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Old 05-07-2007, 01:18 PM   #1
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Just wondering why so many people on here hate Bret Hart so much.

In the early to mid 90's, he was the best wrestler in the world. I just never feel he quite got the run he deserved. He really should have been the number one guy from 1992 until at least 1997. However, they put him in a bunch of midcard feuds:

Jerry Lawler - 1993
Bob Backlund - 1994-'95
Issac Yankem/Jerry Lawler - '95
Hakushi - '95

I guess the issue I have is that Hart was at his peak during these years, but was left off the main event (as well as being somewhat buried with him losing to Backlund who then lost to nash so easily.)

Right, so the point I'm getting at, I think Bret went through alot of crap in his career for someone of his calibre.

and my question is, why do ppl on here seem to dislike bret so much?
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:20 PM   #2
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Bret cut the rope
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:21 PM   #3
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He's a hypocritical bitcher.
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:24 PM   #4
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Because he's a pussy ass bitch who did little more than proclaim himself the best, bitch and cry if he lost, and put on matches that made Lance Storm look like a spot monkey. He was boring, bland, over rated, and the only reason he was Champ was so Vince could throw a non-Steroid abusing person up front. People loved him because people were able to all in love with Hogan by the WWE telling you to like them long enough, and it worked on him. He did nothing to deserve his placement amoung the greats, he was part of the Hart Foundations who only became legendary AFTER Bret won the World Title, BECAUSE he didn't use steroids. His entire career has been kind of a falling ass backwards to success. I guess since Canadians have so many things upside down, for someone like Bret, failing upwards was natural.
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:31 PM   #6
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In my opinion, Bret Hart is highly overrated. While I do indeed respect the fact that he never hurt anyone in the ring and I am actaully angry about how he got kicked in the head and put out of wrestling forever by Goldberg, Bret honestly didn't deserve that (especially with his history of working safe with everyone else).

That aside, he is still a whiny cry baby bitch behind the scenes. And in ring rather dry and boring and bland. His matches bored me except when he was in the ring with someone like Micheals who could carry him from a 4 star match to a 5 star match. Bret was a constant 4 star preformer. Which isn't bad, he just isn't the 5 star guy everyone makes him out to be. (Which is also the reason I don't like Beniot, he is another 4 star preformer that needs someone to carry him to 5 stars). Putting on a wrestling clinic is not what 5 star matches are made of, and putting on the exact same wrestling clinic every time is barely what a 4 star match is made of.

A guy like Micheals, Flair, and Jericho are a 5 star worker. And it is very hard to explain why, they just are, they just know how to make a match look awesome.
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:33 PM   #7
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I would also point out that Bret had his job largely because of his daddy in the first place. Yes, he was a great wrestler and yes, he deserved his spot in the WWF, but if I recall correctly, when Vince bought up Stu Hart's promotion, it was with a promise to take care of "his boys," aka Bret, Jim Neidhart, and Davey Boy. It's not outside of possibility that he might have been released early on because of his abysmal mic skills if not for that little bit of help.
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:47 PM   #8
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A guy like Micheals, Flair, and Jericho are a 5 star worker. And it is very hard to explain why, they just are, they just know how to make a match look awesome.
Flair is extremely over-rated, and I'd hardly call him a 5 star worker, and if ever was once apoun a time he was, it hasnt been in over 15 years.
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:49 PM   #9
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I meant in his prime, people still talk about a lot of Ric Flair's matchs. Today Flair is well past his prime, but can still pull a decent match out of his ass when he needs too.
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I meant in his prime, people still talk about a lot of Ric Flair's matchs. Today Flair is well past his prime, but can still pull a decent match out of his ass when he needs too.
Oh well yes in his Prime Flair was really good
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Old 05-07-2007, 03:45 PM   #11
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At least Flair isn't one of those old wrestlers who refuse to put over younger talent.
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:00 PM   #12
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What is your point chrisat928? Bret Hart put over talent. No one is arguing that.
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:07 PM   #13
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I like Bret, I liked everything he was about, his confidence, fairness, and wrestling ability (this is just his on screen character). Off screen I don't really care if he bitches or not because I don't pay to deal with that shit nor does anyone else unless you buy the Observer. I paid to watch him wrestle and entertain and he always, every match did that. He hit the hardest, wrestled the longest, and made me believe that it was real.

