Official Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots thead

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney That pack also has a 2nd controller (SIXAXIS, not Dualshock 3) and comes in a gun metal grey colour. Europe is confirmed to not have this bundle on MGS4 launch. Also, you're right, it wouldn't fit on a disc, and Konami would never resort to making a game spanning multiple discs... WAIT A FUCKING SECOND! THAT BOX SAYS 2 DISCS! UN-BE-FUCKING-LEIVABLE!

No one ever said they wouldn't make a multi-disc game. Imagine how MANY discs they would have to put this game on for the 360 if it came out. I imagine at LEAST 4. Not saying they wouldn't do this, but it's highly doubtful that they would be able to without a ton of compression.

The bundle you're talking about is a different one from what I'm talking about. The one you mention was a LE one that was only available on Konami's web site. The one I speak of was announced MONTHS ago and is going to be in stores when the game comes out.

[jcmoorehead]

As I already said in a previous post. Most of that size will most likely come from Uncompressed Audio. Compress that and you shave off a hell of a lot of space there. Compress Texture files you take off a lot more you could easily get it down to about 2 DL DVDs.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Originally Posted by darkpower No one ever said they wouldn't make a multi-disc game. Imagine how MANY discs they would have to put this game on for the 360 if it came out. I imagine at LEAST 4. Not saying they wouldn't do this, but it's highly doubtful that they would be able to without a ton of compression. The bundle you're talking about is a different one from what I'm talking about. The one you mention was a LE one that was only available on Konami's web site. The one I speak of was announced MONTHS ago and is going to be in stores when the game comes out.

Lost Oddeysey is 4 discs

As for the bundle, you're right. The one you're talking about though does have 2 controllers. One Dualshock, one SIXAXIS.

[DS]

I doubt it's uncompressed audio. There are 90 minute cut-scenes in this game. And that's at one time. You can pause and skip them but a lot of this, like every other MGS game, will be cutscene animation.

[Requiem]

Yeah, MGS is known for its movie-like cut-scenes that last forever. Really doubt those discs are full of uncompressed audio/textures.

[Xero]

Aside from scripting, how much could game-rendered cut scenes possibly take up?

Unless they're HD videos it makes no sense for it to approach the 50Gig mark even with the enormous cut scenes. Something doesn't add up unless it IS uncompressed audio and textures.

[Requiem]

It was revealed that the game will have a total of 9 hours worth of cut-scenes. So, cut-scenes alone are going to take a HUGE portion of the disc. Combine that with the likely very long game itself, and I'd say that is worth all the space they are using.

[Xero]

Okay, yeah, that's quite a bit.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Requiem It was revealed that the game will have a total of 9 hours worth of cut-scenes. So, cut-scenes alone are going to take a HUGE portion of the disc. Combine that with the likely very long game itself, and I'd say that is worth all the space they are using.

Concerning that, it looks like that was proven false already:

UPDATE: 90-minute cinemas in Metal Gear Solid 4? Not so fast by Jack Loftus | 05/23/2008 | 4:04:40 PM PST print comments [ 187 ] digg this! Share on Facebook New reports claim Metal Gear Solid 4 has 90-minute cutscenes and a 4.6 GB install size. The trouble is, at least one of these rumors is false. Maybe I should have brought a clock... From CVG today comes a pretty wild rumor about Metal Gear Solid 4: the final title in the Solid Snake series will feature rather lengthy cutscenes. How lengthy? Try 90 minutes. And that's not 90-minutes in total, that's a 90-minute cutscene. Trouble is, the claim isn't accurate. Will MSG4 have lengthy cutscenes? Yes, says GamePro's own Sid Shuman, but nowhere near 90 minutes. "I've completed the game twice, and am the author of the forthcoming [GamePro] review," Shuman said. "Ninety-minute-long cinemas in MGS4 sounds like an exaggeration. Like the other MGS games, MGS4 definitely has a cinematic quality. And yes, some of the cut-scenes in the game are elaborate and occasionally lengthy. But not a one, to my recollection, even approaches 90 minutes." "I think it's safe to say that the '90 minute cinemas' claim is a pretty big exaggeration," he told GamePro News. Unknown at this time is whether or not the cutscenes, 90-minutes or otherwise, are skippable. UPDATE@1:15 EST: Cut scenes are skippable, and can also be paused. That said, there's one more rumor out there today that looks to have some weight to it. A purported pic of a MGS4 display case revealed that the game could come with an oft-maligned PS3 mandatory install. In this case, it appears to be about 4.6GB. GamePro will update as we learn more.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney Lost Oddeysey is 4 discs As for the bundle, you're right. The one you're talking about though does have 2 controllers. One Dualshock, one SIXAXIS.

