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Old 03-16-2008, 04:42 PM   #41
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Reckon Matt Hardy will be added to this match? To replace Jeff?

Would add an extra angle to the match which is surely going to suffer from losing Jeff as it stands. I had forgotten MVP was in it... it's got to be between MVP and Kennedy for the win this year. Jericho is the long shot but, as KK said, it wouldn't serve much purpose... plus Jericho would probably end up being the first person ever to cash in a MITB contract and lose.
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Old 03-16-2008, 05:49 PM   #42
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I could get behind the "Other Hardy" getting Jeff's push. I'd still love Jericho winning as long as he wasn't going to get used as midcard fodder. But since he is....
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Thinking about it... if Jericho won and headed to SmackDown to cash it in.... Jericho vs Batista, Jericho vs Undertaker and Jericho vs Edge are all fresh feuds... I don't even know if Jericho has even wrestled Bats or the Taker before. He must have wrestled Edge but I don't remember any kind of program between them.

I'm liking it Shame he's Raw's Intercontinental champion, hey?
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I could get behind the "Other Hardy" getting Jeff's push. I'd still love Jericho winning as long as he wasn't going to get used as midcard fodder. But since he is....
Yeah, and then have Matt traded or drafted if there's a post-WM XXIV draft, to RAW and have him win the WWE title, then have Matt and Jeff feud over the belt for a while once Jeff's back, have him claim that Matt won the title vicariously through Jeff or some BS, and kinda see how it pans out...
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Like the brand split means anything.
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Old 03-16-2008, 08:21 PM   #46
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Yeah, and then have Matt traded or drafted if there's a post-WM XXIV draft, to RAW and have him win the WWE title, then have Matt and Jeff feud over the belt for a while once Jeff's back, have him claim that Matt won the title vicariously through Jeff or some BS, and kinda see how it pans out...
That'd be cool. Which is why it'll never happen.
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The ratings are pretty bad. But I would guess that the PPV will actually do good numbers since alot of wrestling fans only buy the wrestlemania PPV because the other PPVs have been lacking in quality. So instead of buying 15, 12, or 6 PPVs a year, they just order Mania.
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The ratings are pretty bad. But I would guess that the PPV will actually do good numbers since alot of wrestling fans only buy the wrestlemania PPV because the other PPVs have been lacking in quality. So instead of buying 15, 12, or 6 PPVs a year, they just order Mania.
That seems like highly faulty reasoning.
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I don't know. I have a lot of friends who loved wrestling over the years but have grown out of it and stopped watching, yet they will still always watch WrestleMania.

On WrestleMania night, I usually have a house full of people, many of whom won't have watched a moment of wrestling since last years Mania.

Don't underestimate the power of the brand name.
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:56 PM   #50
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This is where Kane Knight uses the "your pathetic example can not correlate to any massive amount of people because that would prove my point wrong" strategy.
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Yeah, a lot of people will just watch WrestleMania, but I don't think that's what KK is arguing against in this circumstance. I think he means that bad numbers being indicative of good PPV buys is faulty. The numbers are bad (as far as WrestleMania lead-in goes), so it would make more sense to assume that the WrestleMania buys will be lower this year than they normally would be.

It all depends on what you define as a "good" number of buys. The WWE have spent so much money on this WrestleMania, and you'd hope TV ratings would reflect that. The amount of PPV buys would also need to corrolate to this. WrestleMania has also grown in buys each year recently. Can they do that again? Is a drop in buys considered "good?" That's what the ratings imply will happen.
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Matt Hardy should be added to the Money in the Bank Ladder Match. I also don't agree with Jericho only being a mid-carder for the rest of his career. The man is main event material, the WWE does know this, they've just done a shit job using him. A MITB win for Jericho would not go to waste.

I'm also willing to bet this will be the best MITB Ladder Match to date.
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Meh. I still prefer it as a 6-man event.
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Meh. I still prefer it as a 6-man event.
I can understand why, but I think the eight-man formula is fine. I think they just need to extend the length of the match to accompany the extra limbs.

7 is an odd and awkward number, though, in my opinion.

As it stands, we only have one guy from SmackDown! in the match. Two guys from ECW, and four guys from RAW. There are more guys from RAW than the other two brands combined. It seems quite uneven.
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This is where Kane Knight uses the "your pathetic example can not correlate to any massive amount of people because that would prove my point wrong" strategy.


Oh, poor James, born a Texan and thus unable to come up with rational arguments.

DaVe was pretty close on the ratings, with a 3.5, a 3.4, and the bottom hour not charting (But it was less than 2.5) There were some pretty nice viewer increases for both hours listed, almost 700K viewers tuning in for the top hour.
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Oh, poor James, born a Texan and thus unable to come up with rational arguments.

