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Old 05-01-2008, 06:38 AM   #41
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I've never really said you hate Jericho. I once accused you of flip-flopping on the Jericho issue.
Noid Lies again.
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:54 AM   #42
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Some guys are just made to be mid carders. There's nothing wrong with it.
Well. Wrestling is a buisness and therefore contains competition. Midcard talent should be striving to become better, and ascend to Main Event status. Theoretically, people should be trying to get better, and then getting better at what they do and becoming good at what they suck at. None of the people who are at the cusp have done that. Benjamin still fucks up in weird ways (also charisma), Morrison has failed to capture the fans like he theoretically could, Jericho hasn't been trying, Jeff keeps putting himself at risk with drugs, Matt still can't really do anything with his promos. Its not that they can't become better, or that they never will. It's that they haven't. So they don't really deserve to be main eventers.

And to be more complete, Randy hasn't changed since his shitting in bags/rest hold/wooden promos days.
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:56 AM   #43
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For one who posts under the name The Optimist thats a pretty Pessimistic veiw
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Yeah, if I'm such an optimist I should just ignore reality.

Honestly, I'd get it changed but I don't know who to talk to about that, if anyone.
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Yeah, if I'm such an optimist I should just ignore reality.

It would be required. As much as I apprciate people trying to force a positive perspective, you have to be tripping or handicapped to do it.
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Its so difficult to be a main eventer.

A lot of guys have talent, but would I trust them to draw me money? Probably not.

A guy like Matt Hardy is like that. I think he's a very good worker, understands the business, but I dont think he has the charisma to hold down a main event spot.

Jeff on the other hand, is less polished, and way more unreliable, but for whatever reason he really connects with the fans. So I would say he should be up there.

I only really watch the occasional episode of RAW these days, so I cant comments much on guys like CM Punk or John Morrison, and this Fetus guy I have never seen, dont know what he even looks like lol.

I do think Kennedy could be a top guy. He's got this arrogance about himself that really comes across well on TV.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:25 AM   #49
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Noid Lies again.
I'm not a liar, KK. I never once accused you of disliking Jericho. I did accuse you of being inconsistent on the whole "save.us" issue. I can't exactly remember, because your posts on the issue didn't really interest me in the slightest, but I believe you made fun of people for making assumptions about the videos' "clues" and then criticized Jericho when the ratings didn't go up because of another "clue" in the video. That's as far as I ever touched on the subject.

KK goes to the straw-man and empty accusations again. This would actually make you the liar.

Also, man, please, "lies" should not have a capital. It just irks me when you do it because you claim you want to be a writer or something. I know you'll reply with bullshit like "Wow. You've Got nothing so you had to go to that Non-linear Approach," but that's just a dumb fucking defense for sloppiness. Everyone makes mistakes, but come on, man. For someone as "smart" as you seem to think you are, constantly condescending, you are pretty ignorant of a craft you apparently want to succeed in.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:34 AM   #50
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I did accuse you of being inconsistent on the whole "save.us" issue.

Except, of course, I wasn't. When it was demonstrated that what you claimed I said was not what I was saying (And all it took was reading my posts), you continued to assert a lie.

But please, go to the typos.

I know you're jealous that I actually make money as a journalist while nobody even gives your poorly strung together shit a second thought, but come on. It looks petty, even for you.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:35 AM   #51
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(And who's making empty accusations? My stance on Jericho was remarkably clear, and nothing you said was demonstrable. That's pretty empty...Hypocrite)
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Its so difficult to be a main eventer.

A lot of guys have talent, but would I trust them to draw me money? Probably not.

A guy like Matt Hardy is like that. I think he's a very good worker, understands the business, but I dont think he has the charisma to hold down a main event spot.

Jeff on the other hand, is less polished, and way more unreliable, but for whatever reason he really connects with the fans. So I would say he should be up there.
I don't know about that, actually. It's good to see you making an appearance, by the way.

Matt Hardy's "Sensei of Mattitude" run really helped him overtake Jeff Hardy in almost every area. He was the better wrestler, the more reliable one, better on the mic, and if I remember, everyone loved the gimmick. It was good enough that the WWE moved Matt to RAW, turned him face, and fucked it up. I mean, if the WWE fucks it up, you know it's a good thing.