I'm highly confused now. The one I'm talking about is this one:

MGS4 Bundle Announced Anticipated game to be packaged with 80GB PS3 and DualShock 3. by Jeff Haynes February 26, 2008 - For months, Metal Gear Solid fans have eagerly been looking forward to a release date of the upcoming title from Kojima Productions, Metal Gear Solid 4. Since its delay last fall, the only thing fans have known is that the game is expected to be released later this year. Earlier today at Destination PlayStation, a retailers only conference for Sony products, Sony announced that a Metal Gear Solid 4 bundle pack will be released in Q2 2008. The bundle will include MGS4, an 80GB PS3 and a Dual Shock 3 included for an MSRP of $499.99. It will also include an Metal Gear Online "Starter Pack. For players that pre-order Metal Gear Solid 4, there's an added bonus: they'll be guaranteed access in the multiplayer beta of Metal Gear Online in late April. Bundle of Snake "Working closely with our retail and publishing partners and sharing our hardware and software roadmaps at Destination PlayStation gives us a great opportunity to outline some key milestones for the year. In response to incredible demand, we will be manufacturing more 80GB PS3s for North America and the Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots 80GB PS3 bundle is an ideal way to offer that continued value to our consumers," said Jack Tretton, president and CEO of SCEA. "With Blu-ray having won the format war, our stellar software line-up and a broad product portfolio, we will continue to drive the incredible momentum we've been generating since last fall."

There is only one controller advertised there (unless there was an update to that one I haven't been aware of to this version of the package).

There was another one that was touted on Konami's website that was gun-metal color and was worth about a hundred more than the one I was referring to.

Keep in mind NONE of these had a Sixaxis-only controller (which is what I'm assuming you mean). The DS3 has Sixaxis functionality, but Sony discontinued further development of the Sixaxis-only controller when they launched the DS3. There's no bundle of any kind for MGS4 that has a Sixaxis-only controller based on that last point.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Oh yeah, it was a JAP bundle that had one DS3 and one SIXAXIS

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/02/sa...les-announced/

[Rammsteinmad]

Looks sick! Gotta say I'm behind on my video games though. I only just got MGS2 a few months ago and haven't come round to playing it yet.

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Just posting this because it's awesome. From when MGS4 was first announced.

[Kane Knight]

LOL. 4.6 GB Install? Has this been shot down yet?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Hasn't been shot down yet. Could very well be true. A lot of games, unfortunately, do have installs. I don't mind it right now, but if I had enough games that did, it'd get to be a pain in the ass. I'm waiting for the day when I have to uninstall the game when I'm done so I can play something else (the install doesn't house the saved game, so uninstalling it wouldn't cause you to lose saves.)

I understand why they do it, but I still wish they were optional.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight LOL. 4.6 GB Install? Has this been shot down yet?

No. It's on the back of the box and everything.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? Hasn't been shot down yet. Could very well be true. A lot of games, unfortunately, do have installs. I don't mind it right now, but if I had enough games that did, it'd get to be a pain in the ass. I'm waiting for the day when I have to uninstall the game when I'm done so I can play something else (the install doesn't house the saved game, so uninstalling it wouldn't cause you to lose saves.) I understand why they do it, but I still wish they were optional.

I know other games do it, it's just that we're talking a HUGE install here, and a mandatory one at that.

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney No. It's on the back of the box and everything.

Saw the box shot, was hoping it was fake, or maybe just wrong. Guess not.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

DMC4 had an install that was pretty much the exact same size.
Hell, that fricking thing took forever to install. Maybe it was worth it, maybe it wasn't? It's nice to have next to no loading, but still, they should really be optional.

Then again, when you have a cutscene as long as a movie....