DaVe was pretty close on the ratings, with a 3.5, a 3.4, and the bottom hour not charting (But it was less than 2.5) There were some pretty nice viewer increases for both hours listed, almost 700K viewers tuning in for the top hour.
I dunno....seems pretty on-the-money to me.
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I can understand why, but I think the eight-man formula is fine. I think they just need to extend the length of the match to accompany the extra limbs.

7 is an odd and awkward number, though, in my opinion.

As it stands, we only have one guy from SmackDown! in the match. Two guys from ECW, and four guys from RAW. There are more guys from RAW than the other two brands combined. It seems quite uneven.
Of course it seems uneven; it's an odd fucking number.
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Matt Hardy should be added to the Money in the Bank Ladder Match. I also don't agree with Jericho only being a mid-carder for the rest of his career. The man is main event material, the WWE does know this, they've just done a shit job using him. A MITB win for Jericho would not go to waste.

I'm also willing to bet this will be the best MITB Ladder Match to date.
With Triple H running things there is no way Chris Jericho is going to be a main event player. Or if he does become one, it's not going to be on the RAW brand.
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Since when does Triple H have a personal problem with Jericho?
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Kane Knight, I love how you "hate wrestling" and say you hardly watch it, if at all, but you find time to keep up with the ratings and to form opinions (that you present as fact aka The real Stupid Human Trick) about something you admit to hating and not watching due to your displeasure with the current product.
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For a while, apparently. Most recently he was reportedly bitching about Jericho behind his back shortly after his return. That's if you believe reports.

It's not the first I've heard of it, though. I think it goes back a fair way.
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For a while, apparently. Most recently he was reportedly bitching about Jericho behind his back shortly after his return. That's if you believe reports.

It's not the first I've heard of it, though. I think it goes back a fair way.
THen why would they hire Jericho back? Not saying you're wrong, just saying it seems detrimental.
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Kane Knight, I love how you "hate wrestling" and say you hardly watch it, if at all, but you find time to keep up with the ratings and to form opinions (that you present as fact aka The real Stupid Human Trick) about something you admit to hating and not watching due to your displeasure with the current product.
Really? Because I hate that.
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See, personally, I just love that James makes shit up like that, and that you're stupid enough to accept it as fact. I retract the "You're smarter than that" attitude I've been taking. You're clearly not.
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THen why would they hire Jericho back? Not saying you're wrong, just saying it seems detrimental.
Because a lot of people within the WWE wanted to see him return? Stephanie McMahon actually being one of those people.

Why bring Jericho back just to make him IC Champion? The WWE's whole handling of the man since his return has been iffy, at best.
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Old 03-23-2008, 04:26 AM   #68
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But that's my point. Why do it, if you don't do something WITH it?
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Old 03-23-2008, 04:40 AM   #70
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Because a lot of people within the WWE wanted to see him return? Stephanie McMahon actually being one of those people.

Why bring Jericho back just to make him IC Champion? The WWE's whole handling of the man since his return has been iffy, at best.
Jericho knew all that before going in. That's life. And he's accepted it
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Old 03-23-2008, 11:16 AM   #71
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Jericho knew all that before going in. That's life. And he's accepted it
Hell, if Jericho has half a brain cell, he saw it happening beforehand. And if he doesn't, he's been hanging around RVD too much.
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Old 03-25-2008, 06:40 PM   #72
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Last Week's Ratings, the next to last Raw before Wrestlemania, drew hours of 3.3 and 2.8.

Expected Afterlife and James to make some sort of retarded strawman shortly.
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:23 AM   #73
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Whatchu mean?
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:13 PM   #74
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...Well?
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:06 AM   #75
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I'll go ahead and take your lack of response as an apology for your suggestive dig at my name. No hard feelings.
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:34 PM   #76
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Funny how I'm the one looking for an argument, yet you're the one who brings this up again and again.
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Old 03-28-2008, 07:41 AM   #77
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I just didn't know what your comment there meant. That's why I asked: outright confusion. I figured, since you'd avoided answering my question, it was one of your enigmatic attempts at insulting my demeanor. Not lookin' for an argument at all; just an explanation.
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He means explain the ratings which apparently contradict your statements.

At least I think thats what he means, Im never too sure what that fucker means.

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You know, I tend not to take people seriously when they ask me to explain a statement I quantified the last time it came up, or that came up in direct response to something said and used as an example. I keep telling myself, "people can't really be this stupid, can they?"

Especially when said example is in the same thread, so even if one lacks the basic attention span of an eight year old, one can be readily reminded without having to, you know, actually do any burdensome things like think or employ the search function.

I am readily let down on that front.
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He means explain the ratings which apparently contradict your statements.

At least I think thats what he means, Im never too sure what that fucker means.

KK

That's what I thought he meant, too. But the only thing I"ve ever said about ratings is that I don't give a shit about them. Therein lies my confusion on why I would have any remarks about the new numbers.
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