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Old 07-01-2007, 02:40 PM   #41
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Brock was getting better on the mic too (considering his voice his hard to take seriously). If Brock would have stayed with WWE, he would be THE GUY in wrestling.
Lesnar's voice could have worked for him, though. Look at Tyson. Sure, people joke about him for being a crazy motherfucker who talks like a girl, but People respected the man himself anyway, and he was fucking dominant. And well known to people, even those who don't know boxing. Lesnar looked like the real deal.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:40 PM   #42
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In fact, the following is from The Smoking Gun:

Brock Lesnar, the World Wrestling Entertainment champion, was once arrested for illegally possessing steroids, though the felony charge against the 26-year-old athlete was dismissed four months after his January 2001 arrest.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:40 PM   #43
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Trips is an ass.
May I ask how? What has he done?

Most of the things people attack him with, like most any other prominent wrestlers, are rumors.

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Benoit was an ass
Everyone that knew Chris said he was a quiet and gentle person.

No one suspected that and no one is sure why he did it.

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If Brock would have stayed with WWE, he would be THE GUY in wrestling.
Absolutely. You could see the WWE had all of their hopes on the guy and you can't blame them. He had the potential to be one of the best.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:41 PM   #44
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If you actually believe Lesnar isn't or at least wasn't on the Juice you're a moron.
I don't believe it because there's zero evidence of it. He didn't look liek Scott Steiner and he's passed tests everywhere.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:42 PM   #45
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But Lesnar was great in the ring. He wasn't a promo machine, but he had some impressive matches and was legit over with the fans. As stated, if he didn't have a hissy fit and quit he would be THE Big Thing in wrestling. "Next Big Thing" wasn't just a nickname, I truly believe it was a fact.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:42 PM   #46
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Brock Lesnar, the World Wrestling Entertainment champion, was once arrested for illegally possessing steroids, though the felony charge against the 26-year-old athlete was dismissed four months after his January 2001 arrest.
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Still doesn't take away from the fact that he was arrested for possessing them, whether they were dismissed or not.

Edit: Actually they apparently weren't roids.

I still believe he was taking them though.
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But he wasn't caught using them.

He could have been holding them for someone or selling them.

He might have very well have taken them at some point but like the whole thing with Benoit, I wasn't there and I don't truly know what happened. So, it be kinda bold of me to judge.
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Still, regardless of roids or not, he could have been one of the best. In fact, relative to the length of his run I would dare put him in my top five best wrestlers of all time.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:51 PM   #50
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Everyone that knew Chris said he was a quiet and gentle person.

No one suspected that and no one is sure why he did it.
And yet, there were public reports of domestic abuse for YEARs in his last relationship, as well as in the one prior.

I mean, it's not my fault that his friends turned a blind eye to what had been presented to the fucking public. It was out there, and anyone who claims that a wife beater isn't a dick is a sick little bastard.

Yeah, sweet guy. Considering wrestling attracts assholes in the first place....
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:52 PM   #51
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But he wasn't caught using them.
He did test positive for HGH products that are illegal. Steroids, no. But that's like saying you're drug free, even though you drink and smoke and do coke.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:57 PM   #54
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To who ever made this thread.

Your arguement might hold up better if Triple H wasn't out hurt for the last six months.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:02 PM   #55
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He did test positive for HGH products that are illegal. Steroids, no. But that's like saying you're drug free, even though you drink and smoke and do coke.
Can I get a source on this?
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:04 PM   #56
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Sources? Do a search on the wrestling forum. It's been brought up and sourced here a few times, and I'm not doing the homework for someone who blindly asserts Lesnar didn't do steroids.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:08 PM   #57
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Well then I won't take the word of a person who insults me and is being ass for no reason.

But I'll tell you this. I don't blindly assert anything. I go by what I read and see and I've never read or saw what you just mentioned.

Not my problem I don't know all like you.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:13 PM   #58
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Well then I won't take the word of a person who insults me and is being ass for no reason.