[darkpower]

The install thing is true (this shouldn't be that bad. GTA4 had an install on the PS3 too, and it only took 5 mins. tops. The DMC4 thing was ridiculous, as I don't see how the 20 minutes was really necessary). Most games that have these installs don't take that long. I wouldn't read too much into that (the 360 fanboys are going ape shit about the PS3 installs on ANY game on N4G as if it is THAT huge of a deal, too, even though some of their games, including GTA4, have an option to install the game on the hard drive that's in THEIR consoles, too).

The movie length, according to Gamepro...completely false. Check above for their story on that. Seeing as how I've trusted GP with alot of game news (they are usually VERY on the mark), why that rumor hasn't been considered killed yet by any other video game media outlet is beyond me.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? DMC4 had an install that was pretty much the exact same size. Hell, that fricking thing took forever to install. Maybe it was worth it, maybe it wasn't? It's nice to have next to no loading, but still, they should really be optional. Then again, when you have a cutscene as long as a movie....

It wasn't worth it to those of us with 360s, that's for sure. I'll take the version with no mandatory install. I can live with 1 second load times.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by darkpower (the 360 fanboys are going ape shit about the PS3 installs on ANY game on N4G as if it is THAT huge of a deal, too, even though some of their games, including GTA4, have an option to install the game on the hard drive that's in THEIR consoles, too).

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Dude, you're a total fanboy. Don't go whining about others.

Also, there's a completely different issue at hand between optional installs and mandatory installs. But while we're on the subject, where exactly is the GTA4 install option on the 360?

[Sepholio]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Dude, you're a total fanboy. Don't go whining about others. Also, there's a completely different issue at hand between optional installs and mandatory installs. But while we're on the subject, where exactly is the GTA4 install option on the 360?

I wonder why installs on the 360 are optional? Could it be because *gasp* the hard drive itself is optional? If all 360's had hard drives you could gaurantee some of the games for that system would have mandatory installs; having them now would completely alienate some of the systems audience from playing games that forced an install.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Seph I wonder why installs on the 360 are optional? Could it be because *gasp* the hard drive itself is optional? If all 360's had hard drives you could gaurantee some of the games for that system would have mandatory installs; having them now would completely alienate some of the systems audience from playing games that forced an install.

I don't even know of a game where there is an optional install, but I haven't played all the games out there, and I have minimal interest in a lot of the "big titles."

However comma, before anything else is said, let's get something straight: The main reason the PS3 has mandatory HDD installs is because they put a 1X BDROM drive in it.End of story. The load times, comparably, would be ridiculous.

As for the rest....I dunno why it's even an issue. Sounds like you're getting butthurt because someone is pointing out a flaw in a system you're emotionally invested in. But ignoring your pissy defense of the PS3 for a stupid problem primarily due to shortsightedness, I have a serious question.

Did the original XBox with its HDD have a lot of games with a mandatory install?

If yes, I apologise, but if not, shut up.

Beyond that, would it be particularly hard to release "HDD required" games for the 360? It's not even unprecedented, so they could easily do it.

[jcmoorehead]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Beyond that, would it be particularly hard to release "HDD required" games for the 360? It's not even unprecedented, so they could easily do it.

This guy speaks the truth, the only reason Microsoft won't do it is because the HDD doesnt come with every 360 so they don't want some people to miss out on certain titles because of this. I personally feel it's a mistake because most people with 360s get or have the HDD anyway, it's only a very tiny minority that don't.

There is only one game I can think of on the 360 which has a mandatory install and that is Final Fantasy 11 but that's expected because it's an MMORPG.

As for MGS4, I do really want to play it as I believe I've mentioned but I won't buy a PS3 for it. Especially considering I really couldn't get into MGS3 so it would be quite likely the same thing would happen here.

[Kane Knight]

If anything, HDD mandatory games would sell HDDs. I don't think they're really necessary, though. The worst load times I've seen are on GTA4, and they pale compared to what it takes to pull data off a BD ROM at 1X.

I hate load times, and I always will, but a few seconds difference is not worth a 30+ minute install. Especially when most games do not have the load time issues cross platform that GTA does. I'm yet to see a serious loading issue aside from the single game. No, I take that back. There's Mass Effect, but that has a lot to do with the way that programmed the game.