Also, there was that 2005 thing I mentioned, when Matt Hardy was the hottest topic in pro-wrestling. It's not like he only gets lukewarm reactions, either. The man gets far better reactions than he should, given how much the WWE has beaten him down on occasion. I mean, Jeff was a fireball earlier this year, and Matt isn't at that stage right now, but given some momentum and the WWE not fucking up a hot storyline with him, I don't see why he couldn't become the same.

I get what you're saying about Jeff Hardy, though. He was the "wackier" of the two, and his flipping off shit and odd style earned him a fan-base for life, and higher pitched squeals when he removes his shirt. I don't think there is a very large gap of popularity between the two, though.

Jeff gets in front because he flipped off more shit, and that gets people over. Then he fucks up, and the good brother again becomes the star pupil, and does really well for himself, until something fucks him up, and then Jeff flips off more shit.
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I don't know about that, actually. It's good to see you making an appearance, by the way.

Matt Hardy's "Sensei of Mattitude" run really helped him overtake Jeff Hardy in almost every area. He was the better wrestler, the more reliable one, better on the mic, and if I remember, everyone loved the gimmick. It was good enough that the WWE moved Matt to RAW, turned him face, and fucked it up. I mean, if the WWE fucks it up, you know it's a good thing.

Also, there was that 2005 thing I mentioned, when Matt Hardy was the hottest topic in pro-wrestling. It's not like he only gets lukewarm reactions, either. The man gets far better reactions than he should, given how much the WWE has beaten him down on occasion. I mean, Jeff was a fireball earlier this year, and Matt isn't at that stage right now, but given some momentum and the WWE not fucking up a hot storyline with him, I don't see why he couldn't become the same.

I get what you're saying about Jeff Hardy, though. He was the "wackier" of the two, and his flipping off shit and odd style earned him a fan-base for life, and higher pitched squeals when he removes his shirt. I don't think there is a very large gap of popularity between the two, though.

Jeff gets in front because he flipped off more shit, and that gets people over. Then he fucks up, and the good brother again becomes the star pupil, and does really well for himself, until something fucks him up, and then Jeff flips off more shit.

Dont get me wrong, I like Matt, there's just something about him that doesnt work for me.

I remember after they decided to go forward with the Edge program, I thought he might have a ton of steam behind him. And even though the WWE did very little to take advantage of the sympathy he had, he still came across to me as #2 against Edge. And I'm not even talking about who got the better of matches and stuff, I just thought Edge did his job better than Matt.

Now, I hear a lot of good things about the program with him and MVP, but I havent seen any of it to say one way or the other. I can say though, that when I see MVP, I see another guy who has the star aura, and I could see him headlining.

Its wierd, some guys are just not cut out to be headliners. They are great workers, great at everything they do, but they cant get over that last hurdle. Thats how I personally see Matt.
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Matt could have been huge coming out of that program. Whether you liked it or not, people ate it up.
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Old 05-02-2008, 05:23 AM   #56
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Except, of course, I wasn't. When it was demonstrated that what you claimed I said was not what I was saying (And all it took was reading my posts), you continued to assert a lie.

But please, go to the typos.

I know you're jealous that I actually make money as a journalist while nobody even gives your poorly strung together shit a second thought, but come on. It looks petty, even for you.
I honestly had no clue you were a journalist? How could I be jealous? KK lies again.

I also love the way people tout off that they are a journalist likes it actually means something. My ex-girlfriend makes a living as a journalist. She's not a "writer." She struggles to string affluent sentences together. She's not even an intellectual. She worked hard to get into a different field, ended up in journalism because it was the last "smart thing" left, and she got programmed to meet the standards of her field. Contrary to your self-congratulatory tone, being a journalist in and of itself means nothing. I've never read or heard of anything you've ever written, and probably never will. Your importance as a journalist rests only between your own ears.

You misread the reactions many of the people on this board had to Jericho not returning sooner. They understood that Jericho had to get into ring shape, they understood that the WWE was milking it, and that they would eventually get Jericho on their television screens. Markish disappointment was voiced when theories were formulated from the clues in the video, and they didn't mark the date.

