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Old 05-12-2007, 10:33 AM   #41
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Fuck, i wonder how long Alienoids reply will be.

Anyhow, who's next I wonder? Couldn't give a shit about Conway.
Who is next? Probably Chuck Palumbo and Dupree. Also Balls Mahoney and Sandman.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:36 AM   #42
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Ummm, tardboy, I didn't argue any words that described 90% of wrestlers today, verifying the vanilla statement.

Thanks for once against confirming that you can't read.


Strawman. You're throwing a tantrum because someone called you on empty, generic platitudes.

Nobody said they should be able to cure cancer.


No matter hwo vanilla. I mean, you're not even trying to help your argument.


Yes. Because I have an attention span and memory, I am clearly obssessed.



This is at least a K3 Spazz out.


Generally when arguing that someone is not vanilla, something that isn't, in and of itself, vanilla?

Oh, wait, you don't understand that. Too many hard words for the little baby.


Says the bitch who's whining about an "insult" I didn't make.


OH WAAAA! YOU'RE SPINNING THIS.

Come on. You're so full of shit it's borderline tragic. You always complain I'm "spinning" shit because I don't immediately agree with you.

Guess what? They're different arguments. Mostly because I didn't describe them in vanilla terms. Something, you'll note, I called you on, and was what BDC used to indicate he was right.



I don't know what you mean!

This is too complicated for me!

My point was that you described all but a handful of people on the roster with those terms. You're too stupid to see that, because you can't understand that it's possible to actually have more than your linear, tiny mindset or the mindset of the opposition.

In other words, you're stupid. You're calling me a dickhead because my opinion is option 3: I still don't think he's vanilla, but your argument is stupid and applies to EVERYONE. Which in and of itself, is vanilla.


Again, you're too stupid to get it. My opinion hasn't changed. That doesn't mean I can't criticise an argument that I fdind to be retarded.

You complain about flip-flopping because you're too busy getting offended to actually try thinking. You know, critical thinking and reasoning. Heard of them? Probably not. Would have made half your K3 spazz out moot.

But why think critically when you can whine?



Ironic, coming from the retard who had to make up his argument here, by arguing against a strawman.

I mean, it's nice to hide behind that shit, if you're a three year old.

I love the "you're retarded because I've made up off the wall arguments and because I'm flipping out at things I'm too stupid to understand." Yes, Alienoid. You can't understand it, which makes the OTHER guy retarded. You make a strawman, so the other guy is retarded.

Did mommy forget to tie your mittens on today or something? Poor baby.


For some reason I imagined you typing that pulling faces like Eric Bogosian did in Scrubs. My God, you're such a retard.

Superior wrestling skills does not a guy vanilla. I'm pretty sure vanilla translates to "bland," doesn't it? The norm? My point was Conway is above the norm. If you claim he isn't vanilla, then logically you must agree with me? There is no option three, turdbag. Either he was bland or below that level, deserving of release, or he was above it. Make up your fucking mind.

Just a note out to everyone, Kane Knight has ruled, from now on saying a guy had great wrestling skills is not worthy of mention when pointing out what makes him worthy of employment. I want to hear what criteria he has set for them now. He said they don't need to cure cancer? Is eradicating polio too much to ask?

And you do spin shit. It's ironic you're calling me the straw man in all of this. You're probably too far retracted into your own ego to look at what you posted and realised that the issue isn't me whining, it's you being a cock.

Explain to me how being a better wrestler than most makes a guy vanilla. How being better on the mic than most makes a guy vanilla. If you can do that I'll stop the dick shit. But I bet you can't without hiding behind your usual "I'm too smart, you're too stupid to get it," bullshit. Go lead the world if you're so smart. Dude, you're just a guy who hides behind evasive argument techniques.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:37 AM   #43
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:45 AM   #44
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at Alienoid hiding behind Strawmen again.

Man, for someone who hates "spin," you sure love to "twist" things.

Ah well. Totally out of touch with reality, man. You're a giant spazz.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:45 AM   #45
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Ahh, Hell. I forget. When dealing with stupid people, keep your answers short, so they stand a chance of understanding them.

My stance: BDC is wrong. Alienoid is wrong. Alienoid is saying that what I said is what he meant, but he poorly communicated that, and thinks I'm somehow at fault for being able to actually communicate words and feelings. Alienoid's dumb.
Ooo, this makes more sense, as you've lost the evasive shit. And no, I get it all, I just don't see a point to it other than to fluff your "intellect" up.

My stance: Kane Knight thinks he knows all about everything. What KK said is that Conway put up with some shit gimmicks, so he had some value. What I said is that Conway was a great wrestler, great on the mic, put up with some shit gimmicks, thus he had some value. Same argument, no? Not according to KK. I called him out on it for being a slimey cunt, and blaming me for Rob Conway's portrayal in the WWE. KK is a retard playing with a dictionary he knows nothing about.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:46 AM   #46
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It wasn't evasive. You're just too stupid to do things like think things through logically.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:48 AM   #47
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What KK said is that Conway put up with some shit gimmicks, so he had some value.
Wow. Either you really CAN'T read, or you're lying to try and make up an argument. Either way, you have lost all right to call someone else a retard.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:49 AM   #48
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at Alienoid hiding behind Strawmen again.

