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View Poll Results: Who is the better wrestler?
Hulk Hogan 15 31.25%
John Cena 24 50.00%
Draw 9 18.75%
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Old 04-20-2008, 12:43 PM   #41
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Exactly. If Cena carries four brooms to credible matches he deserves to go in.

Which is not the way I phrased it. iytbvuijmpkolbiyrctvbjlkbgouvkjlbn;lihvb j
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Old 04-20-2008, 12:47 PM   #42
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I am too much of a man to edit my way out of the situation I created. I'm pretty sure Cena will win here, and that he will not advance to the HOF, unless he spends the next four rounds going up against Hulk Hogan at Halloween Havoc '99.
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Old 04-20-2008, 01:27 PM   #43
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Old 04-20-2008, 01:41 PM   #44
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Old 04-20-2008, 01:52 PM   #45
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Well 98 was the Warrior match, and that's one of the biggest abortions ever
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Old 04-20-2008, 02:01 PM   #46
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Cena gets my vote, hands-down.

Sure, the whole Superman-push is annoying, but that seems to be more on WWE's side of things than Cena himself. He's handy on the mic, and can put on good, even excellent, matches without needing someone to carry him. Cena has the chops to be the company-carrying star they want him to be, but he's just been booked the wrong way for too long.

As for Hogan...well, I think Destor pretty much summed up what I think of him. Not to mention the guy makes the Kliq look like Terry Funk when it comes to putting folks over.
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Cena.

Cena can go in the ring...or well he used to be able to. Hogan could turn it on in Japan...and thats about it.

Cena from what everyone says backstage is a great guy, Hogan.....yeah.

Plus Hogan helped be apart of the Starrcade 97 fiasco. A guy is chasing you for over a year, be afraid of him when he gets in the ring.
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Old 04-20-2008, 02:27 PM   #48
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There is nothing wrong with John Cena, it's just how he is booked. Naturally, he takes the brunt of this because it's him whos shoved down our throats, so the fans resent him.
Cena is a fine worker, and a hard worker, and has a great attitude. He has above average skills on the mic and the charisma department and deserves to be a main event player and a champion. I can't deny that. It's just that he doesnt, hell I dont know if anyone does, deserve to be pushed the way he is. I understand why it's done, but I don't have to like it and the overexposure turns me off to his work as a result. Fans resent him for something hes not doing, understandably so. A shame really.
I also have no problem with his current capacity. We'll see how long that lasts.

Hogan on the other hand, is a disgrace
Edge is a fine worker, Triple H is a fine worker, CM Punk is a fine worker, John Cena is average. Hard worker, makes a shed load of $$$, charismatic, great company guy, definately but fine worker, far from it. He has some of the most piss poor, sloppy looking offense in the company and he simply doesn't have enough quality matches. He has his moments though.
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Old 04-20-2008, 02:54 PM   #49
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Vote goes to Cena. He's at least capable of occasionally putting on a good match.
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Old 04-20-2008, 03:37 PM   #50
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Edge is a fine worker, Triple H is a fine worker, CM Punk is a fine worker, John Cena is average. Hard worker, makes a shed load of $$$, charismatic, great company guy, definately but fine worker, far from it. He has some of the most piss poor, sloppy looking offense in the company and he simply doesn't have enough quality matches. He has his moments though.
Edge is a great worker. Triple H is a great worker. CM Punk is a great worker. John Cena is a fine worker.

I guess I had a different definition of fine. By fine, I mean good. Not great, but not poor. I'd say he's above average, with average being your run of the mill wrestler
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Old 04-20-2008, 05:18 PM   #51
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lol

Hulk Hogan for the win. The guy was over as fuck and he made boatloads of money. That is what the biz is about. Get over and get paid. As bad as some of his matches may have been, the 98 match with warrior alread being mentioned, he always made the crowd go nuts.

WM 18 is a great example of this, hogan was older than fuck, was supposed to be a heel, yet when hogan came out and did his shit they loved it. Cena will never be able to do that.
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Old 04-20-2008, 05:23 PM   #52
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WM 18 is a great example of this, hogan was older than fuck, was supposed to be a heel, yet when hogan came out and did his shit they loved it. Cena will never be able to do that.
So he's awesome because he did a bad job of being a heel?

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Old 04-20-2008, 05:42 PM   #53
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Old 04-20-2008, 07:50 PM   #54
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I don't care at all. I thought this was a joke.
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Old 04-20-2008, 08:16 PM   #55
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Old 04-20-2008, 10:58 PM   #57
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Hulk Hogan for the win. The guy was over as fuck and he made boatloads of money. That is what the biz is about. Get over and get paid.
thank you for saying this because I swear I was beginning to think I was the only one thinking it
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:01 PM   #58
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Wasn't Austin over? Didn't Austin make boatloads of money?
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:07 PM   #59
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:57 AM   #60
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People have been over and made "buttloads of money" with out destroying the entire industry. He made butt loads for WCW didn't he? Oh wait...
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:34 AM   #61
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Hogan was no Ric Flair in the ring, but he was the reason why the WWE boomed in the 80's and is still the most recognizable wrestler in the world. And for all the shit he gets from the IWC, a lot of which is well deserved, he wasn't the worst wrestler to ever have laced up a pair of boots. He at least knew how to work a crowd and had some knowledge of basic ring psychology, which John Cena has no idea of. Hogan carried a company on his back, Cena has nearly destroyed the WWE these last few years.
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:51 AM   #62
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And Hogan destroyed the ENTIRE INDUSTRY in the same time. They're highly comparable, except Hogan only helped one company and Cena only hurt one company. Basically yo all keep saying him putting one company over makes up fo all the ones he put out then, and still makes it impossible for to this day.

