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Old 07-01-2007, 01:17 PM   #1
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Triple H Is The King Of Kings
On any brand currently, is there anyone who is as good as Triple H overall?

No matter his politicking, the man always delivers. He can be over in the biggest way as either a heel or a face. His mic work is terrific to the point he can have the crowd wanting to rip his guts out or laugh their ass off. He's fun to watch in the ring and has had legendary matches with the biggest and best names in recent memory. He can go technical or hardcore.

When the Attitude Era ended, he carried the WWF. He was the most hated and the best to watch of anyone on the entire roster.

His only rivals are HBK and Undertaker. None of the younger names are even close.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:19 PM   #2
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:21 PM   #3
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You disagree?

Please say why.

He's not good on the mic?

He hasn't had some of the biggest matches with some of the biggest names in wrestling?

He can't be technical or hardcore?

Please address what you think is wrong.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:22 PM   #4
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"His only rivals are HBK and Undertaker. None of the younger names are even close."

In terms of the way they're pushed or overall talent?

If the former, you're right. If the latter...
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:24 PM   #5
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Triple H is better than Taker ever was on the mic.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:26 PM   #6
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I never said he was. You insinuated that they were equal or close.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:30 PM   #7
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They are. They're both former World Champions, surefire Hall Of Famers, had excellent matches. Talented in multiple areas.

I won't argue which legend is the best because that only leads down to "well, look at this match" or "it was because got a push and nothing more" arguments. And since all that is speculative rumoring, it goes nowhere.

And they're both different kinds of wrestlers and were made stars in different eras. Undertaker was back when Hogan was still originally in the WWE. Feuded with different kinds of stars. Triple H was a big name in the post-Attitude Era and feuded with Rock. Austin and Angle.

Their peaks, in my opinion, are in different times and under different circumstances so it's hard to compare.
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Then why ARE you comparing them?
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:34 PM   #9
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Because it's bound to be brought up.

I made a topic about Triple H being possibly the best name on the roster at the moment.

I'm pretty sure someone would have said "hey. Undertaker is there. He's better."

So, I headed them off at the pass by admitting that both Shawn and Taker are very definitely people you could say are superior to Triple H.

But, in my mind, he's better than any of other talent around right now.

And that's the point of the topic: do you agree or disagree with that? Apparently the first person to respond disagrees with something.
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"I won't argue which legend is the best because that only leads down to "well, look at this match" or "it was because got a push and nothing more" arguments. And since all that is speculative rumoring, it goes nowhere."

Except when you go back and see some of the promos and matches in other promotions or even earlier in their WWE careers, then it's not rumors but the way that they're booked.

Eugene, for instance. Great wrestler. Great matches in OVW. You don't see that because he's booked in a retard gimmick.

Booking has more to do with the fact that people aren't getting a chance to shine than anything else.
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"And that's the point of the topic: do you agree or disagree with that? Apparently the first person to respond disagrees with something."

Is he the best around? Arguably. Again, it goes back to booking. If other wrestlers were being pushed and used correctly maybe he wouldn't be the dominating yard stick in WWE. Maybe he would be, granted, but the fact is that he was booked ahead of everyone else and was the center of the show when there were and are tons of talent that could be and should be getting pushes and built for the future. He won't be around forever.

Is he entertaining? Most of the time, yes. Has he had phenomenal matches? Absolutely. Is he the be-all and end-all? Absolutely not.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:42 PM   #12
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I understand that.

Gimmicks and booking are big things in whether or not a superstar goes to the top.

But some wrestlers are booked right and some are booked wrong.

I don't think booking can be said to be against Triple H or Taker. They've both have had some of the biggest matches at the biggest events. Both ahve main evented WrestleMania and both have been lower on the card at WM.

Perhaps Triple H has had some more success than Taker because of booking but I wouldn't say he's better than Taker.

And I'd say Triple H is better than Cena... Cena is being booked like crazy.
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Pretty sure Savio Vega is the be-all-end-all.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:45 PM   #14
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Why are we talking about Undertaker again? I thought this was about Triple H and whether he's the best?

Obviously, if you think Triple H is the King of Kings you obviously hold him higher than any other talent.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:48 PM   #15
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Why are we talking about Undertaker again? I thought this was about Triple H and whether he's the best?
Because the part you quoted and started talking about booking mentioned Taker.
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Instead of waiting for someone's opinion to the contrary, he simply assumed what those opinions would be beforehand. He's a clairvoyant, you see.
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But my last two posts were about Triple H, not Undertaker.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:51 PM   #18
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Instead of waiting for someone's opinion to the contrary, he simply assumed what those opinions would be beforehand. He's a clairvoyant, you see.
No. I'm just not ignorant to other people's opinions.

I've also been on wrestling forums for a long time and I've seen plenty of people say both Undertaker and Shawn are better than Triple H. So, I put that part in there because i didn't want to discuss which Legend is better.