I've got to say, in some cases, I probably would opt for an install. Opt. Doesn't mean I like being told I have to. But that aside, an HDD install with the 360 would have to be faster, unless we're talking ten discs of data (Which is unlikely and unfeasible, given the tsandard HDD size). You know, because the 360 has a drive which is fast relative to the size of it. The reason it's not necessary in the first place.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Did the original XBox with its HDD have a lot of games with a mandatory install?.

It had 0.

The average user will eventually get pissed off. If a lot of these games came around, some people would have 9 games max to keep installed.

I don't often play PC games because of all that HD install bullshit, thats why my games are on consoles.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney It had 0. The average user will eventually get pissed off. If a lot of these games came around, some people would have 9 games max to keep installed. I don't often play PC games because of all that HD install bullshit, thats why my games are on consoles.

At least with PC games, you can get an extra HDD and let it run in tandem.

Anyway, I didn't want to speak without knowing for sure, but if the XBox didn't have mandatory installs, it's ludacrous to say that it would happen if the HDD was standard on the 360.

And yeah, the average user will get bothered if more of these games start coming out, especially if they have the smaller drives. Mine's an 80 GB model, so I certainly can do a bunch of these games, but only if I don't mind limiting everything else. Sure, I can uninstall them after I'm done, but a lot of my games I like to pick up and play. And I can do that on the 360.

[Requiem]

lol at complaining about installing games on a PC

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Dude, you're a total fanboy. Don't go whining about others.

That's what a few people on N4G have said to me, too. Unfortunately for them, they failed to acknowledge that I own a Wii, as well, and I enjoy playing that, as well. There aren't too many games I want to play that are only on the 360 right now (Fable 2 and maybe Halo 3, the latter I heard was very over hyped), even though I won't mind getting one sometime soon.

But where I was getting at is that the people on N4G are EXTREMELY bad and will bitch about ANYTHING they can, and turn a minor thing into a major deal. It's troublesome when a fanboy and his legions go about approving a news story that is just propaganda for the system they want you to like (one even had a headline that said "GTA4 DLC - Is it worth trading your PS3 over?", submitted (and original headline changed by) someone who everyone knows is a lunatic 360 fanboy. The question that that headline referred to was never in the actual article). Trust me, you haven't seen fanboy until you see THOSE people. Reading how some people never listen to anything except what they wish to hear, you will want to be a fanboy just to spite these fanboys. Thankfully, most on N4G are intelligent and can call fanboys on their BS right away, and make good arguments about things.

Compared to THOSE fuckers, I'm tame (at least I'm hoping).

[Kalyx triaD]

Link me to these people.

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD Link me to these people.

http://www.n4g.com/up/22082.aspx ("Bloodmask". He's the one that submitted the news story I described the way it was submitted. He also submitted at least one Shane Kim interview a day for a few weeks straight, nothing new coming out of any of them).

http://www.n4g.com/up/29216.aspx ("Breakfast")

http://www.n4g.com/up/20858.aspx ("Bladestar". Yes, that IS his avatar. He usually has no idea where LOGIC comes from).

http://www.n4g.com/up/25869.aspx ("InYourMom". I think he left the site now, but he was one of the VERY bad ones).

http://www.n4g.com/up/14781.aspx ("Sleepbox". One of those people that seems to find a way to bring an anti-Sony argument into every article he comments on, even in those that have nothing to do with ANY system war. Usually gets his facts wrong.).

http://www.n4g.com/up/2994.aspx ("Power of Green". One of the THE worst of them. If you pay attention on the site, he seems to have more than one account on there. I bet 3/4ths of these people are actually his socks (because people keep putting him on ignore). Another one who likes to boil EVERYTHING down to 360 vs. PS3.).

http://www.n4g.com/up/17934.aspx ("Wageslave". Has this habit of announcing (unsure if he really does it or not) of reporting ANYTHING he doesn't like in other comments as spam. Even the littlest bit that he thinks he has a valid point for his "report" about. Sleepbox also does this on occasion. Slave is one that hasn't been too active in a while).

http://www.n4g.com/up/17420.aspx ("tordavis". This is the guy I've had a feud with for some time now on the site. This is that Bitbag guy (you know, the guy who posted that stuff about GTA4 that got a bunch of attention?). I posted several rebuttles about his reporting and he went about making his site look like crap in return by trying to battle me, basically unraveling several stories of how the reporting of the blogger breakfast actually went down (isn't the only thing he couldn't get his facts right on) and what they actually said about anything. Tends to play the 360-fanboy who acts like he's not).

http://www.n4g.com/up/30026.aspx ("TurdStationPee". Nuff said.)


