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Old 04-11-2008, 11:24 AM   #41
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Old 04-11-2008, 12:01 PM   #42
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It's been a few weeks now; you'd think they'd have released some kind of information on the buy rate. I mean, they've touted it as the best selling ticket sales for a WrestleMania, but not the PPV numbers. Probably means Floyd Mayweather wasn't as big of a draw as they thought he was going to be, and frankly, I'm not surprised.
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Old 04-11-2008, 12:55 PM   #43
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It's been a few weeks now; you'd think they'd have released some kind of information on the buy rate. I mean, they've touted it as the best selling ticket sales for a WrestleMania, but not the PPV numbers. Probably means Floyd Mayweather wasn't as big of a draw as they thought he was going to be, and frankly, I'm not surprised.
Everything's true except "A few weeks."

However, when a PPV does as expected or better, they usually release results within a few days. It's clear they can tabulate the results fast, at least preliminaries, but if the preliminaries are good, they run with them until the big numbers are in.

My bet, and this is still speculation, is that the preliminary numbers aren't numbers they want to wave around in front of their investors. As such, they're hoping the final results (Which are more accurate) will be better, so we're not seeing anything. Speculation, as I said, but reasonable. After all, Mania cost them a lot more this year, so they need to make more money than last year, and not just by a little.

Mayweather probably was a draw, but WWE were obviously banking on him being a huge draw, and spent a lot on him and promoting him. If that money turns out to not be worth it, if he wasn't as big of a draw as they'd hoped, it will reflect poorly.

But then, I just want Wrestlemania to "fail," whatever that means. I mean, I know outright failure isn't possible, so that can't be it. And WWE will turn a profit on the event, so that can't be it, so I can only think that there MUST be some other definition of "fail" I'm wanting...
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Old 04-11-2008, 02:31 PM   #44
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On a side note, does anyone else kind of expect promoters to say things which are, you know, Bullshit?
The promoter of Wrestlemania 3 says the show did 78,000 and yet the marks still refuse to accept it didn't do 93,000 because WWE says it did.
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The promoter of Wrestlemania 3 says the show did 78,000 and yet the marks still refuse to accept it didn't do 93,000 because WWE says it did.
Yeah, I keep forgetting that idiots will believe blatant lies.

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Old 04-17-2008, 12:11 PM   #46
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Okay, seriously, I just checked their corporate site, and I still don't see an announcement. What the Hell?
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:52 PM   #47
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If they're not telling us, they're most likely hiding something, like the fact that the buyrate was nowhere near their predictions, and the money they wasted on Floyd Mayweather was truly a waste.

The WM 24 buyrate is going to go the way of Chris Benoit, "the F," and "I still remember."
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:56 PM   #49
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I bet WWE's going to come out and say that the $20mil was a work. Because if it's as low as I think it is (considering how long it's taken) they're going to have some explaining to do otherwise.
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Old 04-17-2008, 02:54 PM   #51
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I bet WWE's going to come out and say that the $20mil was a work. Because if it's as low as I think it is (considering how long it's taken) they're going to have some explaining to do otherwise.
There's no doubt it was a work. That was about 20% of their profits last year. Even WWE wouldn't stake that kind of green on a single person in this kind of gamble.
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Old 04-18-2008, 06:22 PM   #52
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The promoter of Wrestlemania 3 says the show did 78,000 and yet the marks still refuse to accept it didn't do 93,000 because WWE says it did.
WWE wasn't a publically traded company then either.
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According to Dave Scherer on PWInsider the buyrate is *RUMORED* (he hasn't heard the actual number yet) to be around 1.1million, about 10% less than last year's.
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Old 04-22-2008, 04:58 PM   #54
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Wonder if that's going to be remotely accurate.
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Old 04-25-2008, 11:22 AM   #55
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But then, I just want Wrestlemania to "fail," whatever that means. I mean, I know outright failure isn't possible, so that can't be it. And WWE will turn a profit on the event, so that can't be it, so I can only think that there MUST be some other definition of "fail" I'm wanting...
Perhaps it a disappointing buyrate. Knowing they spent much more cost wise on the PPV and not having that show in the buyrate?
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Old 04-25-2008, 11:40 AM   #56
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Well, at least now I know how I want it to fail.

Though I think a more accurate statement would be that I predicted that the cost of the event was probably not worth the eventual gain, and that even Wrestlemania had a finite cap.

As a rationalist, and as a scientist, I'm more interested in testing the outcome than specifically being right, because even being wrong will teach me something.
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Old 04-25-2008, 07:28 PM   #57
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According to Dave Scherer on PWInsider the buyrate is *RUMORED* (he hasn't heard the actual number yet) to be around 1.1million, about 10% less than last year's.
- Early numbers indicate that WrestleMania XXIV did approximately 1.1 million buys with 700,000 to 800,000 of them from North America. This will place it at number two on the list as one of the most watched pay-per-view events in WWE history.

That's apparently from Meltzer, though Boone and company reported it, so it could just as well be from the crazy guy on the corner who tells Fox about the "Inside Job."
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Old 05-01-2008, 04:49 PM   #58
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Okay, it's been a month now, and nothing on WWE's corporate site.

No official numbers. Scherer and Meltzer both have reported similar preliminary numbers, but those are all we have to go on right now.