That kinda didn't work.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:52 PM   #19
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But my last two posts were about Triple H, not Undertaker.
When I was responding to the bit about booking and Taker, you hadn't made the second post yet. I only saw it after I had posted that reply.

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Is he the be-all and end-all? Absolutely not.
I agree. Crowning the best wrestler of all time is impossible in my opinion.
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HBK > HHH > Undertaker < Savio Vega
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Even on the current roster I wouldn't call him the best overall performer.
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Shawn Michaels is the go-to guy as far as I'm concerned. If Kurt Angle were still around, I'd have to think a little harder about it.
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Old 07-01-2007, 01:58 PM   #23
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Even on the current roster I wouldn't call him the best overall performer.
That's what I'm trying to find out.

Who would you say IS the best performer and in what area? All of them?
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As far as I'm concerned, currently, the following are the "best" overall and are or can be the leaders of the company.

Triple H
Shawn Michaels
Edge
Punk (Long way away though.)
Kennedy
MVP (Long way away though.)

There is no one best.
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Give Johnny Nitro some mic skills and you've got another contender.
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I agree. That's the only thing really holding him back as far as I'm concerned.

That and his size but I think WWE is starting to realize that mostly big guy rosters are on the way out.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:07 PM   #27
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When you say "any brand" are we talking the tri-brand WWE, or any organization? Because, personally, I would say that Angle outshines him in pretty much every category, if some only a little.

But in the WWE, HHH is actually one of the few wrestlers who matches I will try and pay attention to. The only other wrestlers I care to watch wrestle are Booker T and Edge. I would say that either of those are close contenders, at least for me. Other than that, I just tune in to watch the "entertainment" aspect anymore. Something funny about train wreck storylines to me.
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Oh, if we're going over all in the US wrestling business I'd put Angle at the top very top. Everything about him is better than Triple H.
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Matt Hardy's been putting on some really good matches lately. It feels weird to type that, seeing as to how I made a thread titled "Fuck Matt Hardy" not too long ago at all, but he's been on fire as of late. I don't know if I could ever buy him as a 'top' guy, but I dunno, it could happen. He could use some mic skills too.
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I don't see what the big deal over MVP is. He had great matches with Chris Benoit (which is almost a given). He is just another cocky heel (just like Randy Orton).
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Orton could have been huge if he wasn't a prick and could talk better. I think MVP could be what Orton couldn't be.
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Orton has very little charisma. He only has "the look", "the smirk", and "the heritage".
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:21 PM   #34
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What I like most about MVP is how he reacts to EVERYTHING that happens in the ring. Check out his facial reactions to stuff, he's mint.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:26 PM   #35
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MVP on the roster is money in the bank. He has all the tools he needs to make it big.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:32 PM   #36
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I'm not gonna argue Angle/Triple H. Kurt definitely in ring ability but he doesn't have overall a better list of matches I'd say Plus I'm at a loss as to which is better on the mic. Neither of them thoroughly outclassed the other, though.

Brock has the most raw talent of any of them. Immense strength and speed and he's passed every roid test. Hell, he's stronger and faster than people who do take steroids.

Shame he's such an ass.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:36 PM   #37
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Triple H is viewed as the best less because of his ability and more because of who he knew and who put him over. If Foley hadn't made him look just plain brutal, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. He got a rub by association with some big names, and he got put over for being i nwith the right guys, and later married to the right chick.

Is he good? Yes. Is he strong on the mic? Yes. King of Kings?

Triple H "carrying" the company is the reason that it's spectacular to see 3.5 ratings these days. No Advancement for the undercard, nepotism, etc. And while he wasn't the only force that caused it, his little ego trip did a sizable amout of the damage. Him "carrying" the company dealt mostly with a lot of people making him look good--Some way better than he actually was.

His reign goes to show anyone can look good if a show is booked around them, and everyone is there to make you look good.

Though Trips is good, he is neither the best on the roster, the King of Kings, or worthy of being on the same level of Michaels. Post-injury HBK is the best fucking thing on the roster, bar none. And it's sad that an 80 year old man is the best thing, but let's face it. We've got a bit of a power vaccuum.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:36 PM   #38
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Brock was getting better on the mic too (considering his voice his hard to take seriously). If Brock would have stayed with WWE, he would be THE GUY in wrestling.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:37 PM   #39
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Shame he's such an ass.
Trips is an ass. Benoit was an ass. Angle's an ass. I'll bet you 90% of the roster are asses. I hear Jeff hardy's nice, Foley seemed nice, and I can name a few other people, but they really sem to be the minority.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:39 PM   #40
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Brock has the most raw talent of any of them. Immense strength and speed and he's passed every roid test. Hell, he's stronger and faster than people who do take steroids.
If you actually believe Lesnar isn't or at least wasn't on the Juice you're a moron.
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