Other thing that made Bret cool

His entrance music
he gave his glasses to kids (wish I woulda got a pair)
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The sharpshooter was the shit, nobody has EVER done it better
He punched McMahon in the face, hard.
Thats about it.
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:07 PM   #14
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I love Bret Hart. Fuck you guys.
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:08 PM   #15
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My favorite Bret feuds

Dave Boy
King
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:10 PM   #16
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You forgot Mr. Perfect.
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:11 PM   #17
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Bret v. Owen was so fucking awesome to me. I guess it just hit me at the right age, and the idea of two brothers FIGHTING each other...it was just wild to me. Also, their opener at Wrestlemania X just might be my favorite match ever.
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:23 PM   #18
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Yeah your right I did. My favorite feud is probably with Davey Boy around December 1995. Fucking amazing match at that months IYH
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This thread isn't asking why you like, it is asking why you hate him. I answered why I hate him. Maybe if he was worth a damn, like everyone thinks he is, WCW would have done something with him.
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Bret Hart made wrestling seem real and fun at the same time for many people with his style. Not everyone likes the flashy over the top wrestlers like Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair, for example, who sometimes made the match seem more cartoonish.

Some of us prefered a match being serious and as realistic as it could be which is what Bret Hart always delivered. Of course wrestling isn't about that anymore, not even a single bit so it sucks nowadays.
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I just don't like all the whining he has done. Other than that I really liked him. I've liked a lot more wrestlers' in ring work than Bret's, but Bret was still a solid wrestler who got the best out of his oponents.

From what I remember a lot of the greats had their best matches with Bret.
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From what I remember a lot of the greats had their best matches with Bret.
Thats a good way of describing his legacy.
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Just wondering why so many people on here hate Bret Hart so much.

In the early to mid 90's, he was the best wrestler in the world. I just never feel he quite got the run he deserved. He really should have been the number one guy from 1992 until at least 1997. However, they put him in a bunch of midcard feuds:

Jerry Lawler - 1993
Bob Backlund - 1994-'95
Issac Yankem/Jerry Lawler - '95
Hakushi - '95

I guess the issue I have is that Hart was at his peak during these years, but was left off the main event (as well as being somewhat buried with him losing to Backlund who then lost to nash so easily.)

Right, so the point I'm getting at, I think Bret went through alot of crap in his career for someone of his calibre.

and my question is, why do ppl on here seem to dislike bret so much?
That's mostly cuz Hart was a company man, doing best for the fed...trying to make the midcard look better by giving those guys a rub, just being in the ring with the best thing going. He had no problem helping younger guys, guys that were just going nowhere until he decided they deserved a shot...Bret just knew what he was on about. He called the rock being a next big time great, and he helped the rock tremendously, unlike a certain other main eventer who tried to hurt his career...Bret hand chose Austin to be his next rival and look where that got things....

Bret was just the best possible man to make anyone and everyone look fucking good. Nobody could do what Bret did, and do it willingly at the same time.

Most of the people who dislike him are those that were too young to have even gotten what I just wrote down here. It's usually the younguns that dislike Bret, as he doesnt like their boy toy.
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This thread isn't asking why you like, it is asking why you hate him. I answered why I hate him. Maybe if he was worth a damn, like everyone thinks he is, WCW would have done something with him.

Vince said wcw wouldnt know what to do with a guy like Bret...and the reason why was cuz the guys in charge were fucking morons.
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Because he's a pussy ass bitch who did little more than proclaim himself the best, bitch and cry if he lost, and put on matches that made Lance Storm look like a spot monkey. He was boring, bland, over rated, and the only reason he was Champ was so Vince could throw a non-Steroid abusing person up front. People loved him because people were able to all in love with Hogan by the WWE telling you to like them long enough, and it worked on him. He did nothing to deserve his placement amoung the greats, he was part of the Hart Foundations who only became legendary AFTER Bret won the World Title, BECAUSE he didn't use steroids. His entire career has been kind of a falling ass backwards to success. I guess since Canadians have so many things upside down, for someone like Bret, failing upwards was natural.
Too bad you dont believe what you're typing.
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Did someone here just say Chris Jericho was a better worker than Bret Hart?
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Did someone here just say Chris Jericho was a better worker than Bret Hart?
I said Jericho constanly has 5 star matches as compared to 4 star Bert. It isn't always about being techincally sound, it is also about having charisma.
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:11 PM   #30
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Are you shitting me? Bret was an incredible scientific wrestler. He made what he did believable, his moves were always crisp, and when he applied the sharpshooter, you "knew" the match had to be over. I'll always be a Hart mark. Michaels can go suck a fat cock, because he's not at great as eve3ryone makes him out to be. Same old shit, all the time.