Sad thing about this is that the majority of these people post in the "Gamer Zone" of the comment section, where immature fanboyism and name calling is strictly prohibited (there is the "Open Zone" where such is allowed).

There is PS3 fanboys on the site that don't have much of a clue, either. It's just right now, it's the 360 fanboys on that site that have much of the floor and seem to be more uncaring of the rules of the site, not to mention there more well known sitewise, so I listed them.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by darkpower That's what a few people on N4G have said to me, too. Unfortunately for them, they failed to acknowledge that I own a Wii, as well, and I enjoy playing that, as well.

That really doesn't change anything. Well, not in and of itself. The fact is, you bought Sony systems on blind faith ("they can't suck FOREVER!" To paraphrase), you rabidly defend one system and you attack another. I have no idea what N4G is, but the thing is, they might not be as unobservant as you think.

I dunno. I don't care to follow the links to that forum. I don't want to find out, because I fear that if you are right, if they're worse than you, it may damage me irreparably.

People say stupid things. Most of us ignore them or laugh at them. You "feud" with them and defend a corporation and a device, even when they're in the wrong. Really, mandatory installs and a slow drive are bad moves and show off a glaring weakness in the system, and it's not just fanboys going off about it. You seem to feel obligated, however, to defend the system's honor or some shit.

I'll probably get MGS4 for the PS3, rather than wait for the 360 version, which is inevitable. I will probably be fine with the install, because right now, it will be the only such game and I can manage that. I will probably enjoy the game, but that does not mean I accept the install concept in any way besides "begrudgingly." And even then, I will buy all concurrent releases for the 360, unless there are MAJOR differences. Not so much because I'm a fanboy (Last generation, my main console was the PS2. This, it's the 360. Next, it'll be whichever gets the most games that are worth a fuck), it's because I can play them without turning over large chunks of my HDD to them.

Not to mention, you seem to be lying. Where is that GTA4 install on the 360? Where are the other installs the fanboys are okay with?

Most people probably wouldn't even care if they were option, TBH. But consoles are pick up and play. We shouldn't have to install shit any more than we should have to tweak our graphics cards or memory.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Fanboys are annoying as hell. God forbid people have different tastes. I own a PS3, and I don't want a 360. I'm not biased against it, PS3 just has more games I'm interested in. The games I want that are multi-platform aren't significantly different enough to warrant me buying a 360 either. I don't blindly bash the system though. Nor do I blindly support the PS3. Mandatory installs blow. I'm fine with optional installs, hell, I love them, but don't tell me I have to install something, or I can't play the game.

I love fanboys when it comes to reviews too. If a game they don't like gets a good review, the magazine/source was bribed. If it gets a bad review, it's 100% accurate. If a game they do like gets a good review, it's 100% accurate, but if it gets a bad review, they were bribed... Fucking hypocrites, the whole lot of them.

[Redeemer]

Why the fuck has this been made into such a big issue? It'll take 5 mins to install, in which time you can look at the manual, get yourself a drink or make a sandwich. Then play the fuck out of this bad boy! It's not like every game has a mandatory install, and of the games that do the installs aren't anywhere near as big as this one. It's a non-issue.
And why does everything have to be a fanboy war? 360 owners are nitpicking the tiniest irrelevant details about this game because they cant have it. Vice versa when 360 had games like Mass Effect coming out and PS3 owners couldnt have them. Who gives a shit. If you own a system then enjoy it and dont criticise the other for no reason. It's fucking stupid.
For the record, I own a 360 and a PS3. My 360 has been played alot more due to owning it longer and more games, but with MGS4 coming out i doubt it will even get turned on for at least a month now. Going to be a hell of a game! Come xmas period i am going to be swamped with games for both

Stupid fanboy bullshit aside now.

