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Old 07-10-2007, 02:03 PM   #41
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I guess the country is only filled with White American wrestling fans then
Way to take what I said to the logical extreme. And no, there are some black people that like wrestling as well.

Also, might point was that he doesn't draw here the way you claim he draws in Mexico. I mean seriously, who has bought a ticket or ppv just to see Konnan?
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:04 PM   #42
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Weren't you the guy who was defending this as somehow being different?

BDC talking about drawing aside, he's right.

No, wait. BDC's right about drawing, too. Where's the ratings to demonstrate he's a draw in TNA? So either he's not a draw, or the country is filled with white American wrestling fans, because if the LAtino Market was drawing, it'd show.
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Old 07-10-2007, 03:05 PM   #43
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Way to take what I said to the logical extreme. And no, there are some black people that like wrestling as well.
I hear there are even a few on these boards.
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:38 PM   #44
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I hear there are even a few on these boards.
There are also Mexicans. But they're not here officially.
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There are also Mexicans. But they're not here officially.
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Old 07-11-2007, 04:10 PM   #46
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There are certain wrestlers that you just are never suprised that they would do a shoot interview slandering an old boss or other workers. Konnan is high on said unsprising list.

Plus he is really ugly.
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:04 PM   #47
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as far as contributions to wreslting overall, Konnan is ahead of guys like Mysterio...
I don't know if you're just saying that for shock value but that's just... wow... what!?
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:05 PM   #48
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And I'm not a huge Mysterio mark or anything... that's just a ridiculous statement.
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:10 PM   #49
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Konnan brought all the great WCW cruiserweights to WCW either from AAA or ECW, it was his doing.
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So? He took a ton of guys who didn't really draw much at all (Like it or not, it's a fact.) and brought them from one US based company to another. What's your point? Where are all those great cruiserweights now? Any companies that make money off of the lucha style would be doing so anyway based on Heyman bringing them into ECW in the first place.

As for the big leagues, Eddie and Rey have undeniably broken the barrier of just being some luchador competing in the cruiserweight division.
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:32 PM   #51
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I should clarify that by "guys who didn't really draw much at all" I am saying the luchadores weren't big draws in WCW. Saying that Konnan contributed more to wrestling than Mysterio because he brought them to WCW, you're basing it on WCW's cruiserweight division which people enjoyed just fine and look back on with fine memories but in the end, which of those luchadores that came over actually went on to be a decent draw?
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:39 PM   #52
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contributions to wrestling doesn't just mean inside a wrestling ring.
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For everyone buring Konnan for his LAX ideas....

1 - If it was so easy, why didn't anyone do it before?

2- If it was so easy to do, how bad does that make the various "creative" teams would get paid to think of good ideas and they missed this one?
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What about LaX was different or new enough to meirt either statement?
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I guess the country is only filled with White American wrestling fans then
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:03 AM   #57
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For everyone buring Konnan for his LAX ideas....

1 - If it was so easy, why didn't anyone do it before?
...nobody ever did a Mexican thug gimmick before?
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we're not saying the basic premise of the gimmick was never around before. Yes, Los Boricuas was basically a Hispanic thug gimmick, but how did they do? Yes, there has been thug gimmicks before. But the basic gimmick is not was made LAX. The presentation, the actual backstory to the group, and the in your face angles they shot made them.

To me at least, the LAX gimmick and angle stood out from the pack. Some things they did that really stood out? They had a seperate entrance from everybody else in TNA. Konnan put a "border" around the Spanish Announce Table and declared it was "Latinos Only" The group had thier own personal anouncer introduce them. Thier entrance video and music and the way the screen went back and forth with quick cuts between the video and the LAX fans during the entrance was really cool.

And TNA pushed them to be thugs and didn't really pussify anything about them. They laid guys out and "injured" some guys badly. I loved the spot where Konnan held Chris Harri's hand on a brick wall and I think Homicide picked up the guardrail and rammed it right into it. The Spanish/Latino fans got behind them quick, which made for real cool TV because Florida has a good sized Latino base. You could see LAX shirts in about 50% of the arena. They were real heels in the TNA arena at first, which you'll know is hard to be. They did start getting more cheers then boos, which I expected.

As a wrestling fan in 2007, LAX brought something exciting to the table. It breathed some life into TNA. It was based off real situations and they didn't handicap it, especially in the beginning. TNA is going to miss this on their programming and in their arena.

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we're not saying the basic premise of the gimmick was never around before. Yes, Los Boricuas was basically a Hispanic thug gimmick, but how did they do? Yes, there has been thug gimmicks before. But the basic gimmick is not was made LAX. The presentation, the actual backstory to the group, and the in your face angles they shot made them.

To me at least, the LAX gimmick and angle stood out from the pack. Some things they did that really stood out? They had a seperate entrance from everybody else in TNA. Konnan put a "border" around the Spanish Announce Table and declared it was "Latinos Only" The group had thier own personal anouncer introduce them. Thier entrance video and music and the way the screen went back and forth with quick cuts between the video and the LAX fans during the entrance was really cool.

