incapable of these "five star matches" everyone is talking about, but the one thing Jericho has always been, ever since the very first time I set eyes on him in his match against Alex Wright on Nitro in 1996, is inconsistant. He has the ability, but he doesn't always parlay it in the ring, therefore he is not some infallible wrestling God as everyone makes him out to be.

As for Bret; everybody knows one of these chip-on-the-shoulder, the world is out to get me, nothing goes my way, self-pitying guys.... so Bret whines? A lot? As wrestling fans, judge him as a wrestler. Leave the judging of Bret as a person to his friends and family, those who know him.

As for his in-ring ability... Bret is so straight-laced, he is an acquired taste, and he's another inconsistant guy (as anyone who may have seen him compete on a house show card or later in WCW may attest)... he has had so many great matches, though, you have to give him credit, like him or not.
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The One reminds me of JR in that way, whenever he tries to set up a classic match when there is probably no chance of any happening...

"My god King, this has the makings of an all time classic!!!"....after the two wrestlers have only just started locking up.
Pro Wrestlers are full of shit pretty much all the time. The One, and TPWW's other wrstlers just tend to take fucker up to eleven
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I'm just going to finish with this and then call it a night...

Chris Jericho always had great matches. You never knew what was going to come next. He had that constant state of unpredictability that kept them all fresh an exciting. Bret Hart had such a tightly worked match that you saw everything that was coming from a mile away...expect Montreal...but...well...you know.
Isn't that the same as Ric Flair also?
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Well damn, I can't argue with that, now can I?

Tell me please, what makes Benoit better than Jericho. Benoit is more technically skilled, but Jericho is quite skilled in his own right. If Benoit is a technical 10, Jericho is at LEAST a 7. Jericho, however, is so much more skilled at working crowds, on the mic and off it, that it isn't even funny. If Jericho is a 10 there, Benoit is a 5 at most. Jericho got himself over on his own in WCW with very little aid, so much so that when he came to the WWF the arena went mad for him. Benoit only truly holds a crowd's interest with a noticable opponent. Jericho could turn heel, then face, then heel, then face again in the course of a single show and make it work; Benoit could turn heel right now and most people wouldn't even notice.
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Ive always liked Jericho...and I do feel he has had some 5 star matches...

however, he has been inconsistent, and I always wanted more from him. There are times he seems on the verge of consistently putting on greatness, but then falls short or works a little sloppy. I do put him ahead of benoit however. Benoit is a wonderfully sound technician. He just doesnt hold my interest at all beyond that. I think he lacks any great charisma other than looking angry, he has no mic skills, and he looks like a leprechaun.

As for Hitman, I respect his ability and recognize him as one of the great performers of history. He definitely had a pattern to his style, but the way he executed his matches and that pattern is what defined him. Once he hit his groove, he had the look of someone who was going to be efficient and take you down and finish you. Some of my favorite all time matches include the Hitman: vs Piper, vs Perfect, vs HBK, etc.

That being said...I prefer to put HBK over any of them, simply because I feel he integrates all of these characteristics the best. He could consistently put on great matches, he has the look, he can mix it up between different styles, and he can also hold my interest and put on great matches against much lesser opponents, something I never found in the others.

HHH hits on all ends of the scale..hes been great at times, and just plain awful other times.
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Hart had a very believable style: he would sell an injury for weeks,his punches look better than ANYONE on the roster today.,his promo's were awesome during 1997.bret made wrestling believable.



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Well damn, I can't argue with that, now can I?

Tell me please, what makes Benoit better than Jericho. Benoit is more technically skilled, but Jericho is quite skilled in his own right. If Benoit is a technical 10, Jericho is at LEAST a 7. Jericho, however, is so much more skilled at working crowds, on the mic and off it, that it isn't even funny. If Jericho is a 10 there, Benoit is a 5 at most. Jericho got himself over on his own in WCW with very little aid, so much so that when he came to the WWF the arena went mad for him. Benoit only truly holds a crowd's interest with a noticable opponent. Jericho could turn heel, then face, then heel, then face again in the course of a single show and make it work; Benoit could turn heel right now and most people wouldn't even notice.
That is such crap dude, honestly. Benoit is only a 5 in your "working the crowds"? WTF, Benoit gets huge pops everytime he comes out and has been for the past 5 years.

Also, he can draw great heat, like in 2000 in his feud against the Rock. All you need to do with Benoit is package him right
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If Jericho is a 10, then yeah, Benoit's a five, because Jericho's that much better than him. And it's not like it was exactly hard to get heat against the Rock back in 2000, and keep in mind that Benoit had Shane helping him.
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