This is odd, and really does make me think Mania didn't do as well as predicted. Though I'm still looking for real numbers, since I'd rather not just assume they did poorly.
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Assuming 1.1 that is a stinging disappointment (IMO) You spent all the money to bring in Mayweather, you're obviously looking for mainstream attention, and I don't mean from ESPN and whatnot, I'm referring to buys and fans - consider, wasn't last year was 1.25?

Then again, if you were a casual interested party and paid for WM looking to see something resembling semi legit with Mayweather, you walked away pissed anyways
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Sadly, I think this'll reflect more on Mayweather, even though it should reflect on the WWE. I have no doubt that Mayweather's a draw, considering his record-setting PPVs. But WWE's a joke, and Mayweather's fans aren't necessarily going to follow him to Wrestlemania.

I'm sure some did, but it's a step down from real fighting to fake fighting. There's a lot of similarity between sports and sports entertainment, but really.
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I'm gonna make a couple of assumptions here:

1. That everyone who was booked for WM 23 was also booked for WM24, so in terms of salary alone, WWE spent about the same. Off the top of my head, I don't think I'm missing anyone. Also assuming no one is making drastically less than they were the previous year.

2. The use of venue cost as much if not more than WM 24. Figure all of the special tools and lights needs for an outdoor event. All the items needed to waterproof said tools and lights and protect people in case of rain (which was in the forecast) Also consider the mass amounts of fireworks that would eventually rain down on fans, that amount of fireworks not being possible at an indoor event.

3. At that point, if your costs don't already exceed WM 23, bringing in Mayweather definitely brings it over the top. I'm not going to use 20 mil, and I don't have an actual number, so insert whatever number you'd feel most comfortable with.

Subtract 1.1 million buys, down from the previous year's 1.25

If that's not the definition of failure you're looking for, I'm not entirely sure what is
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it was a failure because Cena didn't win
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:21 PM   #68
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Meh, they clearly made the buyrate announcement disappear like they do some of their storylines. its been "Vince'd".
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Old 05-03-2008, 11:25 PM   #69
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Why, did it choke out its wife and kids?

The good news is the quarterly report's coming up, and it should include buyrate info.
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:14 AM   #70
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It really was a sub-par showing, and the card didn't help in terms of drawing a buyrate. The only real money match was Flair vs. HBK, and to most fans, that's not enough to throw down $50 and a whole Sunday afternoon for WrestleMania.

I mean, I was there in the Citrus Bowl and even I realized how shitty the card was, despite all of the fanfare and craziness of being there live. I remember watching Cena vs. Rhyno at some house show in 2002, and that was a better match than most of what I saw at WrestleMania 24.

The main events weren't spectacular looking on paper. Fans are used to Rock vs. Austin, or Rock vs. Hogan, Jericho vs. HBK, Benoit winning the title - big moment stuff like that. There was no big moment match at WM besides Flair retiring, which we all knew was going to happen, and Undertaker losing his streak, which we all knew wasn't going to happen. It was a highly, highly predictable WrestleMania showing, and didn't really feel like the "showcase of the immortals," but more like "the show between No Way Out and Backlash."

A lesser buyrate from WM23 is not a shock.
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Old 05-04-2008, 11:19 AM   #71
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Also, as far as Mayweather goes, it's like what KK said before - he draws huge in his own territory of boxing, but that doesn't neccesarily mean all of those fans will follow him over to the "fake sport" of pro wrestling.

It's like "Rocky 3." If the whole film was about his build-up to fighting Thunderlips in that Wrestler vs. Boxer match, and that was the finale for the third act, it would have drawn shit, been shit, and probably would've been the end of the franchise. The reason being: it's hokey and it's fake. Rocky vs. Clubber Lang is a REAL boxing fight and a rightful and true drawing main event.

So, what am I saying with this? I'm saying that bringing in Floyd Mayweather was a waste of money and a waste of airtime.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:44 AM   #72
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Well I don't know if anyone has pointed this out but I was looking at the Business drivers and it looks like that report puts the figure between 1m and 1.1m (preliminary estimates) which compares to between 1.2m and 1.3m in 2007 and between 900k and 1m in 2006. No Way out looks to have done a lot better than the last few years though...

I'm going to agree that Mayweather didn't do alot. Haven't watched WWE in a while so don't know what the 'draws' are for most of their events nowadays. They done something decent last year at Wrestlemania though and no idea what happened two years ago.

From the time it seemedthat Americans didn't know much about Mayweather compared to the rest of us in the world, while Trump is more well known in America (the Apprentice?) whereas apart from a businessman (if that) the rest of us in the world wouldn't know a lot about him.

My conclusion: concentrate on getting a bigger US name in terms of popularity. Not exactly rocket science but y'know.
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Old 05-28-2008, 12:19 PM   #73
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I'm sure WWE would have preferred De La Hoya, who I believe would have been a legit draw... In fact, I'm sure the only reason Mayweather was even an option was because he's set to face De La Hoya and they were trying to ride that wave. Unfortunately, without De La Hoya, Mayweather clearly isn't a wrestling draw.

But I'll say again that Mayweather did a great job at taking the beating and I wouldn't mind seeing him again.
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:19 PM   #74
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Actually, I'm betting they saw the roll he was on, saw the bank from his record-setting fight, and then saw dollar signs. That simple.
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