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Old 12-18-2007, 01:25 PM   #41
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I wasn't referring to you BDC.
No, you were referring to me, and you didn't actually refer to me. Man up brother.
Yes I said the IC belt needed Kennedy, or a guy like him. Meaning the IC title needed someone with a lot of heat who was on the way up to greater things by holding it.

Guess what, Jeff Hardy was over and performing well, but looked as though he wasn't growing any further. Now he's proven that he is, hence he has brought something more to his reign.
At the time, I felt what I said was true. It was also at a point before Kennedy got suspended and he was intended to be selected to be Vinces illegitimte child. This would be the push of a lifetime and would put him as a top heel in the main storyline of Raw, and guess what...the IC title would have benefited greatly from being in that spotlight and on him.
So yea, when I said it was true.

And right now, this thread it true. Look at Jeff Hardy right now, he's IC champion and he just pinned HHH and the WWE champion Orton clean in 24 hours.

Anywho, I like you as a poster but if you feel the need to throw jabs at me, throw them at me directly.

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Old 12-18-2007, 02:15 PM   #42
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I still feel like the IC Title is lacking credibility. Jeff himself has gained tremendous amounts of credibility and respect over the past few months, but the IC Title is still merely a tool that the writers use to have two guys fight each other. There's no story to it. Not like when Austin threw Rock's IC Title into the river back in the late 90's. That's the kind of stuff I'd like to see.

Still, I'm glad that it IS being used, to some degree, to elevate Jeff to the main event.
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Old 12-19-2007, 10:20 AM   #43
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I think if anyone beats JEff Hardy for that they'll get huge heat.
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Old 12-19-2007, 11:34 AM   #44
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You may actually be getting more absurd.
Um, how is that more absurd then me suggesting Funaki win the WWE Championship in a fluke win after he gets drafted from SmackDown! to RAW?
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Old 12-19-2007, 11:40 AM   #45
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As much as he is lacking credibility, I think Santino Marella would make a great Intercontinental Champion right now. Have Carlito help Santino win the title. It's obvious the WWE has plans to stick them together, but instead of having them win the World Tag Team Championship from Hardcore Holly & Cody Rhodes (at least right away), have them help each other out as single wrestlers.

Santino could use the rub of a second IC Title reign, as his first one is still seen as a bit of a joke. Still, a successful reign would help patch that one up, and they'd see it as the first of multiple reigns. Santino is still (I believe) the first wrestler to ever win the IC Title in his WWE debut. Carlito won it in his RAW debut, but Santino won it in his WWE debut.

The reason I suggest Santino with the belt, and not Carlito, is because I think the best glue for keeping Santino and Carlito together is Maria. Carlito wants to bang Maria, he helps out Santino, and suggests that they get a working partnership going. Santino is a little aware of this, but needs Carlito's help. It's a great dynamic between the two, in my opinion.

The IC Title is a great stepping stone, but you can't put it on someone too high. Jeff Hardy is proving that right now, as the IC Title is being forgotten. It was also forgotten when Umaga was representing Vince McMahon against Bobby Lashley. Hell, the ECW Title was forgotten then. It would have been forgotten if Mr. Kennedy won it when he was on his upswing.

Santino Marella for next Intercontinental Champion.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:01 PM   #46
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I've done some half-drunken research, and I've decided to really bite into The One's claim that the US Title is more prestigious than the IC Title. I mean, look at the statistics of the titles.

Title Created:
* The US Title was created in 1975
* The IC Title was created in 1976

The US Title is the senior belt, with almost two years more history.

Most Reigns:
* Ric Flair has won the US Title six times officially
* Chris Jericho has won the IC Title seven times officially

To me, this states that the US Title is harder to win than the IC Title. Also, Ric Flair has been in contention for the US Title since its early days. Chris Jericho was six years old when the IC Title was created.

Longest Reign:
* Lex Luger held the US Title for 523 days
* Honky Tonk Man held the IC Title for 454 days

Generally speaking, longer reigns are associated with prestige. I don't necessarily agree, and I'm not too up-to-date with Luger's reign, but I do know that the Honky Tonk Man would often only retain his title because he lost by disqualification or countout, which meant the title would not change hands. While it says a lot that Honky Tonk losing the title sooner than Luger even with these heelish methods (people were obviously gunning for the belt really intensely), I think conventional wisdom says that the longer reign is better.

Shortest Reign:
* Stone Cold Steve Austin held the US Title for 5 minutes
* Chris Jericho held the IC Title for 10 minutes

Yeah, it's a little inconsistent, but I think having the shortest reign is also a plus, especially when changes occur immediately after the title is won, like in both these scenarios. Both belts were obviously given kinetic energy, but once again, you have the passionate challengers winning the belt quicker. This is kind of an irrelevent one, but I think the US Title also gets the nod, because one of the iconic holders of the IC Title is not also its shortest Champion.

Oldest Champion:
* Terry Funk won the US Title at 56 years and 85 days
* Ric Flair won the IC Title at 56 years and 205 days

This is an easy nudge for the US Title. An older man winning the belt makes it looker weaker. Technically, both wrestlers were the same age in years, although Ric Flair was apparently a little older, which gives the US Title the technical win.

Youngest Champion:
* David Flair won the US Title at 20 years and 121 days
* Jeff Hardy won the IC Title at 23 years and 222 days

This is a clear win for the IC Title, I think. A younger champion makes a title look easier to win, as if it doesn't even take experience. This is one for the IC Title.

Heaviest Champion:
* Big Show won the US Title at an alleged 507lbs
* Rikishi won the IC Title at an alleged 400lbs

This is a win for the US Title, because the bigger the champion is, the bigger the attention towards the belt is. Unfortunately, bigger does occasionally mean better, and having a 500+ pounder making the belt look worthy of holding is a lot more desireable than a 400+ pounder doing the same thing.

Lightest Champion:
* David Flair won the US Title at an alleged 204lbs
* Chyna won the IC Title at an alleged 155lbs

Another win for the US Title, because a larger smallest champion means that it is a lot harder for a guy of smaller size to win the belt (removing variables). 155lbs wrestlers can dream of winning the IC Title, and it being labeled a possibility. You need to gain approximately 50lbs before precident accepts your chances for the US Title, however.

Final Score:
* The US Title finishes with 7 points
* The IC Title finishes with 1 point

There are some areas where I feel that the points can be divided up, but even so, I believe the US Title wins the historical credibility challenge.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:05 PM   #47
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Heaviest Champion:
* Big Show won the US Title at an alleged 507lbs
* Rikishi won the IC Title at an alleged 400lbs
Wait, so how heavy was Big Show supposed to be during his US title reign in WWE?
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:06 PM   #48
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Also, I demand you either add a point to the IC title, or else subtract one from the US, for the simple fact that the IC title has never been held by a man calling himself Hugh G. Rection.
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Old 12-19-2007, 12:30 PM   #49
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Wait, so how heavy was Big Show supposed to be during his US title reign in WWE?
At that stage (WrestleMania XX), I think he might have still been billed as 500lbs. That might have been when they called him 520lbs, though. Apparently he was also a legit 540lbs at one stage, though (think that might have all been at the end of his ECW run, though).

Fair point about Hugh G. Reaction. However the ECW Title was held by Justin Credible, and when the longest running champion in your title's history is someone known as a "Honky Tonk Man," then I'm not sure if you deserve to be rewarded.
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