You're not very good at reading people, I know (your assumptions made about me are quite off, and really create an irony that you will never know -- but how could you?), but you were missing both the people around here's perspective, and the WWE's perspective. The WWE were teasing the waters with Jericho. They wanted people to think he was returning at Cyber Sunday, and the like. They likely slipped those clues in there on purpose, with the intention of them being read like that. Your accusations that people set themselves up for disappointment, and that people only have themselves to blame for playfully getting involved in the angle, is naive.

Maybe I misread you. Maybe that's because you're a crappy writer. But I saw you shitting over the return of Jericho from a drawing standpoint because it was apparently "obvious" he was returning that week. Any good journalist would know how to put themselves in the shoes of other people, and look at the community's approach. Some of them had no clue it was Jericho, and a lot didn't have a clue how to take the information they were being presented. Stupid? Irrelevant. As a journalist you should know most people are stupid, and that a lot of journalists are stupid. My nephew, not the brightest spark, but savvy to the goings-on of the WWE, was surprised and excited when Jericho showed up. I'm not arguing whether or not Chris Jericho is a draw, I'm just saying that you judging Jericho's drawing power based solely on his return night, and assuming that everyone who was going to find out about his return knew about it at that point, was absurd. And consequently, that you criticising people for finding clues that were false (mostly out of good fun), and then claiming the clue before Jericho's return to be conclusive of absolute certainty inconclusive.

Also, it is typical for someone to defend their misuse of the English language as a "typo." Journalists I know can't write for shit. They know the structure an article should take, and they have the style hammered into their brain, but they were never forced to learn how to actually write, so the substance of their writing extends no further than what a doctor could produce.

It's one thing to label yourself a journalist, but it is another to label yourself a writer. Some can do both, but I doubt you are in that category. Fuck, I doubt you are even a good journalist. If you are successful, my apologies. But at last we have an answer to the question of where the forced wit and humour comes from.

By the way, nice straw-man tactic by comparing your outside career to my TPWW wasted writings, whilst being completely ignorant of my life outside this here fine establishment.
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Dont get me wrong, I like Matt, there's just something about him that doesnt work for me.

I remember after they decided to go forward with the Edge program, I thought he might have a ton of steam behind him. And even though the WWE did very little to take advantage of the sympathy he had, he still came across to me as #2 against Edge. And I'm not even talking about who got the better of matches and stuff, I just thought Edge did his job better than Matt.

Now, I hear a lot of good things about the program with him and MVP, but I havent seen any of it to say one way or the other. I can say though, that when I see MVP, I see another guy who has the star aura, and I could see him headlining.

Its wierd, some guys are just not cut out to be headliners. They are great workers, great at everything they do, but they cant get over that last hurdle. Thats how I personally see Matt.
That's fair enough, but I disagree with your interpretation. I think Matt Hardy looked like the star until the WWE squashed all his momentum at Summerslam. It was honestly one of the shittiest booking decisions the WWE could have made in the situation. Matt Hardy should have pummeled Edge into a pulp, getting himself disqualified, but getting the satisfying moral victory, and as a lead-up to the Steel Cage Match between the two.

You did make mention of that WWE not taking true advantage of the situation, but I think that is the only reason it didn't work. Matt Hardy was a sensation at the time, and if capitilsed on, it could have been a lot more successful.

I do get what you mean about Matt seeming like a mid-carder, though. I don't think Hardy should be limited, but I can understand how one would look at it that way. He's a former tag team guy, he doesn't have an epic frame to him, and he's not a genius on the mic. He's grown from nothing, and it's expected that most guys only grow so far.
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I've referred to myself as a journalist several times, a few in direct response to you. Yeah, it's so unfathomable that I would actually expect you to know what you're talking about after you've been told.

But this goes to the heart of an argument BDC and I have had over the past couple of days. He thinks you're too stupid to actually lie, and that the falsehoods you spout are because you're not bright enough to understand. I think, on the other hand, that you lie with deliberate intent.

So perhaps you can settle this for us: Are you lying, or just too stupid to understand the facts which are presented?
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