I've never been so pumped for a game before. MGS3 was my fav game of the last gen of consoles. The story was fantastic, the gameplay was intense and varied, and the ending was the best ever in a game IMO. Made me watery eyed it did :S
I cant wait to become engrossed in the MGS world once more, and see how the story ends. I cant wait to play Metal Gear Online and probably get owned by some crazy Japs. I cant wait for those quirky bits of humor. Still lol at slipping over on birdpoo in MGS2, and the easter egg of a guard pissing on your face. Switch into first person cam for that!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I <3 MGS, but i can't justify buying a console just for that. I wanted Haze too as I'm a massive Timesplitters fan, but they fucked that up. I sold my free PS3 as I believed with the console not selling very well, both games would be ported to 360. I still think Haze will, but who gives a fuck now, really?

I've not played MGS3 yet. My little brother had a PS2 at my parents house and someone in this shared house owned one which he kept downstairs, so I never got a chance to play it and didn't want a PS2 of my own as I played all the games I wanted to (bar that) and newer games like Persona 3 are more than playable on PCSX2.

Roll on PCSX2 development so I can play MGS3 or roll on massive PS3 price drop. Even when I have one, I will bitch about installs. I'm an impatient fuck and I even bitched about my housemates HD Loader for PS2, even though it allowed me to play free games, it still pissed me right off and I kept telling him to get a modchip :P

I hope you're right about 5 minutes, because by all accounts the DMC4 install was a fucking joke...

[Kane Knight]

LOL @ 5 minutes to install. Yup.

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? Fanboys are annoying as hell. God forbid people have different tastes.

Or make an informed decision, or don't praise everything about a system.

I'm an Xbox fanboy because I think the PS3 lacks games and things like the HDD installs are dumb. I'm a Nintendo fanboy simply because I own it and am not embarrassed to say it. I'm a Sony fanboy because I think Microsoft's DRM is retarded, they're assholes for releasing a system with known defects, and I don't like Bioshock.

Of course, I generally get called a fanboy by rabid, irrational fans who get pissed if you think there's a flaw in their system. People invest a lot of money into consoles. American buying power is down, and the cost of consoles is up. So now more than ever, people want to feel their choice was right, and that creates insane brand loyalty. Not only do you have to be right, but anyone who questions that has to be wrong.

I dunno. I don't have a problem with people who enjoy their systems. I bought a 360 because it had a shitload of games I wanted, and looked to be the PS2 of this generation (Actually, the PS2 is still the PS2 of this generation, but....). It is. I bought the Wii because it looked like it had a shitload of potential and some great games in the pipe. It hasn't used that potential in my estimation, so I feel a bit let down, but not completely. Super Mario Galaxy is great, I have some WiiWare and Retro titles, and a couple of games I can't remember right now. Oh, and Wii Sports is still awesome. And the PS3? I bought it because I wanted a few of the titles and a Blu Ray player. It's primarily a movie player for me, but it's got a few titles I like. I'm not disappointed, but neither am I overly thrilled with the game side of it.

So yeah. If you like it, if you're fine with it, that is indeed great. If you have to reinforce your choices, then you're an asshat.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney I <3 MGS, but i can't justify buying a console just for that. I wanted Haze too as I'm a massive Timesplitters fan, but they fucked that up. I sold my free PS3 as I believed with the console not selling very well, both games would be ported to 360. I still think Haze will, but who gives a fuck now, really? I've not played MGS3 yet. My little brother had a PS2 at my parents house and someone in this shared house owned one which he kept downstairs, so I never got a chance to play it and didn't want a PS2 of my own as I played all the games I wanted to (bar that) and newer games like Persona 3 are more than playable on PCSX2. Roll on PCSX2 development so I can play MGS3 or roll on massive PS3 price drop. Even when I have one, I will bitch about installs. I'm an impatient fuck and I even bitched about my housemates HD Loader for PS2, even though it allowed me to play free games, it still pissed me right off and I kept telling him to get a modchip :P I hope you're right about 5 minutes, because by all accounts the DMC4 install was a fucking joke...

Fuck Haze, they're making Timesplitters 4

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney I hope you're right about 5 minutes, because by all accounts the DMC4 install was a fucking joke...

Well think about it. If the install on DMC was a fucking joke, and the install size on this one is similar, why would this one be five minutes?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Well think about it. If the install on DMC was a fucking joke, and the install size on this one is similar, why would this one be five minutes?

Less compression, files not being all over the disc? It's possible that DMC4 just wasn't optimised. Possible, but not likely.