And TNA pushed them to be thugs and didn't really pussify anything about them. They laid guys out and "injured" some guys badly. I loved the spot where Konnan held Chris Harri's hand on a brick wall and I think Homicide picked up the guardrail and rammed it right into it. The Spanish/Latino fans got behind them quick, which made for real cool TV because Florida has a good sized Latino base. You could see LAX shirts in about 50% of the arena. They were real heels in the TNA arena at first, which you'll know is hard to be. They did start getting more cheers then boos, which I expected.

As a wrestling fan in 2007, LAX brought something exciting to the table. It breathed some life into TNA. It was based off real situations and they didn't handicap it, especially in the beginning. TNA is going to miss this on their programming and in their arena.
OMG! Latinos got over with Mexicians for being gangesters? Konnan is a fucking genious! Only a man of incredible know how and charisma could get a tag team based off of stereotypes over in a local promotion that rarely ventures outside its own arena! Watch out Vince McMahon, Konnan is a free agent now and he is gunning for you.

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I didn't know Florida was Mexico. Yes, they got over with the Latino crowd in Florida. Don't you think it's smart booking with such a big base of Latinos in Florida?

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I didn't know Florida was Mexico. Yes, they got over with the Latino crowd in Florida. Don't you think it's smart booking with such a big base of Latinos in Florida?
No, Florida is part of Cuba, duh. It is common sence booking, it isn't genious.

Fact is, all Konnan does is open doors for other people while closing them for himself. That and he is decent at getting mexican thug gimmicks over. Sounds kinda like a one trick pony too me.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:04 PM   #63
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OMG! Latinos got over in Mexico for being gangesters? Konnan is a fucking genious! Only a man of incredible know how and charisma could get a tag team based off of stereotypes over in a local promotion that rarely ventures outside its own arena! Watch out Vince McMahon, Konnan is a free agent now and he is gunning for you.
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As an aside, LAX is a stupid name. Why would you name a stable of Mexican thugs after a god damn airport?!
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As an aside, LAX is a stupid name. Why would you name a stable of Mexican thugs after a god damn airport?!
Plus, shouldn't it be LAE? The Latin American Exchage? Plus, what the hell are they exchanging anyhow?
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Plus, shouldn't it be LAE? The Latin American Exchage? Plus, what the hell are they exchanging anyhow?
Spelling things with an X is XTREME!!!

Also, they're probably xchanging knitting patterns or some other gay old lady thing.
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I'm getting a little sick of this X thing. Even ECW wasn't XCW.
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Yeah, after Sports Entertainment Xtreme they should have dropped it.

I mean THAT made sense. "We're so XTREME that our initials spell S-E-X! And that's XTREME!

More sense than "Latin American Xchange! Which spells LAX! Which... well that's an airport! And, um, there are Latinos at the airport! Yeah!"
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Yeah, after Sports Entertainment Xtreme they should have dropped it.

I mean THAT made sense. "We're so XTREME that our initials spell S-E-X! And that's XTREME!

More sense than "Latin American Xchange! Which spells LAX! Which... well that's an airport! And, um, there are Latinos at the airport! Yeah!"
Haha, sex isn't extreme. Parents have sex, and nothing parents do is extreme.
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Haha, sex isn't extreme. Parents have sex, and nothing parents do is extreme.
But they said sex! ON TV!!! That's... yeah, that's nothing. God Russo is such a child.
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I think I may be the only one with the heart to tell you two this, but you two are really really bland and corny.
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I think I may be the only one with the heart to tell you two this, but you two are really really bland and corny.
K, because we are trying to make you laugh.
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I think I may be the only one with the heart to tell you two this, but you two are really really bland and corny.
That's what happens when we have to rail against something that is itself bland and corny.
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K, because we are trying to make you laugh.
Usually the point of a joke.
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Usually the point of a joke.
A joke... is... a story with a humorous climax...?
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I think I may be the only one with the heart to tell you two this, but you two are really really bland and corny.
LOL. I'm glad other people see this on this borad and just not me.
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Usually the point of a joke.
I was being sarcastic you jackass. I'm doing this only to amuse myself, and maybe Darth. If you get any amusement of out my post, that is strictly unintentional by-product.

Anyhow, back to discuss. I think I was saying Konnan is a bitter piece of crap that gets over by pretending to be a mexican gangester and really has no reach outside of that.
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I was being sarcastic you jackass. I'm doing this only to amuse myself, and maybe Darth. If you get any amusement of out my post, that is strictly unintentional by-product.
Much like Super V himself.

Ayway, Konnan is pretty innovative. I mean, being a Latin Gangster isn't original, but the specifics...Being exactly like every other Latino Gangster, but throwing shoes and speaking in Spanish! And those are the things that got him over to these unproven numbers of people!
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