But I'll tell you this. I don't blindly assert anything. I go by what I read and see and I've never read or saw what you just mentioned.

Not my problem I don't know all like you.
Ummm...Hold on. Did Iinsult you? The only thing I've said is that anyone who believes a wifebeater isn't a dick is a sick little bastard. Do you support wifebeating? If so, yes. Consider yourself insulted. Otherwise, shut the fuck up with your persecution complex.

I'm yet to see any such sources, which is a blind assertion. You ask for sources from me, but don't back up the original assertion. Do your own homework, I even told you how to find it.

And don't pull the "know it all" bullshit. That's just a cop out for people who have no argument, cannot back it up, or cannot handle being wrong. If you really want to go that route, you might as well piss off.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:19 PM   #59
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Having searched under "Brock HGH", "Lesnar HGH", "Brock steroids" and "Lesnar steroids" and finally "lesnar growth", I searched all teh topics that seemed relevant and found no links to any articles about him being proven to have used HGH.
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Old 07-01-2007, 03:21 PM   #60
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And don't pull the "know it all" bullshit. That's just a cop out for people who have no argument, cannot back it up, or cannot handle being wrong. If you really want to go that route, you might as well piss off.
Ironic.
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You know, after reading this entire thing, only one thing comes to mind...

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Having searched under "Brock HGH", "Lesnar HGH", "Brock steroids" and "Lesnar steroids" and finally "lesnar growth", I searched all teh topics that seemed relevant and found no links to any articles about him being proven to have used HGH.
Still not seeing your evidence, either.

Or you addressing several comments made to you. Oh, right. Dismissed them as rumours. Except you're neither a doctor nor any more in the know about trips, so why should your rumours be any more reliable?

Hmmm?
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Still not seeing your evidence, either.

Or you addressing several comments made to you. Oh, right. Dismissed them as rumours. Except you're neither a doctor nor any more in the know about trips, so why should your rumours be any more reliable?

Hmmm?
What do you want me to present evidence on, exactly?

I said I dismiss rumors of politicking. People often say "[insert outcome] was [insert wrestler name]'s politics!" with zero evidence. Anything that benefits Triple H is Triple H or any other big name is the result of them pulling strings. It can't possibly be because of anything else. Hell, some people try to say DDp found success because he lived next to Eric Bischoff and no other reason.

I don't know Trips, sure. So I won't say he's a great human being and I won't say he's an asshole. I don't know him. I don't judge.

As for me needing to be a doctor...why exactly? Don't need years of college to see the reports saying Lesnar tests negative for illegal substances.
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What do you want me to present evidence on, exactly?
We were talking about steroids and Lesnar passing tests on them, so let's start there.

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I said I dismiss rumors of politicking. People often say "[insert outcome] was [insert wrestler name]'s politics!" with zero evidence. Anything that benefits Triple H is Triple H or any other big name is the result of them pulling strings. It can't possibly be because of anything else.
And the steroids information comes from what? You being a doctor?
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As for me needing to be a doctor...why exactly? Don't need years of college to see the reports saying Lesnar tests negative for illegal substances.
Which actually goes back to both of the priors. Yeah.
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This is rather pointless.

A. You started off saying Lesnar used HGH. You provided zero evidence.
B. You're saying I'm not a doctor. That's totally irrelevant to the point he's been negative on every test for an illegal substance.
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This is rather pointless.

A. You started off saying Lesnar used HGH. You provided zero evidence.
B. You're saying I'm not a doctor. That's totally irrelevant to the point he's been negative on every test for an illegal substance.
A. Yes. in response to an assertion you made that he had tested clean for steroids. Burden to you, thus far. Don't have proof? That's fine.

B. Which you haven't proven. Which I haven't found on any reputable site, and which would by your own "rumours" assertion be rather invalid unless you are actually somehow "in the know." Or do you trust the internet selectively only for some things?
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A. Yes. in response to an assertion you made that he had tested clean for steroids. Burden to you, thus far. Don't have proof? That's fine.
Well, 1A. Steroid tests are mandatory and if he didn't pass them, then he wouldn't have been in the NFL or WWE.
1B. http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...=4141&zoneid=3
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The following fighters tested negative for all banned substances at K-1 Dynamite: Brock Lesnar"

Recent sure but it's more evidence than you've shown.