See Hogan not just no Ric Flair in the ring, he's no Ric Flair out of it either. If you take all the money Hogan made for the Indusrty and subtracted all the money the indusrty could've made hogan's going to come out so far in the red that hes a joke. Ric Flair? Ric Flair made everyone money. All across the world in every promotion he went he drew big money. He went all across the nation making stars, and when he left those places drew better mone because of him working their, elevating their talent.

Flair helped the INDUSTRY. Hogan helped McMahon. That's it. Turner didn't come out ANY better because of Hogan, only Vince. One guy. Flair made countless promoters money time and time again, but the importantthing is he allowed the to make money WITH OUT HIM. That a guy helpng the buisness. Not Hogan.
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Hulkamania was an amazing thing at the time, but Vince was the orchestrator and I feel eventually someone would have been plugged in. I give Hogan credit where credit's due, but I feel he was a pawn to a vision, and he's been exploiting the fringe benefits ever since
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Yeah jeritron and destor have both said all my thoughts on this matter, though i hate cena just as much for different reasons. So had to vote draw.
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Old 04-21-2008, 07:50 AM   #65
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Wow...Edge vs. Benoit was so easy for me. But this? I... I have no idea who sucks less.
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Just vote draw, they both suck equally.(thank fuck for that option, btw, otherwise i would be stuck for ages deciding who i hate more)
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But what's the point of voting if you're vote is Draw? That's putting your foot down firmly on the issue of "I don't know".
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Old 04-21-2008, 08:22 AM   #68
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Voted Hogan

I'm sorry, I don't believe that if McMahon and Hogan didn't do what they did that someone else wouldn't have come along and done exactly the same thing. There was money to be made so it was done. Also, what kind of a wrestling industry would there have been without it?

I don't think we'd be here talking about anything interesting because nothing would have really happened.
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Fuck it. Cena still has time to change; Hogan does not. Ere go, Cena has hypothetical superiority.
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I'm sorry, I don't believe that if McMahon and Hogan didn't do what they did that someone else wouldn't have come along and done exactly the same thing. There was money to be made so it was done. Also, what kind of a wrestling industry would there have been without it?

I don't think we'd be here talking about anything interesting because nothing would have really happened.
Yeah, you're right. In those 80 years before Hogan nothing of merit happend, and thus in the 30 years since him nothing would ave happended. Please. Wrestling was doing big buisness and hot angles well before him.

As far as asing what kind of industry there would be with out him...dude. Wreslting was around long before him, what the hell do you mean. There ws more of an idustry then then there is now. there were more promoters and wrestlers and on average they were making more money. FACT.

As far as someone else coming along had they not, that's irrelevent. They DID come along, and they DID kill any hope of making money in pro-wrestling with out being under Vince McMahon. I'm not interested in what could have been but what actually happend.
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Not to play semantics, but "Fact" doesn't mean "Truth". If I say "Blueberries are pink", it's a fact. It's just not a true fact. The only reason I bring it up, is that if I argue exactly counter to your point -- which I totally agree with, by the way -- I could still emphasize it by saying "FACT" at the end, regardless of the FACT that's it's a hot-air concept.

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Yeah, you're right. In those 80 years before Hogan nothing of merit happend, and thus in the 30 years since him nothing would ave happended. Please. Wrestling was doing big buisness and hot angles well before him.

As far as asing what kind of industry there would be with out him...dude. Wreslting was around long before him, what the hell do you mean. There ws more of an idustry then then there is now. there were more promoters and wrestlers and on average they were making more money. FACT.

As far as someone else coming along had they not, that's irrelevent. They DID come along, and they DID kill any hope of making money in pro-wrestling with out being under Vince McMahon. I'm not interested in what could have been but what actually happend.
It couldn't have been such a good and strong industry if it took one promoter to break away from the norm who was able to buy out all the competition leaving the old territory system for dead.

I know old romantics love the terrirtory system but seriously the wrestling business moved on with the times what with syndicated national television deals and PPV. These promoters who were making so much money obviously missed a step and fell by the wayside for a reason.

When I was asking what kind of industry there would be now I was hinting to the fact that it would be antiquated, behind the times and not as global as it is now. I think it's progressed for the better, not many people would give a shit otherwise.

WWF lead to WCW stepping up and even ECW was a revolt against the norm, I just don't see how the way things panned out that it was all so bad.
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It wasn't bad for tv audiences and stuff, I think he just means the industry as a whole and people working outside the world of national television and saturday morning iconary
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yea, I agree wrestling is dead. It's gone, buried and will never be back. The WWF is a sports entertainment company that happens to have a wrestling program. I agree that's it's a tough job if you want to make any money these days and I could see why Destor's pissed because that's his profession. But McMahon did what any businessman in his right mind would do with the product he had. He made the most out of it. I'm getting way of track here from the thread, but wrestling is dead to me and I've come to accept that it is what it is now as far as the show. It's a shit show, but what can you do.
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wrestling isn't dead. Thre's still a lot of great wrestling and wrestlers, in and out of the WWE. It's just that WWE dispenses quality matches at their own discretion and rate, as to preserve the hunger for them. It's a business move
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