Man, for someone who hates "spin," you sure love to "twist" things.

Ah well. Totally out of touch with reality, man. You're a giant spazz.
It's you who hides behind straw men. The issue here was whether Rob Conway is vanilla. I said he was not because he put up with shit gimmicks, and was a great wrestler; you said he was not because he put up with shit gimmicks. Then it was apparently my fault he was never seen as something other than vanilla? Huh? You've turned me into a straw man for your ego fellatio. When a woman does it it's much better, man.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:50 AM   #49
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It wasn't evasive. You're just too stupid to do things like think things through logically.
"I'm not avoiding it, I'm just standing away from it."
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:51 AM   #50
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Do you even know what a strawman is? Considering last time you complained about my use of the phrase, you didn't.

And no, that's not what I said. Do you really have to lie, to make up my argument in order to establish some sort of argument of your own?

God. I knew you were an idiot, but you always struck me as an honest tard. Now all it seems you do is lie about what I said.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:52 AM   #51
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"I'm not avoiding it, I'm just standing away from it."
Again, you're spinning it. Oh well. Not like I expected you to be able to come up with a real argument.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:59 AM   #52
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Wow. Either you really CAN'T read, or you're lying to try and make up an argument. Either way, you have lost all right to call someone else a retard.
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Conway never struck me as Vanilla so much as a guy who was stuck in lame ass gimmick after another.
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I do watch the WWE occasionally, yes.

Seriously, Rob Conway may not have lit the world on fire in WWE, but he's a talented guy. He can wrestle, he's capable on the mic. He never really got the chance he deserved in the WWE. I'm not saying he could have been the next Rock, or anything, but he was solid on all counts, and got put in two gimmicks which are re-used over and over again. Playing an evil foreigner (despite not being foreign) and becoming a narcissist is not going to set the world on fire.
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Like 80% of the wrestling world. Give him a cookie.
But yeah, this whole "I am right, I always make proper arguments. Everyone else is inferior," shit comes from the same who translated "Wooo! RVD vs. Jerry Lynn in TNA soon!" to "OMfg! Rvd never got the push he deserved! "

So who is putting up straw men, again?

And seeing as how your textbook of tired old defensive cliches is now pretty much public knowledge, your next move is predictable: "Prove that I said that. I don't recall it." It was in the thread about RVD not renewing his contract. You said it.
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Old 05-12-2007, 11:05 AM   #53
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Do you even know what a strawman is? Considering last time you complained about my use of the phrase, you didn't.

And no, that's not what I said. Do you really have to lie, to make up my argument in order to establish some sort of argument of your own?

God. I knew you were an idiot, but you always struck me as an honest tard. Now all it seems you do is lie about what I said.
Yeah, I didn't know last time, so I looked it up, and was shocked. I thought you'd use terms that you could use without ironic hypocrisy.

I think there may have been a miscommunication between us. You might have assumed I was saying Conway was only a C-level wrestler, which is not what I meant. When I said "Conway is solid," it was underplaying that he was good, because whenever I say a guy is good, cocks like you tear in to me for overrating them.

Now if that's the case, I apologise for getting aggressive towards you for that (admittedly still dickish) comment, but I will still get the private satisfaction of realising that you couldn't read the subtext of what I said, yet then you call for me to do it for you.
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Old 05-12-2007, 11:10 AM   #54
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"Conway never struck me as Vanilla so much as a guy who was stuck in lame ass gimmick after another."

Just proves how fucking stupid you are. That doesn't actually prove what you said, that he was good BECAUSE he was stuck in bad gimmicks.

Oh wait, that's probably not what you meant. You just said it several times.

Yeah, whatever.
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Yeah, I didn't know last time, so I looked it up, and was shocked. I thought you'd use terms that you could use without ironic hypocrisy.
You know, you might want to use phrases you could say without ironic hypocrisy.
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Again, you're spinning it. Oh well. Not like I expected you to be able to come up with a real argument.
Just because you feel satisfied with an argument, doesn't mean you're done. Until you have proven a point, you're just evading it. I'm still yet to see you address the issue.

How does being a great talent who only got a chance to showcase himself under shit gimmicks make a guy bland? I can understand that it wouldn't necessarily make a guy interesting, but it doesn't make him bland (which is what a straw man argument is).

You know what the funniest thing about this is: I didn't even argue with BDC that the guy was bland. I just said he could have done more and done it well. I'm still trying to work out where you got this me vs. blandness thing from. I'm just arguing against you for being a stupid cock pretty much
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"Conway never struck me as Vanilla so much as a guy who was stuck in lame ass gimmick after another."