...But, at least he's better than Cena.
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Are you shitting me? Bret was an incredible scientific wrestler. He made what he did believable, his moves were always crisp, and when he applied the sharpshooter, you "knew" the match had to be over. I'll always be a Hart mark. Michaels can go suck a fat cock, because he's not at great as eve3ryone makes him out to be. Same old shit, all the time.

...But, at least he's better than Cena.
Yeah, well when Micheals applied that sharpshooter, the ref "knew" the match had to be over, and that is all that really matters.
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Did someone here just say Chris Jericho was a better worker than Bret Hart?

Jericho isnt even in the top 5 list for Canadian wrestlers, let alone being better than Bret. Jericho is actually kinda overrated among many.

He doesnt wrestle nearly as good as the top guys, like Hart or Benoit, and his promos arent convincing in that he cant be serious at all, and when he tried to be, it just didnt come off good.
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Too bad you dont believe what you're typing.
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Did someone here just say Chris Jericho was a better worker than Bret Hart?
I didn't say it, but I back it 110%.
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Bret v. Owen was so fucking awesome to me. I guess it just hit me at the right age, and the idea of two brothers FIGHTING each other...it was just wild to me. Also, their opener at Wrestlemania X just might be my favorite match ever.
ditto.

Bret VS Owen will probably live with me as the best feud I've ever seen. Bret was awesome in it, but Owen was incredible IMO. I remember i stopped watching in 1996 (when I knew it was fake but didn't really understand wrestling) and when I watched wrestling in shadows or whatever it was called, I was astonished to see Owen and Bret were actually friendly towards one-another. That feud just seemed so real to me then that i couldn't believe it had been acted
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Jericho isnt even in the top 5 list for Canadian wrestlers, let alone being better than Bret. Jericho is actually kinda overrated among many.

He doesnt wrestle nearly as good as the top guys, like Hart or Benoit, and his promos arent convincing in that he cant be serious at all, and when he tried to be, it just didnt come off good.
i must agree. I really like jericho, but to put him up there with being as good a wrestler as Bret Hart is a bit of a stretch IMO
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:50 AM   #37
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Simply put, Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels are the 2 greatest wrestlers of all time. Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels both "have it all". They can wrestle any style, have natural charisma, and can do any style of promo. Zen, it is ignorant to say Jericho can't be serious. He just was never in a long term role to be serious. I will never forget when Jericho was Undisputed Champion and he was facing the Rock and Rock was just talking about how he was gonna beat Jericho in 5 minutes and then go on to WrestleMania and then Jericho just came out of nowhere with "I'M NOT A JOKE DAMN IT!" and the camera zoomed in on his face and you saw his passion, his fire, his love of the business. He had serious promos during his fued with Michaels that really were awesome. Jericho has a knack for comedic timing which is usually thrown into everything he does but that is the Chris Jericho character.

On topic, Bret was a awesome technical wrestler and a good brawler but that was about it. If anybody is overrated it is Bret Hart. He could wrestle anybody and make them look good, but people need to remember that its easy to be good, its hard to be great. Bret Hart was never great in my eyes. He was damn good, but he wasn't fucking great.
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I said Jericho constanly has 5 star matches as compared to 4 star Bert. It isn't always about being techincally sound, it is also about having charisma.
What 5 star matches has Jericho had? Personally I can only think of 3 that would come close - Benoit at the Rumble, Rock when he won the WCW title and the tag match where Triple H tore his quad (and I'd give that one 5 stars).

Bret Hart is in at least 5 of the top 20 WWE matches of all time.
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It takes 2 to make a "5-Star" match. Nobody is carried in a 5* match.
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