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Also, might point was that he doesn't draw here the way you claim he draws in Mexico. I mean seriously, who has bought a ticket or ppv just to see Konnan? |
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There are certain wrestlers that you just are never suprised that they would do a shoot interview slandering an old boss or other workers. Konnan is high on said unsprising list.
Plus he is really ugly. |
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And I'm not a huge Mysterio mark or anything... that's just a ridiculous statement.
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Konnan brought all the great WCW cruiserweights to WCW either from AAA or ECW, it was his doing.
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So? He took a ton of guys who didn't really draw much at all (Like it or not, it's a fact.) and brought them from one US based company to another. What's your point? Where are all those great cruiserweights now? Any companies that make money off of the lucha style would be doing so anyway based on Heyman bringing them into ECW in the first place.
As for the big leagues, Eddie and Rey have undeniably broken the barrier of just being some luchador competing in the cruiserweight division. |
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I should clarify that by "guys who didn't really draw much at all" I am saying the luchadores weren't big draws in WCW. Saying that Konnan contributed more to wrestling than Mysterio because he brought them to WCW, you're basing it on WCW's cruiserweight division which people enjoyed just fine and look back on with fine memories but in the end, which of those luchadores that came over actually went on to be a decent draw?
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contributions to wrestling doesn't just mean inside a wrestling ring.
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For everyone buring Konnan for his LAX ideas....
1 - If it was so easy, why didn't anyone do it before? 2- If it was so easy to do, how bad does that make the various "creative" teams would get paid to think of good ideas and they missed this one? |
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What about LaX was different or new enough to meirt either statement?
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we're not saying the basic premise of the gimmick was never around before. Yes, Los Boricuas was basically a Hispanic thug gimmick, but how did they do? Yes, there has been thug gimmicks before. But the basic gimmick is not was made LAX. The presentation, the actual backstory to the group, and the in your face angles they shot made them.
To me at least, the LAX gimmick and angle stood out from the pack. Some things they did that really stood out? They had a seperate entrance from everybody else in TNA. Konnan put a "border" around the Spanish Announce Table and declared it was "Latinos Only" The group had thier own personal anouncer introduce them. Thier entrance video and music and the way the screen went back and forth with quick cuts between the video and the LAX fans during the entrance was really cool. And TNA pushed them to be thugs and didn't really pussify anything about them. They laid guys out and "injured" some guys badly. I loved the spot where Konnan held Chris Harri's hand on a brick wall and I think Homicide picked up the guardrail and rammed it right into it. The Spanish/Latino fans got behind them quick, which made for real cool TV because Florida has a good sized Latino base. You could see LAX shirts in about 50% of the arena. They were real heels in the TNA arena at first, which you'll know is hard to be. They did start getting more cheers then boos, which I expected. As a wrestling fan in 2007, LAX brought something exciting to the table. It breathed some life into TNA. It was based off real situations and they didn't handicap it, especially in the beginning. TNA is going to miss this on their programming and in their arena. Last edited by Loose Cannon; 07-12-2007 at 10:42 AM. |
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I didn't know Florida was Mexico. Yes, they got over with the Latino crowd in Florida. Don't you think it's smart booking with such a big base of Latinos in Florida?
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Fact is, all Konnan does is open doors for other people while closing them for himself. That and he is decent at getting mexican thug gimmicks over. Sounds kinda like a one trick pony too me. |
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You know, that's the problem with a one-trick pony. You only get one trick! [/The Tick]
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Haha, spoon. [/Phil Ken Sebben]
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As an aside, LAX is a stupid name. Why would you name a stable of Mexican thugs after a god damn airport?!
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Also, they're probably xchanging knitting patterns or some other gay old lady thing. |
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I'm getting a little sick of this X thing. Even ECW wasn't XCW.
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Yeah, after Sports Entertainment Xtreme they should have dropped it.
I mean THAT made sense. "We're so XTREME that our initials spell S-E-X! And that's XTREME! More sense than "Latin American Xchange! Which spells LAX! Which... well that's an airport! And, um, there are Latinos at the airport! Yeah!" |
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I think I may be the only one with the heart to tell you two this, but you two are really really bland and corny.
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Anyhow, back to discuss. I think I was saying Konnan is a bitter piece of crap that gets over by pretending to be a mexican gangester and really has no reach outside of that. |
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Ayway, Konnan is pretty innovative. I mean, being a Latin Gangster isn't original, but the specifics...Being exactly like every other Latino Gangster, but throwing shoes and speaking in Spanish! And those are the things that got him over to these unproven numbers of people! |
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