Just proves how fucking stupid you are. That doesn't actually prove what you said, that he was good BECAUSE he was stuck in bad gimmicks.

Oh wait, that's probably not what you meant. You just said it several times.

Yeah, whatever.
Have you ever noticed that guy is spinning? I guess he read one of your posts.

Find me one statement I made about Conway being good because he was put in bad gimmicks.

You might be able to find some where I said he wasn't bland, but that's because you're such an agitating cunt, and I just like arguing with you. Most of the time it's like arguing with a ghost, though. Your points don't even add up to anything. It's always "You're too stupid, this. You disagree with me hence you're wrong, that."

I take it you have an interest in debating. Do you actually win? Because you must come off like a condescending cunt who's arguments are always paper thin and based on merely your surety of them.

I'm going to put down my hypothesis just once more for you: Rob Conway could have been more than just a bland narcissist character, or a bland French sympathiser. He has great wrestling skills and good promo skills. Argue that how you will. I'm beginning to think you can't.
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By the way:

I didn't misunderstand you, and I didn't assume you thought he was C-Level. The intent was always specifically that what you said could be applied to almost everyone.

Don't try and push the blame on me here.

Nor was it to agree with BDC and change sides. These are your own constructs, not mine.
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By the way:

I didn't misunderstand you, and I didn't assume you thought he was C-Level. The intent was always specifically that what you said could be applied to almost everyone.
So everyone is as good a wrestler as Rob Conway? Great Khali? Snitsky? Mark Henry? Viscera? Do I need to make the list of guys Rob Conway is truly better than?

What you said could be applied to almost anyone, as well. I still maintain that there are only a number of ways you can describe a guy's ability.
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By the way, this is where you officially lost the argument:

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at Alienoid hiding behind Strawmen again.

Man, for someone who hates "spin," you sure love to "twist" things.

Ah well. Totally out of touch with reality, man. You're a giant spazz.
There's nothing here but "Yeah. OK. Whatever. You're twisting things. You suck. I don't have an argument. Yeah."
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Old 05-12-2007, 01:12 PM   #61
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Rob Conway also had some of the worst entrance music of all time.
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Old 05-12-2007, 05:16 PM   #62
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Rob Conway also had some of the worst entrance music of all time.
I would have liked it much better if they had the lyrics pop up on the bottom of the screen, with Conway's head bouncing along.

Seriously, though, I think it was pretty damn stupid of them to cancel his face turn. When he just got fed up and started challenging anyone and doing whatever it took to win, Conway could have been a somewhat noticeable member of the roster.
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:46 PM   #63
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I never really cared much for him so whatever.

I really liked La Resistance. But as "the con man" I never really became interested.
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Old 05-13-2007, 12:53 AM   #64
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Good. He wasn't doing squat anyway.
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I never liked, in anything he did.
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Old 05-13-2007, 01:01 AM   #66
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Good. He wasn't doing squat anyway.


My sentiments exactly. He can now go to TNA or ROH and do something.
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Old 05-13-2007, 02:18 AM   #68
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FourFifty, my favourite thing about your post is that Vince McMahon is currently listed in the ECW section.

But no, they won't release the entire ECW roster. I'm pretty sure they'd keep someone with such amazing potential as Snitsky.
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Old 05-13-2007, 03:43 PM   #69
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Snitsky's taking alot of shit lately.
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Old 05-14-2007, 01:11 AM   #70
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Snitsky's taking alot of shit lately.
Snitsky's fine when he's in his environment. The "push" they've got for him is just silly, though. I mean, he was really doing the same thing on Heat, now they've just moved him over to ECW. Oh, and he beat The Sandman instead of useless jobbers.

They should put him in a program, or something.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:43 AM   #71
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Put him in a program with who? Almost everybody's busy.
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Old 05-14-2007, 05:06 PM   #72
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Anyone else see that Alienoid and KK are having their first spat? Never knew they were enemies.

Oh, wait a minute, I take that back. I didn't know they were married.
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Old 05-14-2007, 05:51 PM   #73
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Anyone else see that Alienoid and KK are having their first spat? Never knew they were enemies.

Oh, wait a minute, I take that back. I didn't know they were married.
Actually, we did have another bit of a spat a while ago. So this would be the third one, if you count the time he claimed he was drunk and tried to slip it in my ass without asking.
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Old 05-14-2007, 07:41 PM   #74
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I can't believe you guys are still discussing the departure of Rob Conway!

And Alienoid and KK, I've booked you into a relationship councellor, can you make Saturday at 1:00PM?
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Old 05-14-2007, 09:10 PM   #75
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You guys stop derailing the topic. Just agree to disagree.
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But I only remember him coming to the main roster in '03...
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Old 05-15-2007, 12:30 AM   #77
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Actually, we did have another bit of a spat a while ago.
Spat? I thought you swallowed.
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Old 05-15-2007, 12:31 AM   #78
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I can't believe you guys are still discussing the departure of Rob Conway!
It's Ro-berr. He's French now.
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