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B. Which you haven't proven. Which I haven't found on any reputable site, and which would by your own "rumours" assertion be rather invalid unless you are actually somehow "in the know." Or do you trust the internet selectively only for some things?
It's simple logic. You are given these tests in the WWE, NFL, MMA. Al the places Brock has been. If he was dirty, it would have been reported. He hasn't been. He's been clean.
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Matt Hardy's been putting on some really good matches lately. It feels weird to type that, seeing as to how I made a thread titled "Fuck Matt Hardy" not too long ago at all, but he's been on fire as of late. I don't know if I could ever buy him as a 'top' guy, but I dunno, it could happen. He could use some mic skills too.

Mr. Thrilla, while I respect your opinion, I would rather go for the Fuck Matt Hardy Thread, instead....

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Well, 1A. Steroid tests are mandatory and if he didn't pass them, then he wouldn't have been in the NFL or WWE.
1B. http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...=4141&zoneid=3
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The following fighters tested negative for all banned substances at K-1 Dynamite: Brock Lesnar"

Recent sure but it's more evidence than you've shown.



It's simple logic. You are given these tests in the WWE, NFL, MMA. Al the places Brock has been. If he was dirty, it would have been reported. He hasn't been. He's been clean.
1A. Which is convenient, but not accurate. You're assuming everyone tested for steroids pre or even post wellness policy would be ejected. There's visual evidence to the contrary.

1B. Which has what to do with his wrestling career? It's not evidence. You're talking about a guy who's currently off the juice, but ast I knew we were discussing wrestling....

Finally, it's not simple logic. As explained prior. I mean, you can claim simple logic, but again, you're making a lot of sloppy assessments.

Beyond that, I've got to ask. Do you think Wifebeating is okay? Either you ducked this entirely, or I missed it. Do you think that the evidence of abuse in the Benoit family makes claims that he was swee tvalid at all? Are you going to continue to support that Benoit was a sweet guy, despite evidence to the contrary? Are you supporting domestic abuse?
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1B. Which has what to do with his wrestling career? It's not evidence. You're talking about a guy who's currently off the juice, but ast I knew we were discussing wrestling....
Last I checked, I've been talking about Brock Lesnar in general. I've brought up the NFL afterall.

It's still one account of him being clean of illegal substances to yoru zero proof to the contrary.

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Only thing I heard about is that she wanted to get a protective order against Chris and then dropped it.

And yes, I do. People who have known and been close to Chris for decades will kinda know something more about him than you or I.

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I never said he was a saint.

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Irony of the steroid topic? TRIPLE H

Ok enough about steroids, a lot of athletes use them to heal quicker so you can't judge for sure if you don't speak of a specific instance.

Back to Triple H, he knows everything you can possibly know about wrestling in WWE, but then again so do a lot of wrestlers. Nick, you can think Triple H is the King of Kings if you want, after all thats what WWE tells you. But most people around here like to think for themselves.

Triple H bashing isn't nearly as common as it used to be because his in ring work has improved. But he has as many bland matches as anyone else, and the ratio of bland matches to great matches is probably around 1 and 10. Triple H has the skills to be the best, but he is on top and he doesn't have to work like he did when he was trying to get on top.

HBK on the other hand has it in his soul to constantly work as hard as he can, just like he did when nobody knew his name and when he wasn't a headlining act. Actually he got better after he got pushed.

This is all opinion really, who is the best? Thats not really a term you can use in pro wrestling and be serious because this is a fake sport therefore making it subjective, just like asking who the best actor is.
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And I've encouraged nothing but since the topic began.

I did not make this topic to say "he's the best no matter what you say." I made it to see who others here thought was as good as him.
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